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Is there a Marvel John Constantine?

 
  

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Mike-O
02:26 / 31.03.03
My cousin and I have been shooting around a killer Wendigo story for years... perhpas we should dust that fucker off, eh? Couldn't hurt to try...
 
 
Sax
10:33 / 31.03.03
Hmm, lots of "dusting off", "retooling" and "tweaking" going on here. I'm with Mr Fear - these guys aren't stupid. They're going to see these a mile off.
 
 
Mike-O
13:56 / 31.03.03
Uhhhh... just because a story is "dusted off" doesn't make it any less appealing. And buddy, if Marville can see print, I doubt the screening process is gonna be nearly as holier-than-thou as you make it sound. Marvel has already made mention of the fact that as long as your idea and storytelleing capability is solid, you can go do what you want with it.

Cheers.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:11 / 31.03.03
But that's beside the point really. Marvel actually want people to dust characters off. That's the point. They're not sure new characters will sell as well.

It's all in the article at Newsarama.
 
 
Sax
16:38 / 31.03.03
The newsarama piece did imply the thing would be weighted towards ready-made creator teams... I imagine the hassle of finding an artist, a letterer, a colourist and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all would be a right pain in the arse. Plus someone's then got to split the cash up fairly. Fucking nightmare.

Of course, I'm just trying to put you all off entering to give my re-tooling of Sasquatch: The Shaved Years more chance.
 
 
Quimper
17:12 / 31.03.03
How about Doctor Druid? He could ditch the cloak and sneak around Marvel Manhattan Bogart-style.
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
17:34 / 31.03.03
What? Doctor Druid?

The Woodgod beats him hollow - whoever he is.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:36 / 31.03.03
Warren Ellis did a Doctor Druid mini that took the character about as far as he could go...
 
 
grant
18:46 / 31.03.03
Warlock?


Or is he too "big"?


Anyway, I'd be up for doing a MODOK script. Especially if I could work Kamandi into it somehow... but only as part of a concentrated effort from here. A prank. That's sort of not.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
18:47 / 31.03.03
Kamandi is no prank...
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
19:31 / 31.03.03
I think Warlock is too small actually - he only works when he's with the likes of Thanos and Silver Surfer - might as well just make a comic series on the whole marvel cosmic characters: now that would be EPIC.

Perhaps Grant Morrison will pitch a Silver Surfer script under a pseudonymn
 
 
The Falcon
22:50 / 31.03.03
Prob'ly more successful under his own name, no?

I'd like some space opera.
 
 
videodrome
23:09 / 31.03.03
The Spamming With M.O.D.O.K. idea is great, until Marvel traces it [luke skywalker voice]...here...[/lsv].

Then they might retaliate. Knowing the Bullpen, they'd prolly put the Knodger on the payroll.

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All the submission guidelines I've looked at mention no more than $500 renumeration - if published, is there more in the offing? 'Cause if not, it's really not so hard to split five bills among a creative team.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
01:20 / 01.04.03
You know what I'd pick? Power Pack, Royal Tenenbaums-style.

And maybe a little dash of Six Feet Under, too.
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
15:15 / 01.04.03
All the submission guidelines I've looked at mention no more than $500 renumeration - if published, is there more in the offing? 'Cause if not, it's really not so hard to split five bills among a creative team.

Those $500 are just for the first 22-page story you submit, as long as they accept your idea. If they want you to make the ongoing/limited series, then they'll pay you another $8000 to get a team working and producing comics - and if they sell well, there's bonuses and royalties from TPB editions.

Read this in a post from Bill Jemas at the Pulse.
 
 
sleazenation
16:07 / 01.04.03
Suely john blaze or hannibal king are the closest marvel has to john Constantine...
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
16:31 / 01.04.03
What?

Hannibal King is still alive? Hell, hope someone knows that too and uses him - he's great for an occult/mystery comic book.

Johny Blaze... What ever happened to that other guy who was the Ghost Rider, Danny Ketch or something? Still alive?
 
 
grant
16:34 / 01.04.03
And mostly, those submissions are going to suck rocks.

This is because the best stories grow out of the characters, instead of being all-purpose plots with interchangeable characters shoehorned in.

In other words: if you can effectively tell your John Constantine story without John Constantine, it's probably not a very good John Constantine story. And it wouldn't make a very good Pete Wisdom story, either.

My advice, if you really want to do this: pick a character, and start from there.


You know, I've been thinking about this overnight, and I'm not sure I agree with it.

My objection has something to do with the way mainstream comic book characters have continuity across many writers... and they way that superheroes (and that ilk) are big, goofy "wish fulfillment" stand-ins.

Like, if I had a story about this magic-using guy who knew the streets and knew arcane secrets, what I'd be writing would be about my projection of those qualities, or that pose... that fantasy. The name tagged on that character might inflect it in different ways, but it'd still be *my* story, more than a John Constantine story or a Pete Wisdom story. The backstory might shift a little, but still... so much of that comes from what's right there in the script rather than what's in the fanboys' heads. (Or it should, anyway.)
Like, according to this Cheeks the Toy Wonder mirror site, Peter Wisdom was originally written as a version of John Steed (from TV's "Avengers"), with Kitty Pryde as his Emma Peel. I haven't read any of those books, but the thought of taking the Kitty Pryde I knew (bumbling, goofy "kid sister" type) and morphing her into something as cool and capable as Emma Peel is pretty odd... but that's what the writer does. If the character is written well enough, the name becomes immaterial, really. Just another descriptive element.
 
 
grant
17:35 / 01.04.03
Oh, and Jack Denfeld -- a quick trip through the Cheeks website (and then elsewhere on the web) yielded this: Gabriel, the Devil-Hunter.
Ex-priest, badly scarred, addict of “the drug K” (I kid you not).
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
18:00 / 01.04.03
What?

HYDRA still exists in the Marvel Universe? I must leave Vertigo alone and go back to Marvel - just to catch continuity for a few months.

And who the hell cares about M.O.D.O.K.? He's a head in a chair - what's that all about?
 
 
grant
18:05 / 01.04.03
It wasn't Warlock I was thinking of... it was Damien Hellstrom, Son of Satan.

He had his own demon doppelganger.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:09 / 01.04.03
Hey, HYDRA is a worldwide terrorist organization -- I hear those are pretty big right now as far as villains, so it's no surprise they still exist in Marvel!
 
 
The Natural Way
10:20 / 02.04.03
Rosa: I thought I told you to stop being ridiculous.

Flux: Power Pack were my no.1 choice for aaaaaages. I'm all for ensemble books. I might crank one out after Mr. Zar.
 
 
Sax
11:16 / 02.04.03
Will you be having some hot jungle action with Shanna the She-Devil, Runce?
 
 
The Natural Way
11:24 / 02.04.03
Hot and bloody.

I think it's time the "She Devil" actually lived up to her name. She's been a stupid, busty Tarzaness for too long. Think Lara Croft mixed with Mrs. Strong mixed with scaaaaaary tribal magic and headmasks.
 
  

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