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Cerebus Question : help me save/spend money

 
  

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FinderWolf
13:33 / 11.11.03
>> I confess that I got lost somewhere during 'Going Home'. Kept buying the issues but all of the fuck'n "Hamfast Ernestway" stuff just washed over me. I couldn't bring myself to care. What's worse is that Sim stole this notion from Moore's 'From Hell' that it's all cool to have an enormous appendix where you discuss the text in a very technical way and go over all your references and research. But while I found the appendices not only a fascinating but also a central part of From Hell, I just found the appendices to Going Home to be a quagmire of invective, floundering desperately for a direction.

This is EXACTLY, I mean literally EXACTLY, what I thought reading GOING HOME. And the Hemingway stuff too. Like Dave saying "Look, I can be really literate too!"

So the recent issues (past 2 years' worth) have been just so-so? Too bad. And how is it dramatic that Cerebus dies 'alone, unmourned and unloved' when he's already a miserable bastard anyway with meandering plot lines?
 
 
illmatic
13:41 / 11.11.03
Well, have you looked on that Davewatch site? By all accounts the guy has completely flipped. Sidesteping the misogony for a moment, what about the bizarre self-referential mystical system? Anyone read this issue. He's not in a good space.
 
 
neuepunk
14:13 / 11.11.03
I pick up the occasional issue to see what kind of batshit-crazy things Sim has to say these days. I doubt I'll end up buying any of the collections, but I certainly would like to borrow and read them.

Really, I don't see the harm in buying them though. It's not like Sim has an actual following that agrees with his possibly-misogynist views, and if he does... well, he's not going to share the money with them. Cerebus has gone from an entertaining, sometimes-witty story with satirical elements to some sort of crazed lashing out at the world. On a monthly basis.
 
 
houdini
14:35 / 11.11.03

Yeah, I vote with those who say he's just lost his mind, poor bastid. Andrew Rilstone (who maintains the "Davewatch" page) has a couple articles about Sim's degeneration on his Aslan website. Go to

http://www.aslan.demon.co.uk/arts.htm

and scroll down to 'Aardvarks & Other Comics'. There are four essays:

Cerebus, an Obituary (parts 1 & 2), and
Is Dave Sim Mad (parts 1 & 2)

I think a lot of what he says there is really true.

A little story: Autumn of 1996 I bungled my finances and ended up having to phone my dad from college and get him to front me money so I could take the train down from Durham to Nottingham for the 'Spirits of Independence' tour. With a missed connection and some fucked up scheduling I didn't get to the con till after 6pm. The room was empty and they were taking down the tables. I got a signature from a very depressed Nabiel Kanan and then ended up talking to Ed "Ilya" Hilyer, who took pity on me and tipped me off as to where the pro's would be drinking later that evening. I went and met up with them and ended up drinking with those guys, the Page 45 blokes, Jeremy Dennis of 3inabed, the Sleaze Castle chaps, Gary Spencer Millidge and, of course, Sim and Gerhard.

There were also a few other hangers-on, and halfway through the night I find myself sitting diagonally opposite Dave with two women in the corner spots of the square. Dave is handing me a cigarette and one of the girls asks me if I'm a vegetarian. I confess I'm not and the other one takes the opportunity to mention that they both view men as so different from women that if they weren't veggie they wouldn't think eating male flesh was cannibalism. I cough politely and try to suggest that, biologically speaking, a species is defined by the ability to reproduce, and... and then they both start shouting at me. Sim fixes me with one of those talk-show-host, car-salesman "zing" looks and says, real quiet like, "Smile and nod, kid. Smile and nod." So I smile, I nod, and the conversation dries up instantly and blows away on some phantom breeze.

Woke up the next morning with a throbbing headache, two pages of sketches and a signed copy of 'Melmoth'. Make of that what you will.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:39 / 11.11.03
Oh wait! He was right about women after all! And vegetarians!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:06 / 11.11.03
This is such a shame. I've just started on the long Cerebus voyage (approaching the end of vol 2- High Society, and with Church & State part 1 for dessert) and now you tell me the guy goes nuts and becomes a prick later on? Shit.

Not knowing much about the guy, what the fuck happened? I mean, didn't he have a piece in that "Artists Against Rampant Government Homphobia" comic? Please don't tell me he's doing a whole Naomi Campbell/wearing fur thing. Is he?

