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The filth 9

 
  

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glassonion
13:46 / 13.03.03
oh the joys of inemployment. i get to read it before everyone else but i don't have the cash to buy the ultimate titles I wanted. oh well, roll on giro day.

poor tony, obviously, i hope the resurrection the i-life do for him isn't too gross. more important now than where greg goes is where bad greg goes, and how much ned can fuck him up without hurting himself. there's always loads more cats need looking after [animal hospital-daytime tv-spot the link yet?], and the loss of one is really just a chance for you to go and get two more.

i used to see gilbert and george out and about quite often when i lived in the east end, but, no lie, every time i saw them i was on acid and i got quite scared by these twin faecal-freaks who seemed to be following me around. most chilling moment in this ish was when the kind ladies said they'd say a prayer.

and angels and demons are no different and the god of the filth is just like the god from animal man number 5.

but its still really all about the jokes.

just off to crackcomics to see if there's anything new.
 
 
glassonion
13:49 / 13.03.03
and there's not. don't bother.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
14:53 / 13.03.03
Amazing amazing amazing.

I love this title.

More later (when I'm unemployed)
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:23 / 13.03.03
Yeah... what a trip.

Liked Weston's treatment of Man Green man Yellow...

Admiral Nixxon.... Yikes.
 
 
--
16:24 / 13.03.03
Just read it an hor ago, had to brave snow to get to the store but it was worth it.

This is the issue I've been waiting for since I read the preview for it months back, the issue that shed some light on the secrets of the comic, etc. Well, it does shed some light though of course I'm still not quite sure I get the whole thing, maybe future issues will clarify. We shall see.

Comments:

I was shocked by the opening pages where we find out that Tony died. I was expecting GM to actually show it happen. There is great humor in these pages, like the vet who says "Without that medicine a pair of golden hmasters might not last the night". Only in a GM comic I guess, same for the Tarantula doing Winston Churchill impersonations. The sight of Ned crying in the back of the car was heartbreaking. Same for Ned's line about wanting to be there for the cat when he died but I wasn't". This line moved me more then anything I've read so far in this title. It reminded me of last summer when I was on vacation in Montreal and we got a call from the woman (a vet) who was house-sitting our cat while we were away. The first night at the hotel she called us and said that she had discovered our cat (Rusty) having breathing trouble so she took him to the vets, where they found out his lungs were filling up with fluid. The doctors had to shave large patches of fur off to help drain him out, and they had to keep him there overnight. We decided to cut our vacation short and get back to Rhode Island to be with him. That night at the hotel I was a mess, thinking about my poor cat locked in a cage in some strange place, sick, shaved, separated from his loved ones and how scared he must be, plus years ago I had made a promise to him that I would be by his side when he died. The idea of him dying in a strange place alone without his loved ones made me feel sick and I said a prayer to Bast, asking her to keep Rusty alive until we got back. Well, he did make it in time and we put him on pills and he seemed fine for a few weeks, but then he got sick again and we had to put him down in September, exactly a week after I read Filth #3, which of course ends with Ned burying a cat while it’s raining out (it was raining when we buried Rusty in the backyard too). At least I was with him when he died though. The moment of his death I said a prayer to Bast to get him to the afterlife safetly. Maybe that’s why this issue moved me so much.

Back to the comic… The Man Green/Man Yellow scene was quite odd, very surreal, and I’m not sure I got it. Same for the NixonNoxin stuff. Ah well. That view of the Hand was quite cool-looking, though I wonder about all that talk about ink. I’m guessing this means that the hand is responsible for creating life? And I wonder why it started in the year 1952? Or why time goes faster there?

The last scene was quite odd (I found the panels where one of the kids throwing a piece of shit at Ned to be a little silly) with Sharon Jones back in the story as a major player it seems. What is with all that “You-am” stuff, and I wonder what the I-Life is doing on Tony? And is that a Bast statue?

Contrary to what GM said I didn’t find the accent stuff that tough to figure out, maybe I’m just used to Cameron’s style of speech by now…
 
 
vajramukti
19:37 / 13.03.03
I think the man green/man yellow, as well as nixonoxin thing, are meant to be qulippothic representations. grant was talking about the reversed color schemes of the tree of life and whatnot last week. the crack is apparently the quabbalistic abyss, whereby the energy of god enters the flawed material realm
 
 
LDones
20:58 / 13.03.03
I'll second Sypha's point about Cameron's dialogue being fairly easy to boil down for a sober American on a toilet, save a word or two on a page here and there. Some things I wonder about.

I think I'm missing something w/ Man Green/Man Yellow. Are they "supposed to be somebody"? I loved that sequence. That, and this whole issue made me feel like Greg's simultaneously becoming stronger/coming into his own and falling to pieces.

