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Lionheart
19:29 / 12.03.02
I'm (yes, I, Grant B. Morrison) am thinking of starting a cult. And I need all the help I can get in the mind kontrol section of the planning. If you want you can also contribute to the dogma/catma/mousema/whereismyma beliefs of the cult which must be something we can all agree with. For example, free-thinking.

  
 
Re-Set
20:25 / 12.03.02
There's not much info on the web for actual non-mechanical techniques. Everything I know I taught myself, or learned the hard way, on the other end of it. Nearly every bit of info actually on the web that relates to actual techniques is guised under the pretense of seduction, which gets kinda gross. I've some more info at home, I'll dig it up.

As a friend once said to me,
"The key is ....." (edited out as it was non-verbal)
 
 
grant
02:50 / 13.03.02
Damn - there was this great article online about mechanisms for mind control, someone linked to it a couple reboots ago.

Went into repetition & rhythmic chanting and stuff. Great article. Now, I can't find it. (It's in my favorite places folder on the computer in the anthrax building).

Repetition and jargon seem to be important.
 
 
Lullaboozler
07:47 / 13.03.02
As well as the rhythmic chanting notice how various evangelists/cult leaders also make a policy of applying their palm/hand to people's foreheads - this is supposed to knock the brain into an alpha state for a second making you WAAAAAY more suggestible to whatever guff the cult is trying to instill into you.

Oh, and nutrition deprivation also works wonders on making people more open to suggestion.
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
10:59 / 13.03.02
quote:Originally posted by grant:
Damn - there was this great article online about mechanisms for mind control, someone linked to it a couple reboots ago.

Went into repetition & rhythmic chanting and stuff. Great article. Now, I can't find it. (It's in my favorite places folder on the computer in the anthrax building).

Repetition and jargon seem to be important.

This one?: http://www.rense.com/ufo6/mindcontrol.htm

I also found this: http://www.phinnweb.com/neuro/brainwash/ which lists a good few techniques and has many links and stuff. Might try and post something slightly more insightful later...
 
 
Ria
19:17 / 13.03.02
okay, I'll take what you said at face value.

I say join a cult or what a sociologist would call a "total institution" (mental institution, military, prison... obviously you probably won't want to commit to spending time in any of these), leave it and apply what you know. many successful cult leaders did so.
 
 
MJ-12
09:46 / 14.03.02
you might want to look for work by Richard Ofshe. He's a sociologist at UC Berkely who's done a lot of work on Scientology and, more interestingly to me, confessions obtained by police under what he refers to as "duress". Of course some people think he's full of shit, but he makes interesting reading.
 
 
Lionheart
09:46 / 14.03.02
Yes, I've known about the Dick Sutphen file for many years now.

It's just that I don't want anything technological.

And I don't want to throw people into dark rooms which will, in a few days, cause such a deprivation of the senses that the person's mind will grasp for any sensory input before turning onto itself (for sensory input. the mind observing itself completly until it starts ignoring the physical senses.) And while they're in the dark room we broadcast our philosophy over the loud speakers over and over until this is the only sensory input and so our philosophy gets imprinted into the victims..uh..cult member's brain.

I'm not into that. I'm just looking for some verbal techniques and stuff. Like, what does Dick mean by "voiceroll"? I can roll up my tongue but I don't think that is what he means.

And I need a philosophy to place into the heads of others. Nothing too evil please. Something around the center of "Think for youself, schmuck... and obey me unquestioningly." I mean, if the Hare Krishnas can do it then why can't I?

Oh and does anybody have a good soapbox for me to stand on?

(ofcourse I could always go the Emperor Norton way and lock myself in a dark room for a few days.)

Hmmm...
 
 
Lionheart
09:46 / 14.03.02
Oh, and Ria. Your suggestion will not work for a very simple reason. If the army's or whoever's mind control techniques won't work on me (in other words, when I'll leave I won't have their philosophy in my head) then the techniques are obviously flawed.
 
 
Re-Set
13:16 / 14.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Lionheart:
If the army's or whoever's mind control techniques won't work on me (in other words, when I'll leave I won't have their philosophy in my head) then the techniques are obviously flawed.

It's arguable. Most people don't enter the military, cults or prison solely for research. Your cognizance of what to expect would effectively act as a shield.
 
