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I think. Ideally, I think that punk should make people feel a sense of "I could do this. I'm a big weirdo, and I don't fit into any (musical) stereotypes, but I can go up there and be myself and do it."
My emphasis in quoting flux as punk was much more than not being able to fit into musical stereotypes, it was a wholesale attack on/rejection of stereotypes/cultures/lifestyles in culture in general. that's why the influence of punk stretches way beyonhd stylistically similar/invested scenes.
But my mention of Riot Grrl and Queer/Homocore fits perfectly with yr definition. they were *all about* this and often very punk in soound. And had alot more invested in it than alot of the original punk bands... due to seriously compromised/rstricted/dangerous lives due to gender/sexuality
Bikini Kill were a bunch of women personifying yr quote, basically. Specifically, as the Slits were, an 'I can go up there, by myself, a woman punk muso in a male scene, and do it on my terms' thing. Ditto Huggy Bear, L7. (quel surprise, only very derisory coverage in the Inkies, on this side of the Atlantic, anyways)
Sister George, another grand example of the inclusivity/invitation 'get up and do it, we're not stars' vibe and 'we hate the scene that bred us'/we critique where we came from' stuff...a fucking wonder *swoooon*.
And very Slits-ish, musically, at times- in that they were a musical/class/race/gender product of where they came from, while very capable of having a great time. V bouncy, and very much a product of their east end/london roots...Mixed race/generation, mixed sex, mixed sexuality, music that was a product of all of this. (surprise, almost no mainstream coverage ever. and v.equivocal pinkpress mentions. they pissed people off.)
Mind you, Im not terribly surprised, as these scenes, which were very active in the early/mid 80s on both sides of the atlantic (excuse my refs being more uk-based, they were hard to find out about) were utterly ignored by the 'mainstream' indie press as the didn't fit in, and were a little too 'outsider' for people to be interested/appreciative.
And yeah, there's resentment in here, as I remember UK inkie coverage of these bands, when I was still very influenced by the NME/MM telling me essentially that it was crap as it was all over emotional/too political/tuneless/screaming/can't play their instruments women.
This last being the big problem, as men who screamed about their angst, out of tune, with basic chords were all the rage just then...
Which was/is a v.personal thing of where i started to diverge from/ to question all this stuff...
discovering patriarchy/mysogyny in music journos then was no great trick...
And also hence my use of the word 'influence' rather than the phrase 'sounds like'...
And to answer fly's qu I don't neccessarily want my favourite bands to spawn lots of identical sounding bands, they're very rarely going to be as good(they won't be a surprise for a start and will have adapted their version of a deeply personal stance evolved from specificity(of band members, place, time, nationality, race, influences etc)) , but to impart their attitude/broader style in such a fashion that people extend and can mess with it...
how about blondie? pop, smiley, smidges of punk and reggae/calypso, girl-fronted/identified...
Elastica - female post-punk bouncy pop sound, lots of attitude?
Can I have people like Peaches, Miss Kittin, Smokin' Jo on the merging soundstyles, having fun, being female and getting up there and doing it tip? The late, very much lamented Kemistry, and Storm? Lil kim? Depends very much what you think the Slits were as to where you see their influence.
Erase errata sound fun, someone tell me about them.
'the best book about music and pop culture'. off the top of my head:
Time Travel-also John Savage, Seduced and Abandoned-Richard Smith, Feminism and Youth Cultures(I think) - Angela McRobbie, Altered States - Matthew Colin, Manchester, England - Dave Haslam, (if we include tv- the rhythmn divine-Smith/Savage/Sheryl Garrat. There was meant to be a book of this, which was pulled. arse.). oh and there's an amazing book about dub/reggae dancehall which i've lent out and the name of which escapes me, might be called 'blood and fire'.
ED *is* great. bold claims tho'
(Christ, you can't tell I dream of being Jon Savage/Richard Smith. Can you )
Sorry, Fly, seem to have gone off on one on coverage of women in the Indie scene. couldn't help it. it's so tied for me with listening to the Slits, and with the comments that have followed about their influence. |
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