Arse.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:37 / 11.11.03
Stoatie, all the answers and links you need to learn about Sim's misogynism and loss of general sanity are right here in this thread. So read up and catch up! Nothing about fur or Naomi Campbell here.

>> the other one takes the opportunity to mention that they both view men as so different from women that if they weren't veggie they wouldn't think eating male flesh was cannibalism.

HUH!?!? How the hell does cannibalism follow from eating animal flesh? I sort of see their line of thinking, in terms of the logic thread they're following, I guess, but that's pretty bizarre reasoning. (And believe me, I don't mean for this thread to become a discussion of vegetarianism or how eating animal flesh is tantamount to cannibalism)
 
 
houdini
18:35 / 11.11.03

Well, my story is just that - a little anecdote. It's not evidence in a case. I don't think it's making a point. As Homer Simpson says, "Maybe there is no moral. Maybe this was just a bunch of dumb stuff that happened."

As I said above, make of it what you will.

(But I agree - please confine cannibalism discussions to some other thread. This one's suffered enough.)
 
 
sleazenation
19:03 / 11.11.03
Hey just cos Sim descends into the realms of madness does not make his work, particularly his earlier work, any less worth reading. In fact it becomes sort of compeling to watch, like a H.P. Lovecraft story, only real.

And while I have not particularly enjoyed Sim's recent work (from issue 268 onwards really) even past this point it remainsexperimental and interesting from both a historical and technichal point of view. And no one produces more expressive lettering...
 
 
FinderWolf
19:23 / 11.11.03
Oh, I didn't think you were trying to make a point with the anecdote. (I don't mean that in a sarcastic way)

And yes, Sim could become a total asshole and misogynist but still produce good work. Thing is, it seems like his recent work hasn't been very good.

Although just the other day I made the exact same comment about Sim's brilliant lettering. It's like he took the ball from Will Eisner's lettering experiments and just kept running. He does consistently amazing things with lettering and sound effects in CEREBUS. And his non-lettering work in CEREBUS still has that experimental spirit, even if it's not very successful or quality experimentation, and there is something to be said for his pioneering spirit in his recent comics as well as his previous, better comics.
 
 
rakehell
03:21 / 12.11.03
If anyone would like to read it the Sim/Moore Correspondence is here.
 
 
DaveBCooper
08:49 / 12.11.03
Hunter, Sleaze, you're both absolutely right - Sim may or may not be a bit of a mentalist, what I was asking at the start of this was whether this necessarily made the work any more or less readable.

As for personal anecdotes, I have to say that I met Dave and Ger on a number of occasions in the late 1980s, and they were both perfectly pleasant, signing all sorts of stuff for me and many others, doing sketches quite cheerfully, and if memory serves, auctioning off original paintings (done at the convention in question) for charity, so my personal recollections of them are very much of a positive nature. Just wondering if, having lost track of the series, Cerebus is worth catching up with.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
11:08 / 12.11.03
And The Last Day continues his trend of visual narrative greatness, with nothing typed out whatsoever. It's a simple enough tale, but visually, Dave and Ger are pulling out all the stops before the last hurrah. (You've got to see what he does with rain). And Christ, Cerebus looks TERRIBLE. But, you know, in a good way. He's supposed to. At this point he's somewhere around a thousand years old. I say read it. Read it all. Read it in the books so you don't have to bothered with essays and letter columns (and, you know, skip the annotations if you like). I'm pretty sure Latter Days vol. 1 will be out the month or the next. Which I liked mainly for the Woody Allen revisionism.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:26 / 12.11.03
I have a comics artist friend who's met Dave Sim many times and he was a really nice, really terrific guy. But every time it was at a gathering of all men. So he may be really cool with guys and especially kind to fellow male comic artists but not with women, who knows?

So far, the reviews & comments I've been hearing about the last two volumes of Cerebus haven't gotten me excited/interested enough to pick 'em up. Maybe I'll read the end of the series a year or so after it's over...I'm not in any hurry. But despite his insanity/misogynism, I would still get 'em and read 'em if I heard they were excellent. I think you can separate someone's work from his personal life, unless it's like Hitler or something like that.
 
 
houdini
13:53 / 12.11.03

The issue which Rilstone raises in the essays I linked to above, which is also what I feel, is that sure you can separate someone's work from their political (?) views. But Sim no longer can.

