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The filth 9

 
  

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yawn - thing's buddy
07:52 / 28.03.03
come to **********. you can do that here.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:41 / 28.03.03
I also really liked the line about "doesn't matter what theology you follow or what you think God is all about, the ink is all that matters." (I paraphrase, of course) Lines up with the whole "Have I not told you, ye are Gods?" philosophy - the power of God to create reality is within us. We needn't worry about what created the universe or try to comprehend its mysteries or explain God perfectly -- all we need to know is the creative power we have. See the book CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD. "All we care about is the ink." Not a godless philosophy but more that God is us and we are God. God is all that is, and "the Kingdom of God is within," as some cool dude named Jesus taught.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:42 / 28.03.03
I also really liked the line about "doesn't matter what theology you follow or what you think God is all about, the ink is all that matters." (I paraphrase, of course) Lines up with the whole "Have I not told you, ye are Gods?" philosophy - the power of God to create reality is within us. We needn't worry about what created the universe or try to comprehend its mysteries or explain God perfectly -- all we need to know is the creative power we have. See the book CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD. "All we care about is the ink." Not a godless philosophy but more that God is us and we are God. God is all that is, and "the Kingdom of God is within," as some cool dude named Jesus taught.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:42 / 28.03.03
I also really liked the line about "doesn't matter what theology you follow or what you think God is all about, the ink is all that matters." (I paraphrase, of course) Lines up with the whole "Have I not told you, ye are Gods?" philosophy - the power of God to create reality is within us. We needn't worry about what created the universe or try to comprehend its mysteries or explain God perfectly -- all we need to know is the creative power we have. See the book CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD. "All we care about is the ink." Not a godless philosophy but more that God is us and we are God. God is all that is, and "the Kingdom of God is within," as some cool dude named Jesus taught.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:42 / 28.03.03
I also really liked the line about "doesn't matter what theology you follow or what you think God is all about, the ink is all that matters." (I paraphrase, of course) Lines up with the whole "Have I not told you, ye are Gods?" philosophy - the power of God to create reality is within us. We needn't worry about what created the universe or try to comprehend its mysteries or explain God perfectly -- all we need to know is the creative power we have. See the book CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD. "All we care about is the ink." Not a godless philosophy but more that God is us and we are God. God is all that is, and "the Kingdom of God is within," as some cool dude named Jesus taught.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:12 / 28.03.03
See, I saw that very, very differently: the exact line is (translated) "Nobody gives a fuck about where the hand's from. All we care about's the ink," which I saw it as indicating a certain lack of imagination, which is a common trait amongst Grant Morrison's bad guys—a lack of curiosity, of playfulness, which carries over into all aspects: everything about the Hand—even the sex—is purposeful, practical: even Mercury's inky narratives are carried out to a purpose: the growth and harvesting of new technology. There's no play here.

In fact, the only people we see playing—just trying things to see what happens—have been amoral monsters like Von Vermun and Hughes.

"The ink makes things real": the source, then, of Le Pen's ability to shape events by writing them—her pose mirroring that of the hand's owner: as above, so below.

Grant has said that this is the most meticulously planned book he's ever done, as opposed to the more improvisational Invisibles. In a way, this is a case of the protagonist dictating the approach. The strength of the Invisibles lay in their ability to confound the expectations of a hierarchical predictable enemy—but the Hand, as agents of control, depend on planning and predictability.

One exception: Ned Slade, who's been described as good at improvising... which may be why he's having trouble fitting in...

But for such a planned book, there are many bothersome inconsisitencies in the art. Chris Weston can't seem to decide from page to page whether the stripes on Ned's insignia go above or below the shield; Cameron Spector has switches from the Frequency to the Horns; and the colors of Spector's and Mercury's uniforms change from issue to issue.

Also: Does the giant hand remind anyone else of Alan Moore's SWAMP THING: LOVE AND DEATH?
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:24 / 28.03.03
Did the flower shop scene even happen or was that just Ned and Spector talking? Because right after Spector says, "Aye but then... imagine this...just as they're wrapping poor wee tony's flowers, one of the nice wummin spots the headline... PEDO-FEELY!" It's like they're making up greg's life as they go along. But I guess it did cause at the end he is carrying flowers.
 
 
The Natural Way
16:16 / 28.03.03
Did it happen? The boundaries are blurring between the stories.... The text is becoming soft and malleable.
 
 
PatrickMM
23:59 / 28.03.03
I finally got a copy, and this is the best issue of the series yet, approaching Invisibles-level greatness at times.

When reading the last scene, I was reminded of an interview where Grant talked about using magic to save his friend's cat's life. If the ink comes from Grant's mind, it would make sense that parts of our reality are seaping into their world. And, I thought that the woman at the end resembled Kristen a bit. I really like the direction of this, and I can't wait for the next issues.
 
 
The Falcon
01:45 / 30.03.03
Jill Thompson's cat, actually.
 
 
the Fool
20:56 / 30.03.03
A thought I had recently, the only thing 'real' in the filth is the ink on the page. Its 'the ink that makes it real'. The fluid of thought stuff building realities for us to mine, even as the filth mine theirs. We're all digging in the mess of chaos, hoping to find diamonds but usually just dredging up shit.
 
 
Warewullf
21:06 / 01.04.03
Ok, this just came to me while re-reading. Lots of repetition of themes:

The giant hand echoes the fate of Dr.Soon. She created a miniature world and eventually died and fell upon that world.

She created the world and fell upon it.
The giant hand created the world and fell upon it.

The tiny beings there viewed this giant being with awe (presumably)and mined/cannabalised her.
The giant Hand falls to Earth (or The Crack) and is mined/cannabalised by the tiny beings who find it.

The I-Life go through their life-span much faster than humans. The humans at The Crack go through their lives faster than those outside The Crack.

(The I-Life in the Sharon Jones bio-ship are 72 (i think) generations removed from the ones in Greg's fishbowl.)

Sharon Jones is a method for the I-Life to experience and interact with the world of their creator.
The Ink (and The Paperverse) are methods through which the humans explore the world of their creator (The giant hand/GM?).

What does it all mean?
Obviously, it means
 
 
Warewullf
21:08 / 01.04.03
...something, but I don't know what.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
06:54 / 02.04.03
Jack Fear: was also struck by the the filth's giant hand's similarity to Moore's american gothic 'big blue black hand spectacle'.

shite sentence.
 
 
The Natural Way
10:15 / 02.04.03
Fool: that's great.
 
  

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