Cameron's eyes change color every couple of pages - from green, to blue, to purple, etc. - I wonder if it's intentional. She was a very maternal presence in this issue, which is interesting considering what's come before.

I think the Hand was supposed to have originated in 1952 because it makes sense as Greg's birthdate (making him 51 or thereabout, which fits to me). I think the two are inextricably linked, regardless of how much either side of his life is 'real'.

I wasn't sure if The Eternal Bio-Ship Sharon Jones was 'giving' something to Tony or 'taking it back'. And that sure is a Bast statue - cheeky, pagan Feely.

Really stellar issue. I think it's the best work Weston's done. Really LIKED it, and much as I may have greatly enjoyed it, likeable isn't something the Filth's been before. Next issue Mother Dirt spills all, allegedly...
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:36 / 13.03.03
I wasn't sure if The Eternal Bio-Ship Sharon Jones was 'giving' something to Tony or 'taking it back'. And that sure is a Bast statue - cheeky, pagan Feely.

I think "she" was picking up the little fish bowl that the I-life had been occupying. I recall Greg mentioning that at night he could see little lights in it.

can anyone remind me of Sharon again?
 
 
The Falcon
23:46 / 13.03.03
I think I'm missing something w/ Man Green/Man Yellow. Are they "supposed to be somebody"?

Storywise, I dunno - an entity that comprises singular and dual entities is interesting, but I'm sure I've seen/read about it elsewhere. Good, disorienting representation, though. Glassonion's above post mentions oddball modern artists Gilbert and George, who always appear in their pictures together. The scenes are obviously based on their particular art style.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
00:01 / 14.03.03
I loved the Schrodinger's Cat Trilogy Reference Noxin, Thats the evil president that Timothy Leary invents in an alternate universe where nixonnoxin is considered a farce. Fnord!

The green man is healthy nature
The Yellow man is sickness
The Filth is both.
 
 
LDones
00:48 / 14.03.03
W/ Man Green/Man Yellow I was wondering more if their images were of "sombody" or somebodies in particular. I'm unfamiliar w/ Gilbert & George.

Storywise, the character(s) are clear enough.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
07:38 / 14.03.03
The languaged used by Spector this month was easier to understand because it wasn’t as phonetically described as previous issues. I think this was a necessary tweak.

This was the most enjoyable shit-storm so far. I’m a real sucker for the ‘who’s writing this story’ shmuff. (see post numbers 574, 3 and 77 if you don’t believe me)

Cathedral scab batteries ahoy!

Dangerously high skill levels were employed in the creation of this script. Top 23 definitely.

The man Green/Man Yellow sequence: class.class.class. Reminded me of the madness found in the Pentagon’s bowels. Nice graphics too. Some kinda Dennis Potter looky fuckin likey doin a GilbertGee too. Weird.

Filth 9:

You make me feel,

Mighty real.
 
 
glassonion
09:02 / 14.03.03
chris weston doesn't live far from here. the chap in the queue ahead of me yesterday was swearing blind that man/yellow is taken from photos of this guy's brother. he was quite friendly with the shop staff who know weston a bit, and they didn't seem to think that he was lying. fucking geeks.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:13 / 14.03.03
I thought "Gilbert 'n' George!" too. Yes. Unpleasant.

Hot party, big fun.

Sexbeat.

All these things and more.
 
 
thedude
20:00 / 14.03.03
If anyone wants some help with the accent/dialogue, I'm from Glasgow (and it's Glaswegian dialect she's using, not a just a generic Scottish accent - believe me, there are significant differences!). Translations a speciality!
 
 
Jack Fear
20:07 / 14.03.03
Cameron's eyes change color every couple of pages - from green, to blue, to purple, etc. - I wonder if it's intentional.

I wouldn't doubt it: Moog Mercury's hair does, too. Typical Morrison thing, going back at least as far as Rebis's coat in DOOM PATROL.
 
 
The Falcon
01:59 / 15.03.03
Why does Cameron say 'nutten' for 'nothing', though? That's Irish, is it not?

I've never heard Scottish people use it.

Ignore this post.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
13:22 / 15.03.03
I like the fact that the Florists are building up to Valentines day 3 months in advance (according to the calendar at the vets)

The fishbowl reminded me of Flex Mentallo.
 
 
Poke it with a stick
15:18 / 15.03.03
For those who don't know, here's a link to the Guggenheim featuring Gibert and George:

http://www.guggenheimcollection.org/site/artist_work_md_521.html

They produced a series of pictures incorporating piss, shit, blood and cum (these also feature in the titles).
Utter nut-jobs, but quite entertainingly so - the sort of eccentrics Britain is a world leader in producing.
Incidentally, anyone else seen the Gilbert and George Rubik's cube?
 