Even the oh-so-scandalous #185 and 186 are, to my mind, an acceptable part of the Cerebus story. In that volume of Mothers & Daughters (Reads, #'s 175-186) Sim divides the narrative half into Cerebus's big confrontation with Cirin, Astoria and Suenteus Po, and half into autobiography. This, I think, is reasonable. It's the same trick he used with Melmoth, or even Jaka's Story, only applied to his own life.

In the autobio parts, he uses two self-insertion identities: Victor Reid is a naive writer of "Reads", the Cerebus-world equivalent of comic books. The first half of the story tracks Victor Reid's rise and fall, the vicissitudes of his Reads career, and continues in the vein of satirizing the comics publishing industry which has been an element in Cerebus since at least #23. In the second half, Victor Reid is replaced by the (much nastier) Victor Davis, who has much stronger narrator voice and proceeds to recount more personal autobiography, not in terms of events but in terms of Sims' crazed theories.

But all up, in this story, the actual batshit crazy stuff is confined to the text portions of #185 and #186. That's half of two issues, or one issue's worth, out of the first 200 issues where the content is actively focussed on advancing Sim's worldview. That's one half of one per cent. So it's certainly a component of the narrative, but I wouldn't say it's overwhelming.

But since #200 that degree of separation has been seen less and less. Sim self-inserts again at the end of a later story because he can't get Cerebus out of the bar that his life has gotten trapped in. We get to this stage where he really seems to believe that the little grey guy is alive. It sounds like Morrison's proclamations about the DCU, but without the sense of humour.

From there, things spin off and there's more and more of a feeling of Sim-the-guy pushing into the narrative, getting in the way of Sim-the-author trying to tell his tale. Sim-the-guy wants to be a cool researcher like Alan Moore, so he starts these long elaborate fictionalizations of Fitzgerald and Hemmingway. Sim the guy pushes his own feelings about women into the story and Jaka has to contort out of all recognition to match the pattern, even though it's basically at variance with how her character has been established to date. And so on.

This is why I "drew a line" under 200. That's the last point that I felt he was still on the right track. He'd talked some smack that was wrong, sure, but it hadn't affected the comic. In the last hundred issues, I feel like it has, especially with the Gospel According To Dave-The-Guy being written into the conclusion of the last story arc.

Little known fact: S'ym, the big purple demon with the quiff and the stoagie who used to chase Magik around in the New Mutants is based on Dave Sim, and is pretty much a visual ringer for him. You can certainly see it in the early issues where Cockrum was drawing him.
 
 
Spaniel
12:52 / 14.11.03
Been a while since I last visited Simmtopia. A world where the evil Homosexualists-Feminist Axis has been crushed, men are given “spanking lessons”, and women and children offer up “peace” and “quiet” to a male god.

Ah yes, lovely Dave.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:27 / 16.11.03
So... if he's been becoming more offensive and less funny... where do the two cease to cancel each other out? I'm loving it at the moment, but I know I'm the sort of person who'll hang on to the bitter end, regardless of whether I'm being offended/bored, just to see what happens. At what point is this likely to become a fruitless task?

The thing that always appealed to me about Cerebus was its almost "real-time" nature- the character ages, stuff changes, the whole dynamic becomes different. Surely watching as the creator becomes more and more loopy would be compelling in itself, no? (Of course, there's always the issue of actually giving money to misogynist homophobes, but I'm reserving judgment for a while on that one). I remember the unpleasant part of myself (the part which thinks "schadenfreude" is the best word in any language) being somewhat miffed when Charles Schulz died purely because it meant I wouldn't be able to watch the Peanuts gang lapse into senility. (Sorry, Charles, wherever you are... I try to keep that part under wraps, if it's any consolation. The rest of me was just sad.)
 
 
houdini
18:05 / 17.11.03

I'm the sort of person who'll hang on to the bitter end, regardless of whether I'm being offended/bored, just to see what happens. At what point is this likely to become a fruitless task?

In terms of where I think the series enters decline, I already said: After #200. (Although I s'pose you could convince me to give Guys and even Rick's Story a chance; it wasn't until Going Home that I feel the rot really set in.)

In terms of actual publishing, "the bitter end" is only about 5 months away, after which I'm looking forward to packing in my pamphlet habit and switching to trades.

In a way, Cerebus, which helped usher in my "grown up" phase of comics collecting, has been quite helpful in this. It will die soon and all GM will leave the X-Books. Bone will be over and I will have to find something else to waste money on every Wednesday.

