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Kill Your Boyfriend "Invisibles" Team

 
  

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PatrickMM
19:55 / 02.04.03
Read Kill Your Boyfriend for the first time yesterday, and I was extremely impressed. The first section perfectly portrayed the boredom of going to school, and sort of following the code. I'm in high school now, and I know people who are exactly like Paul (I think that was his name, her boyfriend) in that they only care about what college they get to, and don't really recognize how they're just following the set path, and doing exactly what people want them to do.

That stuff was great, and the latter part was fun too. It wasn't The Invisibles, but it was better than most of the corporate superhero stuff Morrison's done. And, the Philip Bond artwork was great.

That said, the element about the book I couldn't quite figure out was what exactly was Morrison trying to do with the team of bizarro Invisibles. It may be coincidence, but there was a character who looked exactly like John a Dreams, and another one who could have passed for King Mob except for a little bit of hair. Also, at the time, the main character looked just like Fanny, and had even mentioned feeling like a transvestite a couple of pages earlier. Plus, all the rhetoric about creative destruction and such seemed to be right from Invis. And, seeing how it was early in the run, the grenade from the book was one of the major images from The Invisibles at the time.

Has Morrison ever commented on whether those characters were meant to be a direct comment on The Invisibles? According to the back of the book, Invis was at issue 9 at the time, which would mean that the characters weren't as fully developed as they later would be. If it was written today, I would say that they were a comment on fans of Invis, who use the rhetoric from the book, and claim to be revolutionary, but never actually do anything. However, at the time, I don't think the book had really made a major impact yet.

Any theories?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:50 / 02.04.03
They were a joke.

He was goofing on pretentious arty people who front like they are revolutionaries but never actually do anything.

He may be making fun of you.

Kill Yr Boyfriend is a satirical comedy.
 
 
PatrickMM
22:18 / 02.04.03
He was goofing on pretentious arty people who front like they are revolutionaries but never actually do anything.

I defenitely got that, it was just the fact that they looked extremely similar to The Invisibles that I'm wondering about. As for the characters themselves, I've seen people like that. They were great, the whole book was great.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:42 / 02.04.03
Maybe in some ways the Invisibles were jokes too.

I really don't think King Mob is meant to be taken seriously.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
08:57 / 03.04.03
And wasn't KYB written years before Invisibles? Counterparts is your intepretation. In the back fo my copy he says they're based on 'The Double Deckers', which I presume is the sort of kids TV show that only TV Cream remembers.
 
 
Bear
09:04 / 03.04.03
Make that TV Cream and me - Double Deckers was cool
 
 
Sax
10:17 / 03.04.03
Me too. Melvyn Hayes, a bus full of kids, and Brinsley Ford from Aswad.

Sound that horn.... ring that bell...

See you next weeeeeeeek!
 
 
The Natural Way
11:10 / 03.04.03
It's not that you CAN'T take Mob or KYB seriously, it's just that yr not ALWAYS supposed to. Sometimes the silliness HAS to slip through. Jackie was never very impressed by all of Gideon's schoolboy "shoot the teachers!" bollocks.

Grant likes to flagellate himself now and then.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:56 / 03.04.03
Well, first up, I guess I should lay my cards on the table and issue the disclaimer that I think Kill Your Boyfriend is the best thing Grant Morrison's ever done, and might be my favourite work in comics Of All Time. It's the economy - and the subtlety of some of the characters/ideas compared to some of Morrison's other work - that really makes it for me. It's flawless, which however much I like The Invisibles is not something I'd claim for that title...

Worth noting: the Boyfriend of the title is someone who thinks he's smarter than the average - he reads fantasy novels, and offers half-assed justifications ("she's a strong female role-model - she has a big sword!"); he enjoys arguing with the Christian Union, whom he sees as stupid and herd-like... In many ways, he's a caricature of a large number of Grant Morrison fans and also, I'd argue, a scathing projection of some of the attributes of the author himself.

On the opposite end of the spectrum you have the Boy. He's an amoral, pitiless killer, he's into vandalism, theft, drugs-as-hedonism... He's sexy and cool as fuck, but in an entirely terrifying way. Sounds really appealing as a fiction, but you'd hate to meet him in real life, just like his mythic inspiration, Dionysus.

Somewhere in the middle, you have the people on the Bus. And somewhere between them and the Boy, you have the Girl. Shit, I have some notes on this somewhere - will come back when I've found them.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:23 / 03.04.03
I have been trying to find a copy of this to add to my collection here in NYC, and haven't been able to find it anywhere. Anyone know of a store in NY that has a copy or two to sell?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:36 / 03.04.03
I don't know of any shops in NYC that have it, but I haven't been looking. I bought my copy when it first came out, and it's still holding together after numerous re-readings and being lent out to friends.