 
Tamayyurt
16:23 / 15.03.03
I saw the green man/yellow man as the other side of BARBELiTH. (Probably because of the stop light colors. And I say 'other side' cause BARB. is usually portrayed as red and green.) But this could just be me still drawing parallels between the Filth and the Invisibles. I love i-life and I like that they consider greg their god/perserver. This also reminds of a Simpsons episode.
 
 
The Falcon
03:48 / 16.03.03
But this could just be me still drawing parallels between the Filth and the Invisibles.

This is not the New Criticism, you may have noted. Carry on as you were.
 
 
The Natural Way
15:05 / 16.03.03
I think I was the first one to start moaning about those kinds of comparisons, but, and I tried to make this plain at the time, the only thing that really fucked me off about them, was the tendency to check the similarities without actually going anywhere with them. It just seems a bit lazy. Impulsive - tell us what you think it MEANS.
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:39 / 16.03.03
Well, Ned's whole experience seemed very "I am not your father's god." to me. Kinda like Dane with the Aliens. However Barbelith, being healthy, either stops you, RED or lets you in, GREEN. There no lukewarm. G Man/Y Man being the induction into the crack and so not healthy/clean. Lets every-damed-thing in, GREEN, but tread with caution (yeild), YELLOW.

I need to read the issue again but this is the feeling I got.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:04 / 16.03.03
Well, I really liked it, though I did think the big reveal was, at times, a bit too much of Grant putting in weird shit just to show how hyperintelligent he is. So, the world of the Filth is, as far as they know, the 'real universe', and what we think is the real world is in fact a fiction written by the big giant hand. And one of the things the Filth use the ink for is to create comic fictional universes to grow their equipment. So how did the Filth start then?

Chris Weston's art this issue was superb. He really deserves an award for this, write down to the tiny note on page one warning vet staff about how prescriptions needed more than one signature.

But I think it was in issue 6 that Ned said he was beginning to remember why he left the Filth but this doesn't seem to have been followed up, in much the same way that the thing about the precise nature of Tony's illness was left for a couple of issues. And it's still not been explained why they brought him back, rather than making someone else Ned Slade. I now feel pretty positive that the last three issues are going to be amazing, and can I be the first to predict that either Mother Dirt or Le Pen are going to be Sparticus Hughes?
 
 
arcboi
22:56 / 16.03.03
I thought this was a great issue and Chris Weston's art was amazing. This just gets better and better. Needs more Secret Original and Moog Mercury though IMHO.

As for Spartacus Hughes, I suspect dear old Ned will be revealed to be the man himself.
 
 
the Fool
01:37 / 17.03.03
Do you think the big hand is in fact GM's own, stuck up his own crack? Its a funny metaphor.

I also like the way the cuts between Greg and Ned's lives are becoming more fuzzy. The cuts between the two halves of his life don't really fit together continuity wise (Such as where Ned and Cameron seem to be discussing Greg's life and its possible permutations as it happens). They are blurring into one, neither part can be got rid of. Greg just won't be flushed down the loo. But is Ned just a psychotic dellusion? The 'reality' of Greg seems more and more made up (like some tabloid trash), while Ned's life seems (despite its dayglo stylings) more and more mundane and 'un-fun' (very much work and 'real').
 
 
dejavaed
02:59 / 17.03.03
I really liked this issue.

I guess it's because Promethea just finished the Kabbalah trip, but I'm seeing a heck a lot of Kabbilistic symbolism in this series (which I beieve was Grant's intention).

I remember when Promethea first went up the Tree of Life, I did a search on Kabbalah, and one of the things I found (I think it was on Coilin Low's web site) was the idea of Da'ath being a great big Garbage heap. The writer went on to say (I'm paraphrasing) that he was a computer programmer, and that in the systems he works with there is a thing called a .. garbage collector? I think that's what it was called. I think the java language uses it. Anyways, this was where objects no longer used by the system were recycled / reincarnated, and the storage space they used were reallocated. It was something like that. Anyways, when GM talkd about Filth being about Da'ath, that article immediatly came to my mind.

So, I don't know how corect this is, but maybe a part of the Filth is mapping the tree of life onto a comic book? That is, the comic is the representation of the lower spheres, Daath is the "no man's land" between the page and the reader, and the pen nib touching the page is where the creator's energies enter the universe of the comic book (see issue 3). That hand we see is Chris Weston's maybe? Grant and Chris (and maybe Karen?) are the GodHead of the Filth? (Brrrr. That's a scary thought).