But I digress.
 
 
Spaniel
22:37 / 18.11.03
but I'm reserving judgment for a while on that one

Why? Why are you reserving judgement? The links provided are all you need to get a handle on Mr Sim's worldview.

Look, I'm not trying to reduce Cerebus to the rantings of a mad man, or attempting to persuade the unconverted to drop the book. I'm sure the book has its merits, and I'm sure there is much fun to be had watching Dave's mind dissolve.

But.

Trust me when I say that Sim has some seriously unpleasant issues.
 
 
The Golden Ass
03:00 / 08.12.03
Dave Sim is a brilliant cartoonist. Dave Sim holds opinions which are probably contrary to most mainstream or 'alternative' comics fans. Never the 'twain shall meet, or do they? Sim still has me buying Cerebus every month, but usually I just read the story and not the 'editorial'. Recently, he seems to concluded that his beliefs concerning gender and religion make him a sort of cardboard cut-out Michael Savage/Ann Coulter type. When he was just criticizing (correctly I think)radical feminism or writing about his intriguing religious beliefs (holding all mainstream monotheisms to be equally valid)He was still on recognizable, sane ground. But lately . . . I don't know, man . . . and the comic too has started to suffer, I thought the Biblical commentary stuff was interesting at first (if more than a bit laughable in parts) it wore pretty thin after what Ten Issues! or whatever. Still his accomplishment for the medium deserves more recognition than his un-PC opinions will allow him. For my money the "Going Home/Form and Void" storyline is one of the very best of the medium, ranking for me alongside Moore and Campbell's "From Hell" and Gilbert Hernandez's 'Palomar' stories.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
19:57 / 07.04.04
Right, I've just been browsing the TP's in my local comic emporia, unsure as to whether to dive in, but this thread has definitely made me want to go for it.
I mean, 'bloke starts out writing cool comic before lapsing into madness and writing about it in flinch-worthy detail'. That sounds like my cup of shit.
How do I go about it though? Start with the first trade and then carry on? (Bear in mind I'm tighter than a wetsuit).
 
 
sleazenation
22:16 / 07.04.04
The best place to start IMO is the second trade, High Society. The first trade is full of one issue parodies of late 70's comics in a conan the barbarians, but towards the latter half of the collection you can see a marked improvement - and there a few things that are refered to later in the series - but High Society is pretty self contained and accessible. It's also great fun, with lots going on.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
23:34 / 07.04.04
I concur.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:45 / 09.04.04
Yeah, I'm just getting towards the end of "High Society"... I have "Church and State" all primed and ready to go...

I've checked the links in this thread and read various other interviews... the guy's lost it, hasn't he? And he's not only lost it, but he's a prick to boot.

Okay. To go back to what I asked earlier, but in slightly more informed terms... at what point does the clever/funny/offensive/nuts balance collapse in favour of the last two? And, more cogently, should I worry about giving this man money when I can't in all honesty think he's actually gonna be able to do anything at all with it other than order pizza and keep his insane self from being a burden on the state or anyone else (as he seems to hate everyone now). Reading that Onion AV Club interview with him, I now think that whoever defined "Simtopia" earlier was being too kind... Simtopia looks like it may just be a place where Sim and his inner wrestler sit and confer for all time on the inadequacies of women and the weak. (And, my God... considering the guy in the Onion AV thing barely mentioned his misogyny, Sim could talk of nothing but how that's all interviewers ever bring up... something is wrong in Mr Sim's head, and it ain't just his viewpoint).

My point is, though, what with this being a Comics thread and all... is it worth me carrying on with my Cerebus journey (which so far is ace)... how disappointed will I be? Is the art still great at the end? Is the offensive bullshit READABLE offensive bullshit? Will I throw this down in disgust or put it down out of boredom?

If I get to the end (I've been avoiding the "it is accomplished" thread in case I decide to carry this one through, and wish to avoid plot-based spoilers) will I feel sorry it's over, or feel I've achieved something in the reading? (Bear in mind... a comic is not gonna turn me into a woman-hating Nietzschean paranoid, so I'm not too worried on that front.)

And yeah, I know #186 (way further than I am yet) is the "tipping point"... but is this signalled? Are there things in High Society I should be worrying about because they are the early blossomings of Sim's nuttiness?

