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Innocence versus Exprerience

 
 
The Planet of Sound
20:38 / 21.01.02
Moving on from the 'Class' thread, where I apologise to all for my heated contretemps with Flyboy ('It could've been so beautiful, but...')

Some issues have popped up, to my mind. Dr Johnson, when criticised for being a theatre critic, without ever having written a play, replied 'I do not need to be a carpenter to know if a chair is comfortable'. But he didn't deny that he would, at least, have had to have sat in a fucking chair.

If I were to appear on TV as a 'jumpers for goalposts' style football pundit, would it not be relevant that a/ I'd at least seen a game of football, b/ I had some professional experience of the game?

I guess I'm somewhat intrigued by the issues raised about emotional involvement in street crime not being 'educationally valid'; as if it's possible to seperate emotions from intellectual endeavour (Fact: recent research on people with brain lesions which affect their 'emotion centres' has shown that these people become incapable of making the slightest decision, ie 'skimmed or semi-skimmed milk with cornflakes?'. The real life Mr. Spock would be something of a social inadequate.)

I'd like to hear what people think. Theory versus practice? Ideas versus knowledge? Intuition versus fact?
 
 
The Planet of Sound
20:40 / 21.01.02
And that's 'Experience', dammit. Never post post pub.
 
 
—| x |—
06:00 / 22.01.02
quote:Originally posted by The Planet of Sound:
I'd like to hear what people think. Theory versus practice? Ideas versus knowledge? Intuition versus fact?


Not having read the class thread--and not about to either!--I'm not sure what you are refering to, and I wonder how much of this comes from the conversation at the pub? But of course, this is all irrelevant to the following!

It seems to me that the ideal is to go for the balance between the three pairs that you list. I think that, for me anyway, it should be the goal to make theory practice, and practice theory. No, I'm not trying to be snide, but it makes sense that the theories you pick to be pets ought to be ones which reflect the way you exist in the world, and vice-versa: this is theory as practice.

It also seems to me that ideas and knowledge share a mutual breeding ground that stems from the theory & practice: what are ideas if not products (in a functional and not a materialistic sense!) of the practice of life, and what is knowledge without our theories from which this beast is derived?

Intuition and facts are a little harder for me to fit into this frame: the frame of removing the 'vs.' that you insert between the elements of these three pairs and subbing in an '&.' Perhaps it can be said that we need an intuition of fact before we can establish it as knowledge, or even recognize its validity as fact?

Seems similar to the way I might approach a problem (mathematics or otherwise): I need to have an intuition of what is the case, and how to establish it as such before I can even get started!

Further, seems to me that there is thus a UNION between the three pairs of complements and that this union--theory & practice U ideas & knowledge U intuition & fact--is a healthy part of what each individual is responsible for with respect to his or her own well lived life (pretend that makes sense).

But all that babble and I don't see how any of it fits into the title of the thread, but those are some thoughts, for what it's worth.

T'ain't much,
7 + 8 = 0 (mod 5)
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
06:00 / 22.01.02
James Robinson has never played football, or shown much interest in it, and yet is strangely rather better at presenting a football programme than most ex-footballers. See also Des Lynam. Was he the lord of match of the day because of his experience of fotball or his experience of being a presenter? And how does "experience as a presenter" differ from "knowing how to be a presenter", with that knowledge acquired through education - learning by looking at other people doing things and seeing how successful oneself is at doing the same things, including how one feels and what feelings are engendered in others?

My experience suggests that you are still trying to justify a point from a previous thread, and thus that unless this thread evolves away from that reasonably quickly it's a bit pointless. My "innocence", the rather odd way you have chosen to suggest as the best noun for all non-practical experience (however you cut that cake), would respectfully suggest that "emotional understanding of street crime" is a phrase describing an enlightened, counsellor-like understanding of the emotions which cause street crime. What you were claiming was specifically that the emotions experienced as a result of being a victim of street crime made you more competent to talk about the existence or otherwise of a "criminal underclass" and the validity of that term than anyone who had not experienced those emotions.
 
 
The Natural Way
06:00 / 22.01.02
Mummy, whyfore is Planet of Sound weird masochist?
 
  
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