A different mapping might be with the editor, writer, penciller, inker, colorist, etc. representing different spheres on the creation ladder down on unitl you get the finished comic? But where would the distributors fit it?

The hand in issue 9 was pretty interesting. It would be even cooler if there was another one on the borders of the page / Filth universe holding the edges and reading it.

What do you think?
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
03:10 / 17.03.03
The ink is what Anders Klimakks, uh shot. I think it is also the anti-mirror from the invisibles.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:48 / 17.03.03
Up in the sky tonight: The Ink. From which we all emerge. Simple really.

And the hand holding the pen is a brill metaphor for the reader, writer, editor...whatever. Really neat description of where the creative energies of the individual meet the page/world/blah. Don't need to overcomplicate it with pics of fingers thumbing pages.
 
 
glassonion
09:39 / 19.03.03
second reading just last night. yes. tarantula-churchill-'does an impression'-if you poke a tarantula it rears up its two frontest legs making a v-for-victory sign yes? of all the divisions of the hand, none of them have the old gm fave two-fingered salute. the discordians claim they reveived the churchill-Vs for the sixties because of the embedded twenty-three [2 fingers up, 3 down]. nixonoxin looks as if it was built using standard iot tecniques of psiform activation, palindromise the name to make it nonsense and barbarous enough to work subconsciously. hamsters, for those confused are according to tabloid tradition always either shoved up your arse or eaten by sinister comedians. i feel really sorry for everyone who works for the filth, so i don't mind if greg takes his responsibility of preserver seriously and a]kills everyone or b] doesn't kill everyone. why 1952? is that just the shape the crack took in the post-nuclear mcluhan media age? what cleared all the shit up before then? did the pioneers go down there at the dawn of time only to emergein 1952, time having rocked-on without them? this is the best fucking comic ever at the moment, you know it is.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:09 / 26.03.03
Grant is right-on about the uses of dolphins (sort of)

Yahoo News

Dolphins Help Spot Mines in Iraq War
1 hour, 18 minutes ago
3/26/03

CAMP AS SALIYAH, Qatar - Coalition forces have brought in two specially trained bottle-nosed Atlantic dolphins to help ferret out mines in the approaches of the port of Umm Qasr, Maj. Gen. Victor Renuart of the Central Command said Tuesday.

The dolphins will help clear the way for the shipment of humanitarian aid to allied-held southern Iraq (news - web sites), Renuart said.

"Our maritime forces are hard at work supporting air operations, maintaining security to the Arabian Gulf for all shipping and completing the difficult task of de-mining Iraqi waters," Renuart said. "They're even using some unique techniques. We have some specially trained dolphins that are out there helping us to determine where mines may be in the channels."

The dolphins, named Makai and Tacoma, were flown into Umm Qasr by U.S. Navy (news - web sites) helicopters Tuesday night and were expected to begin searching for mines on Wednesday, according to pool reports.

The dolphins are taught to avoid touching the mines, which might cause them to explode, said Capt. Mike Tillotson, a Navy bomb disposal expert. He said there was little risk to animals doing this kind of work.

The biggest hazard could come from other indigenous dolphins in the waters of Umm Qasr.

Dolphins are territorial and there is a fear local dolphins might drive the interlopers out, causing them to go AWOL.

The Navy started using marine mammals in the early 1960s, when military researchers began looking into how sea mammals' highly developed senses — like dolphins' sonar — could be harnessed to locate mines and do other underwater tasks.

Dolphins were used in the 1970s during the Vietnam War. In the late 1980s, six Navy dolphins patrolled the Bahrain harbor to protect U.S. ships from enemy swimmers and mines and escorted Kuwaiti oil tankers through potentially dangerous waters.

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Soon, like the apes in the PLANET OF THE APES movies, the dolphins will surpass us and take over...
 
 
Jack Fear
14:26 / 26.03.03
Plus the landmine-sweeping monkeys that the Moroccans are donating. This war resembles the world of THE FILTH more and more each day...
 
 
Warewullf
19:38 / 26.03.03
I like the fact that the Florists are building up to Valentines day 3 months in advance (according to the calendar at the vets)


I noticed this. The vet's calendar says November 14. Valentine's Day is Feb 14. Exactly 3 months later.

Perhaps it's something to do with "Time means nothing to Man Green/Man Yellow"?


And, uh, I really don't think I understood the "Mitachondrial DNA" bit...
 
 
The Natural Way
12:03 / 27.03.03
Go and read Robert Anton Wilson. Or check out some parents and their kids.
 
 
Warewullf
21:14 / 27.03.03
The Police warned me not to do that anymore...
 
  

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