I'm thinking I may just go for it and read the lot. As someone in this thread has already said, it'd be Lovecraftian.
 
 
sleazenation
10:01 / 09.04.04
On the giving Sim money front - this is a man that has sliped into one of his Lovecraftian ravings the fact he seldom traveled outside a few blocks of his home. Aside from anything else, it seems that buying Sim's work is an effective means of ensuring that he doesn't leave his house.


Will Cerebus disappoint you? YMMV. Parts disappointed me - I can see bits that you will love stoatie - especially the guys collection 200-220-odd.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
10:59 / 09.04.04
I suppose it all depends.

I've forgiven the most awful of films for five minutes of pristine greatness. Cerebus, especially the final third, can be impenatrably boring. You will find yourself reading an issue made up entirely of intermission quiz cards and huge tracts of prose about the Talmud.

However, at no point does the artwork (well, technecailly I guess you could say that particular issue has no artwork), sink anywhere below absolutely the most successfully innovative (i.e. groundbreaking but always clear and readable) sequential art I've ever seen published.

And, I mean, are your financial straits really that dire that you would avoid spending money on a work that perhaps 100 pages out of 6000 might "offend" your "sensibilities"? I can only think of 100 pages tops where Sim's politics could be seen as taking over the narrative and getting in the way of a character's actual development path. Aside from that 2% you are memorializing, ensuring the presence in your collection, of really the most consitently innovative but above all pristenely readable in ways you'd never imagined someone telling a comic book story comic book story ever.

It's your call. Dave will be able to eat (or fast) for the rest of his life either way.
 
 
Janean Patience
10:05 / 23.09.06
Considered a new Cerebus thread, but the latter half of this one dovetails exactly with what I'm hoping to get advice on.

I'm currently speeding through the amateurish first volume, after having read High Society to Form & Void over the last year or so. I don't remotely agree with Dave's politics or views on women, to get that out of the way, but have endless admiration for his work and his craft. Given that his misogyny becomes apparent by the infamous #186, it takes a long while before it really begins to infect and alter the storyline. By Form & Void though, wonderful though parts of it are (the adaptation of Mary Hemingway's Africa journal made me wish more comic artists would follow that lead) Dave's crazy views were very much a part of the comic. The conclusions he drew about the Hemingways were irrational and made little sense within the storyline unless you knew what the writer wanted to prove, and the

SPOILER

rejection of Jaka at the end was out of character for Cerebus. Dave the writer, as opposed to Dave the character, was using his work to make points.

So, given all that, and taking into account I bought and enjoyed all the other volumes despite their quirks, should I bother with the final two? Because I've heard stuff, indeed on this very thread, about Latter Days being utterly impenetrable. As a fan of the Cerebus comics but someone who finds Dave's rantings painful to wade through (how is it possible for someone to write such fine comics, with structure and dialogue few could equal, and such unfriendly, unreadable prose?) is it worth picking them up?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:52 / 23.09.06
Are you near a library or comic shop where you can have a look at them before purchasing?
 
 
sleazenation
23:04 / 23.09.06
The Latter Days vary wildly - they started off with two enagaging stories then devolves into, well, large chunks of illustrated script about Woody Allen and various religious texts ... If you can get it out of a library then do that... though even then you might struggle to find the motivation to slog through some of the large blocks of text.

The Last Day, the last book in the series is far more engaging... we see Cerebus in extreme old age before he finally dies, as predicted, alone unmourned and unloved...
 
 
Janean Patience
16:47 / 24.09.06
Lady says: Are you near a library or comic shop where you can have a look at them before purchasing?

Probably not. The library certainly won't have them - they've still not stopped patting themselves on the back for buying a copy of David B's Epileptic. That story made the local press, I shit you not. And while my nearest comic shop has some volumes, weirdly including Collected Letters, I don't think they bothered getting either of the last two.

Would it be that obvious, anyway? Certainly the stuff I didn't like in Form & Void wouldn't have stood out in a quick shop browse. I looked through some of the later singles, and saw the Woody Allen-handwriting sections, and while annoying to read I guess I would have coped. My fear is that all the Cerebus hallmarks of characterisation, humour, and groundbreaking storytelling will be abandoned in favour of an illustrated guide to Dave Sim's loopy buffet-style religion. That's in Latter Days, of course. I've never heard much about The Last Day.

Sleaze says: The Last Day, the last book in the series is far more engaging... we see Cerebus in extreme old age before he finally dies, as predicted, alone unmourned and unloved...