 
Ria
15:02 / 14.03.02
partly work as a shield. cults work by creating dependance on a social group and their way of making the world logical. you can disagree about the details of the belief but the guilt and anxiety over not taking part do not go away.

it took me six months or more after I decided to make some friends outside of a particular activist group not to feel anxious and guilty that I did not help out any more.

but... insitutions do not have to convert you for you to understand their dynamics. Charlie Manson did not join the Church of Scientology as an active member but he learned from it I think.
 
 
cusm
15:27 / 14.03.02
Create a sense of family and dependence. "These are your brothers and sisters. You can't abandon them."

Create a support structure so that all problems can be solved through help of 'the family' or your own divine intervention.

Offer answers to all their questions, or promises of them at higher levels. If their ontology can exist dependent entirely on your dogma, you are all they need and will be happy fundimentalist slaves.

Mind control... NLP. Duh. Say things in threes. Never stop talking. Make Rythem in your words to encourage trance. Rap. Vary your tone of voice to punctuate important points, and keep it moving to capture interest. Listen to lots of Anticon for research: Dose One, Aceyalone, Eyedea, Cloudhead, Anti-pop Consortium. Watch tapes of Huey P. Newton spinning his magic in Black Panther rallys.

Shock them, confuse them, panic them, break them to awaken them. "Everything you know is wrong!" Then, show them the light.

Base your dogma on something you can prove validity of. Either an interpretaion of an ancient way lost to modern man, a brand new groundbreaking discovery on the nature of reality that is growing in strength 'with your support', or both.

Encourage free sex. Use drugs.

Damn. Its scary how much of this stuff I can come up with.

(*promises only to use his powers for good*)
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
18:12 / 14.03.02
Demon's resume?

Originally posted by MJ-12

"you might want to look for work by Richard Ofshe. He's a sociologist at UC Berkely who's done a lot of work on Scientology and, more interestingly to me, confessions obtained by police under what he refers to as "duress". Of course some people think he's full of shit, but he makes interesting reading."

The same Dr. Ofshe who was amember of ONI (Office for Naval Inteligence), heavily implicated in a number of the American govt's more unpleasant mind control projects and founder member of the FMSF (False Memory Syndrome Foundation), a group of child abuse apologists?
 
 
Re-Set
19:32 / 14.03.02
quote:Originally posted by cusm:
Create a sense of family and dependence. "These are your brothers and sisters. You can't abandon them."

Create a support structure so that all problems can be solved through help of 'the family' or your own divine intervention.

Offer answers to all their questions, or promises of them at higher levels. If their ontology can exist dependent entirely on your dogma, you are all they need and will be happy fundimentalist slaves.

Mind control... NLP. Duh. Say things in threes. Never stop talking. Make Rythem in your words to encourage trance. Rap. Vary your tone of voice to punctuate important points, and keep it moving to capture interest. Listen to lots of Anticon for research: Dose One, Aceyalone, Eyedea, Cloudhead, Anti-pop Consortium. Watch tapes of Huey P. Newton spinning his magic in Black Panther rallys.

Shock them, confuse them, panic them, break them to awaken them. "Everything you know is wrong!" Then, show them the light.

Base your dogma on something you can prove validity of. Either an interpretaion of an ancient way lost to modern man, a brand new groundbreaking discovery on the nature of reality that is growing in strength 'with your support', or both.

Encourage free sex. Use drugs.


I think this was beautifully and succinctly put, cusm. I may actually PM you asking if I may borrow small sections of it.

My cell needs more members. Once while working in a circle with a shaman, he stumbled across my universal job title. Shaman and the others in the circle dubbed me a "Reality Terrorist". (slogan: Do You Mind Control?)

You can basically see above for the basics of our mission statement, which I've written and re-written without much success (I'm almost afraid my delving deep into the non-verbal is beginning to hinder my verbal or written ability)

I own the domain name realityterrorists.org, but know jack-all about web design, for now. I would love suggestions, content submissions, new members to my little cult, anything anyone would like to contribute would be wonderful.

The idea is that sometimes, when it comes to waking up the entranced, you've gotta take the control in order to give it back to them. You've gotta scare them into acting/thinking for themselves. Be so wrong that they have no choice but to wonder what is right....Dare.