It's one of my favorite comics ever too, and I would say that it easily the best thing Grant Morrison has ever done. One of my Ultimate Dreams would be to make a film adaptation of Kill Yr Boyfriend, actually.
 
 
The Natural Way
15:20 / 03.04.03
Not my favourite (Zenith will ALWAYS be my favourite), but up there with the best.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
15:56 / 03.04.03
One of my Ultimate Dreams would be to make a film adaptation of Kill Yr Boyfriend, actually

how would this, in film practice turn out too much different from all the girl+boy killers on the loose like true romance, nbk, etc etc? what would be the core piece or original material, rather than the specific surface originalities?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:06 / 03.04.03
Well, for one, I think the tone is very very very different from Natural Born Killers. The sense of humor is just completely different. I'd play it as a comedy first and foremost.

There's really not much violence in it, aside from the murder of Paul.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:09 / 03.04.03
Also, my desire to adapt it to film has more to do with wanting to tell the story to a larger audience of people than the comic has had. I would want to play it as straight as possible, I wouldn't want to make very many changes. It wouldn't be about trying to improve on the comic so much as adapting it.
 
 
bjacques
16:42 / 03.04.03
I think the afterword pretty much spells it out. He was influenced by Badlands (1973, dir. Terrence Malick), with Martin Sheen and Sissy Spacek, which was based on the real-life 1950s Tri-State Kill Spree of Charley Starkweather and his 13-year-old girlfriend Caril Ann Fugate. Starkweather saw himself as James Dean, who played rebels and misunderstood kids.

The Situationists tried to use various criminals as vehicles for theory, and so did Oliver Stone, but Morrison beat him to it, just.
 
 
moriarty
16:57 / 03.04.03
There was an afterword? Was that in the reprint?

I'd like to add my voice to all those who prefer Kill Your Boyfriend to most of Morrison's work. I would probably start buying work by him if he would knock out more single volume stories.
 
 
Undecided
20:03 / 03.04.03
KYB was released during the run of The Invisibles, BTW. Early into the first volume, but still technically during.

And I believe that the reprint edition is still available via Diamond's (or, for those not in the know, Diamond's periodical mouthpiece, Previews) Star System. At cover price, even. Ask your local direct market retailer for details.

Have not read this piece in many years. Must revisit.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
06:22 / 04.04.03
Moriarty: the afterword is in the 'graphic novel' version of KYB, not the original. It contains the fantastic line "Philip Bond should do more stuff like this. So should I." - yes, yes, you should, Grant, come on then!
 
 
rizla mission
08:24 / 04.04.03
I think I'll enthusiastically agree with those who've said Kill Your Boyfriend is about the best thing Grant Morrison's put his name to (which is of course saying quite a lot).

Everyone's always labeling every piece of vaguely rebellious pop record, movie etc. that comes along as being 'subversive' and so on, but KYB is one of the few short, accessible, cool-as-fuck, pop-orientated things that genuinely is..

It's like a perfect bomb made out of fun, coolness, shock tactics, thought provocation, challenges & questions, satire and anarchic craziness.

And as such it should be airdropped over school playgrounds.


Regarding the influence of Badlands (which is an extraordinary film, in case you didn't know) on KYB - I'm a little dubious. For a start, Grant gets the name wrong in the afterword, calling it 'Heartlands', and also the fact that in many ways the approach the film takes to the subject matter (which I won't go into here cos this is the comics forum and I'd probably carry on all day - I like Badlands rather a lot) is the direct opposite of the message expressed in the comic. This suggests to be that Badlands was more of a vague reference point in regards to storyline than a heavy, direct influence..
 
 
Krug
00:24 / 06.04.03
KYB is the funniest thing Morrison has written. The plot sounds contrived in theory but it's really awesome how they decide to kill her boyfriend. The revolutionaries were great characters. I think Morrison writes the best self-contained short works in comics.
The Weird War Tales short was great.
"St Swithin's Day" (My favourite Morrison comic) is another example.
DC Vertigo should really do a collection of his short stories.
 
 
BeerMoose
06:16 / 06.04.03

If someone was to toss a napalm bomb into my bedroom window tonight, the first thing I would reach for on the way out would be my copy of KYB. Even if it was sitting next to the asbestos jacket and under thirty cans of kerosene.

If you were to eat it, it would taste like adrenaline cut with nitroglycerin. If you were to play it on electric guitar, it would make punk rockers tear their hair and weep. If you were to purify it into liquid form and inject it into your toes, you would never walk in a straight line again.

If I was to open a bookstore, I would rip out the insides of every news magazine, self help book, and calender with cute puppies on the cover and staple this comic to the spine.