Would it make any sense at all to get the final volume, with its paranoid schizophrenic (medical term used with due consideration) introduction and read it without bothering with Latter Days? It's not the expense I mind. I just don't want to see Dave finish his (and Gerhard's) life's work by pissing on it.
 
 
sleazenation
17:47 / 24.09.06
Well, The Last Day is really The Latter Days, book 2 but all you really need to know can be gleaned from this overview from wikipedia...

Latter Days. After a prodigious leap in time over two issues, Cerebus returns from the north intent on provoking the Cirinists into killing him. Instead, he is captured by a trio of characters based on the Three Stooges, who await a religious revelation from him. While Cerebus was in the north, a religious movement developed out of the teachings of Rick and his writings about Cerebus. Once Cerebus supplies the required revelation, he inspires a successful anti-Cirinist rebellion and a subsequent reordering of society. Much of the second half of this chapter consists of Cerebus giving a highly idiosyncratic analysis of the Torah. Lasting nearly a year (in publishing terms), this section, called "Chasing YHWH" (presumably a reference to the Kevin Smith film, Chasing Amy) threatened to alienate even more of Sim's followers. This section was presented almost entirely in text format, with minimal art. This story arc is unusual in that disembodied thought balloons give the impression that Cerebus is speaking directly to the reader at times; it is revealed in the last issue of the arc that Cerebus has been talking to a woman reporter, who bears a striking resemblance to Jaka. He eventually falls in love with the woman and marries her.

The first two issues are quite good and then the narrative takes a massive turn and a lot of stuff happens off panel, behind the scenes and during the time lapsed issues... Serebus then goes and gets drunk in an illegal strip club hoping that the Cirinists might kill him... instead he is captured by religious nutters in the form of the three stoodges. From this point on the narrative is clouded with references to religions both from our world and based on the scriptures penned by Rick. The invention of firearms has shifted the balence of power and a charismatic leader based on Todd McFarlane appears to be in the throws of a successful rebellion against the cirinists - Cerebus manages subvert this leadership and found a new religion and after doing so Cerebus devotes years to examining the Torah with Woddy Allen. Decades pass during which time pretty much every character we've met during the course of the series dies (unmentioned and off pannel) - aardvarks are extremely long-lived compared to humans it seems. Cerebus recounts his reading of the Torah to a woman who Cerebus appears to be attempting to seduce. The woman is called Joanna and, having read the book of Rick, assumes that Cerebus is interested in her because she in some way resembles her namesake when in truth she actually resembles Jaka.

That's probably all you need to know.

The Last Day begins with more scripture stuff but soon reverts back to strip work, with some fantastic layouts from both Sim and Gerhard...
 
 
Janean Patience
19:44 / 25.09.06
What I really want to do, then, is to see if I can read them somewhere for free like Our Lady said.

What I really want, in truth, is for the series to finish with a semblance of the quality and style it had at its best, and for its creator not to be a total aggressive repetitive nutter...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:42 / 27.09.06
Interviews like this are interesting, although fanboyish they suggest that Sim isn't as bad tempered as those post-issue 300 interviews suggested.
 
 
Janean Patience
18:29 / 27.09.06
The link on that page, Siu Ta: The Diary of an Actress, seemingly drawn by Dave this year, is the very last thing I would ever have expected Dave to be doing. Seriously. I would have been less surprised to see him down Bargain Booze here in the north, moaning about his shift pattern. Or delivering pizza. Or holding one of them big bunches of helium balloons in the High Street.

I mean, the diary of a woman (inherently, self-evidently inferior) who's a TV actress (terrible, mind-corrupting, like drugs) which is, on the evidence of the two episodes shown, pretty vapid stuff? Which uses storytelling techniques stolen from Look-In circa 1983?

I always had a half-theory that Dave had gone mad because of Cerebus. Simply driven out of his mind by the insane commitment he made in the throes of a schizophrenic breakdown, a promise which for some reason he couldn't break. And, conversely, that once the 300 issues were over, he would go sane. That little grey bastard would stop driving nails into his brain and he'd heal and be more like the rest of us. This could be a step toward that.

Next: a run on Wolverine.
 
 
Janean Patience
18:30 / 27.09.06
Should have said I haven't heard the interview yet, no audio equipment here, though I'd be interested to read a few quotes to see if it supports my conjecture.
 
  

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