Anyone interested?
 
 
MJ-12
19:36 / 14.03.02
well, if you want to build a house, you talk to a carpenter, yes?

Where are you pulling Ofshe's connection with ONI? I'm not bringing anything up in a quick boolean search.
 
 
noone
20:06 / 14.03.02
drunken blah blah blah edited out

[ 15-03-2002: Message edited by: little brained brain surgeon ]
 
 
Re-Set
20:49 / 14.03.02
A Very Interesting Document

This mentions both ONI and Ofshe. I don't know that it ties them together. I'm familiar with this info, but hadn't found it in .PDF.

A warning though. If you have any suspicions/paranoias regarding being schizophrenic or the subject of mind control, electronic or otherwise, exercize caution when reading this. I am not saying any of it is true. However, reading this will feed your ideas. You may get sick. Physically. Trust me.
 
 
MJ-12
09:50 / 15.03.02
Yeah, I've seen that, and the conenctions are a bit, uh, Reformed.

Given that Ofshe's been fairly significant in opposition to Scientology, how would that fit, when the Curch of Sci is merely a puppet of ONI? Or, perhaps when the ONI is merely of puppet of the Scientologists?

Edited to add: any statements here relating to the Church of Scientology, Dianetics, Religious Technology Center, or any associated organzations are matters of opinion only and should not be construed to be statements of fact which could possibly be proven in court of law.

[ 15-03-2002: Message edited by: MJ-12 ]
 
 
Math is for suckers!
09:50 / 15.03.02
douglas rushkoff's Coersion has a section on techniques used in brainwashing
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
20:07 / 15.03.02
I'll have to check on the ONI stuff but I think you'll find his FMSF connections are quite easy to find.
 
 
Gek
20:52 / 15.03.02
Might I suggest reading Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson...
 
 
MJ-12
11:59 / 16.03.02
quote:Originally posted by The resistable rise of Reidcourchie:
I'll have to check on the ONI stuff but I think you'll find his FMSF connections are quite easy to find.

but that's only terribly meaningful if you accept them as a "group of child abuse apologists?" If, on the other hand, you consider their name, "False Memory Syndrome Foundation", you might want to consider that their looking at the number of people who've had their lives pretty much ruined by charges, largely relating to Satanic cult sexual abuse & which have been based on recovered memories, they become a little less sinister. Particularly when one notes that in many cased the memories do not accord with physical evidence. To dismiss them as child abuse apologists is like dismissing the ACLU as Nazi/Klan apologists.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
18:56 / 18.03.02
For example this quote from Dr. Underwager of the FMSF to a group of British Journalists in 1994. "60% of all women molested as children believed the experience was good for them."

Actually there is something about this I'd like to know. My understanding is that memory recovery is quite important to psychology. This is a description of Dr. Ofshe's appearance on the Rolando talk show on December the 3rd 1993. I'd be interested to hear what anyone with a knowledge of psychology makes of this.

"...a woman was interviewed who'd had flashback memories of abuse before consulting with a therapist. Dr. Offshe appeared on the programme, his silver beard groomed looking every inch the authority. Rolanda asked if a "terrible childhood memory, as bad as child abuse, can actualy be repressed?"
"There is no reason to think that is true," Offshe told her. "And it's not just what I say-this is the sum and substance of everything science knows about how memory works." Offshe dismissed repressed memories of abuse as the reining "psychological quackery of the 20th century".

Dr. Daniel Lutzker, a psychologist at the Milton Erickson Institute was sitting in the audience turning crimson with rage at Offshe's misrepresentations of the psychology of trauma. He stood up and argued that sexual abuse can indeed begat buried recollections. "Repressed memories," Lutzker countered, "are not only important, they are the cornerstone of most psychotherapies. The fact is the more awful the experience, the more likely it is to be repressed!"

Offshe responded that there was "no evidence" to support such "nonsense."

Grimacing with disbelief, Lutzker said that Offshe wouldn't make such outrageous comments if he bothered to pick up "any basic textbook on psychotherapy".

"Your making it up!" Offshe spat. Lutzker stared at him in disbelief."

So anyway, what's going on there? Are either of them right, in as much as anybody can be in psychology?
 
  
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