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The Military

 
 
The Monkey
22:03 / 22.01.02
Lots of people criticize "the Military" as though it was a trans-national phenomenon un-bounded by political/states entities.
What gives? It seems to me that the military is simply one wing of authoritarian, governing forces of a "nation," and, by extension, that the flaws and misdeeds of the military are inherently derived and attributable to the state.
Yes, we all like the image of the "kill 'em all" general who's the bad guy, but how do we reconcile this with the fact that the all the tactical decisions are being made by the politicians? Consider the conflict between MacArthur and Truman over the 54th Parallel, and the fact that Vietnam was micro-managed not by tacticians, but by elected officials and bureaucrats.
The miliary is a tool of the state to monopolize violence, for better and worse...it is the prophylactic against other nominal "states" and "nations" using violence
to extract resources from the populace, thus ensuring that the resources are there for your (hypothetical) authoritarian structure to extract [very Marxist terms, but as clear as I can put it].

In short, why is that the majority of liberal and radical dialogue persists in operating in terms of the "Military-Industrial Complex," when in fact the problem are the "Political-Industrial Complexes" that misuses their monopoly(ies) of violence? Are we creating a straw bogeyman?
 
 
sleazenation
07:47 / 23.01.02
In theory the military is subordinate to politicians - the politicians propose and the military dispose but it doesn't always work like that as anyone who has seen a military backed coup can testify.

Why do many people distrust the military? Well, they've got all the best guns and they know how to use 'em
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
14:52 / 23.01.02
quote:Originally posted by [infinite monkeys]:
Yes, we all like the image of the "kill 'em all" general who's the bad guy, but how do we reconcile this with the fact that the all the tactical decisions are being made by the politicians? Consider the conflict between MacArthur and Truman over the 54th Parallel, and the fact that Vietnam was micro-managed not by tacticians, but by elected officials and bureaucrats.


While I agree with your post, this probably wasn't the best example of the point I think you were trying to make, as MacArthur wanted to use the atom bomb and the only thing that stopped him was, ironically, Truman.
 
 
Slim
15:47 / 23.01.02
quote:Why do many people distrust the military? Well, they've got all the best guns and they know how to use 'em

Personally, I am an advocate the USA having the strongest military in the world. I only distrust it in the sense that the military doesn't report to the people like it should. It seems to be that the military is free to act on its own, performing secret operations without alerting the public.
 
 
alas
19:28 / 23.01.02
well, first, the US spends so much money on the military it is, quite simply, obscene. it's not so much the rank and file personnel that most progressive sorts distrust, it's the undergirding principal of militarism, that violence (at least that violence done in the service of those with power/capital) solves problems and is virtually infinitely justifiable.

Second, there's the hypocrisy of the way violence is treated in highly-militarized cultures like the US: we are "tough on crime": we lock up "violent offenders"; we treat juveniles who commit "violent crimes" as adults, but then we turn around and enforce through numerous institutionalized, material, and discursive structures an essentially mandatory kowtow at the shrines to our military power, for "those willing to fight and die for their country."

Meanwhile, back on main street, PTAs are scraping together nickles and dimes to put computers--even just one per room--into their elementary school classrooms. They're holding bake sales, and, worse, listening to the spiels of "business liaisons" who will help pay for the computer BUT ONLY in exchange for free marketing opportunities: a free onramp into our kids' brains. At the same time the military--cozying up to the politicians, who are often former military men--gets a blank check to drop daisy cutters onto civilian populations.

so i understand the point of the question, and agree that the politicians and our culture's contradictory attitudes towards violence and adulation of a specific kind of militarized masculinity, in general, must bear the brunt of the blame, but that's the culture that people involved in the military benefit from, and rarely challenge in a substantive way.

<edited for clarity>

[ 24-01-2002: Message edited by: alas ]
 
  
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