That is all.
 
 
rizla mission
09:00 / 06.04.03
amen to that.
 
 
arcboi
11:29 / 06.04.03
Fighting against the tide here, I have to say that I was very disappointed with KYB which I felt was the comic strip that Deadline forgot: a whimsical 15 minute read with Philip Bond artwork. In fact, when I heard that Bond was going to be drawing The Invisibles I was aghast because I was unable to think of him drawing anything outside of the Deadline stuff (despite those misgivings, I was happily disappointed in the end).

Personally, I found St Swithins Day to be far superior to KYB. Also, I think GM's take on The Double Deckers was a great idea in concept, but didn't really work for me on the page. You can't beat the real thing for being pop culture fun - and also having very strange Invisibles-like aspects to it. Check out www.thedoubledeckers.com and learn about the Double Deckers being a viral memeplex!
 
 
Krug
03:42 / 07.04.03
Your post would make an great blurb for the book Beermoose.

And I wouldn't compare the two if I were you arcboi. St Swithin's Day kicks the shit out of most good comics. Comics very own Catcher in the Rye it is. With a better ending.
 
 
A
04:31 / 07.04.03
I'd say that St. Swithin's Day is probably the best standard-length single-issue comic ever.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
19:08 / 07.04.03
yeah arboi, my feelings too. nicely put.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:25 / 08.04.03
Love them both, but, y'know,Zenith. Again.
 
 
PatrickMM
20:06 / 20.09.03
I just reread the book yesterday (still great, probably even better than the first time), but I picked up on something I think I missed the first time. Was the guy her brother? He has a series of stamps that were sent with him to the orphanage, and the mother mentions shipping off her baby, which leads to the conclusion that they are actually siblings, which lends a whole other level to the two characters' relationship. Can someone confirm this?
 
 
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20:25 / 20.09.03
"Kill Your Boyfriend" is the only GM thing I've read besides "The Invisibles" and "The Filth" and I really liked it (felt kinda bad for paul though, he reminded me of one of my Australian friends).

That guy with the white hair was hot...what's his name? Cleverly? Esp. that pic of him holding the grenade at the bottom of the first page he appears on (yeah yeah he looks like a Warhol youth i don't care).
 
 
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20:27 / 20.09.03
I kinda liked that guy who always wore the gas mask too... maybe GM should do a spin-off of the revolutionaries. I loved how the bus was #23.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:50 / 17.04.04
Actually, Styx - the guy (?) in the gasmask - reminds me of Dummy, the sentient gas. Just an offhand thought.

Badlands was a pretty good movie, actually. Sissy Spacek creeps me out (in a sense, I still only like her in "Carrie"), so I tend to think that the Girl is a more compelling character; while she goes along with whatever happens at the moment - right down to the lines about being absolved of all guilt, because she's just playing out the Boy's fantasy - she still gives off this sense of WAKING UP from the coma everybody else seemed to be stuck in. I suppose Spacek's character was reacting to events passively because she might have been in shock from her father getting murdered, but I never really jived with.

That said, Martin Sheen is extremely compelling in it.

(But, before Threadrot descends)...

Re-read KYB this weekend, actually, after I came across this thread. Loved it more. I'm curious how much of the visuals are directly from the script; things like Billy's Action Girl tattoo (she's a bit of a Jolly Roger/King Mob proto-girl) or the Boy's matching Boba Fett (?!) tattoo "Pour L'Homme" (ironic considering he's mid-coitus with Fudge) were worth a giggle.

And I'm a sucker for the fourth wall breaking. And just the fact that the Girl says fuck it and isn't punished for breaking with the establishment; instead, she gets "absorbed" back into it but never quite goes with the flow. Morrison NEEDS to do more short story comics.
 
 
dirty toes
17:09 / 19.04.04
gosh, i've spent the last day reading the comics section and wondering why i've never read any grant morrison comics... and now it turns out i have. not for a while though- i read it very quickly and i don't remember being overly impressed, probably because of the cognitive dissonance caused by it not being wired world, as others have mentioned. but ive got it downstairs, because it always looked so very groovy-shouty-riot girl on my bookshelf, a book called kill your boyfriend. so i am now inspired to dig it out and reread it, because i feel as i cannot be a proper member of the barbelith until i have read something by grant morrison, and now i don't have to make any effort whatsoever to do so bar going to my bookshelf. also, i feel about 75% cooler and more-in-the-know than i did 20 minutes ago, even if that increase in my coolness is based on an accidental purchase i made 6 years ago, when i was actually cool.
 
 
akira
09:38 / 20.04.04
---SPOILERS---



Did anyone notice the poster of GM with long hair on the wall next to the girls bed. Setting himself up as as sex god or what? She fucks her brother and worships GM!
 
 
Baz Auckland
05:42 / 23.04.04
Kill Your Boyfriend is still one of my favourites, if only for the memories of being 16, hating high-school, and getting a wonderful feeling of rebellion from reading it...

On the subject of KYB-Invisibles characters, the schoolteacher's name in KYB is Mr. Rossiter...
 
  

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