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The Second Coming

 
  

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Ganesh
20:27 / 09.02.03
Anyone else watching this? It's what Russell T Davies went on to do after 'Bob & Rose'; it's an ITV two-parter exploring the implications of the Son of God returning to Earth in the body of, erm, an underachieving video-shop assistant from Salford, Manchester.

First impressions are, despite the dodgy premise, good: Christopher Eccleston's intensity is carrying the iffier moments, and the subtler references (Rabbi Shorovsky harks back to the golden days of 'Fame', Police Chief of Manchester apparently takes 'higher orders' from God) are delightfully in-jokey. There's a fabulous moment when live coverage of his first miracle is abruptly halted - because it's the BBC and he's sworn before the watershed.

Weak points include the distinctly 1980s 'Omen' style glowing eyes of the (I'm assuming) followers of Satan. Satan himself, though (if that piggy guy's him) is rather amusingly portrayed as a crap seducer.

Apparently there's a 'controversial' ending to the second part, tomorrow evening...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:11 / 09.02.03
Missed it. Was hoping that it'd be repeated on ITV2 soon, but no. They're probably playing it safe, waiting to see how the press respond and trying to avoid any uproar similar to the Brass Eye debacle.
 
 
arcboi
22:10 / 09.02.03
Surprisingly entertaining with some great throwaway lines - a taxi turns up after midnight and Eccleston's character goes: "Now that's a miracle...".
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:39 / 09.02.03
Wasn't impressed when he left his friend Judith to walk home on her own - what kind of Son of God is he anyway?
 
 
Ganesh
22:58 / 09.02.03
Ah, but she'll betray him in the end, ol' Judy...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:48 / 10.02.03
I can't believe I didn't notice the Judas/Judith thing until just now. Of course. (Although Davies could be setting us up to expect this, only to do something else...)

If Judith is to play the same role as Judas, then arguably there is a reason why Steve not only let her walk home alone but also allowed her to be exposed to demonic influences: if she does betray him, it may all be part of the Plan - for the greater good, etc, like the first time round. But regardless, it's quite in character for Steve to act in bizarre ways that ordinary people might consider inappropriate or even inconsiderate - Jesus was always doing this sort of thing.

I thought it was superb, anyway. Surprisingly reverent, and hitting just the right balance between comedy ("he's the Son of God! but he's from Salford!") and drama - ie, not too much of the former. I don't know if I'd agree that it's a dodgy premise, but it's certainly one which would have been pretty easy to fuck up. A large part of why it works is due to Christopher Ecclestone's performance, which I think is quite jaw-droppingly good, so good that I struggle to think offhand of another actor who could carry the role so well, at least the way Davies has written it. He's just great - whether as the holy fool running around the moors grinning manically and whispering "I'm the Son of God!"; or the beatific expression on his face when he's sleeping in the hospital; the amazing scene in the cafe when he's clearly eating his first fry-up for a month and goes from telling the priest character to piss off, then "Congratulations, you're one of the few" when he realises Father James truly believes, and finally the look on his face when he's asked what happens to humanity if they don't believe him this time... And the first 'sermon' - of course, that's what I'd say if I was the Son of God and returned to Earth at this point: "You stupid, stupid people..." Davies has clearly done his homework, in that he's able to present a Son of God who seems consistent with the Gospels and *because* of this, not in spite of it, has little truck with organised Christianity, no problem with homosexuality etc...

Few points:

1) The Police Chief is taking his orders from Downing Street, I think, not directly from God. Presumably Trendy Vicar Tony Blair thinks he's going along with God's plan, though (I did think the "matter of individual faith" quote was a great parody of Blair).

2) I actually quite liked the "evil eyes" way of representing the 'Devil'. The first time we encounter them, there's been barely any supernatural content so far, so it's quite chilling when the homeless guy suddenly calls Judith by name (and then the great device of the woman looking for directions who at first seems like a reassuring presence, but ooooh no - Davies knows how to do creepy, after all he used to write scary kids' telly). I don't think the people are followers of Satan per se, just people who are possessed occasionally, although it's implied that this is because they may be individually vulnerable - lost souls.

3) Possibly my favourite gag, and symptomatic of the brilliant take Davies has on this idea, is the fact that after discovering he's the Son of God, Steve *takes up* smoking...
 
 
Shortfatdyke
07:48 / 10.02.03
Well after a slightly muddled first twenty minutes, I thought this was absolutely wonderful. A miracle at Man City's football ground! (they certainly need that, etc). Wandering for 40 days and 40 nights over Saddleworth Moor! It's all understated just enough to make it believable, apart, as Ganesh says, from the slightly over evil glint in eyes. But I'm looking forward to the second part.

And to think this is on ITV. Wooh!
 
 
that
08:28 / 10.02.03
Sounds interesting. Wish I could have watched it, but the telly was fucked...
 
 
Saveloy
09:43 / 10.02.03
Absolutely facking fantastic, I'm gagging for the next episode. It is pointing towards Judith doing the dirty. She's been the only one to encounter the demonic/posessed so far, and was led to the scientist-believer by the possessed woman in the car "as if it's important to someone that I believe," and that 'someone' looks like being the Devil.
I'm with Flyboy on the evil eyes - the first appearance with the woman in the car, with the instant change in mid-sentence from tearful to vicious ("blood and shit!") put the screaming willies up me. And the blip on the videotape too - brrrr! I like the fact that it appears to be just a row of reflected white lights, rather than the standard snake eyes or glowing red cornea.
 
 
Milky Joe
14:05 / 10.02.03
It isn't 'brimstone and treacle' but is much better than the formula written police/hospital shows the programme makers usually churn out.
I agree that 'The Second Coming' has many flaws but it is the best play/drama I have seen for a while. I hope the second part is as good as the first. Christopher Ecclestone is fantastic for this part as he has a genuine man of the people feel about him.

I didn't mind the evil eyes. I didn't mind any of it. Again I admit it wasn't perfect but I'm just pleased that something different was on for a change.
 
 
Ganesh
18:25 / 10.02.03
I didn't realise until near the end (Fat Satan on video) that the eyes were a subtler 'reflected lights' rather than slit-pupils; I agree it's not as bad as it could've been. I liked the miracles and reckoned that, what with Davies' poof credentials, the final one was a sideways reference to the Admiral Duncan nail-bombing, just as I thought the Chief of Police with 'higher orders' was a nod toward Anderton. Could well be wrong, though.
 
 
Ganesh
20:36 / 10.02.03
Wow. I really liked that ending.

(If I had the Devil's voice on video, though, I'd be tempted to play the tape backwards to see exactly which 70s metal gurus were on the B-side...)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:08 / 10.02.03
Steven Baxter = Barbelith! (The placenta thing, not us...)

Yeah, that was unspeakably ace.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
22:12 / 10.02.03
Controversial!

I liked that quite a lot actually. Still think it could have used a bit more work (some of the ending annoyed me a bit, but I liked the sentiment). But overall - in agreement with most here, it seems, niggles aside - this is the best telly I've seen in a while.
 
 
Tamayyurt
22:49 / 10.02.03
They will never show this in the states will they?
 
 
Ganesh
22:50 / 10.02.03
They'll make their own version, where the Good Guys prevail against the Axis of Evil.
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
23:32 / 10.02.03
There was a hint of "The Amber Spyglass" about the ending...
 
 
Smoothly
07:32 / 11.02.03
Impulsivelad - I believe it has been sold to the US (not sure to whom exactly - I'll have to find out). It's out on DVD next week though.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
09:12 / 11.02.03
Excellent stuff.

About the ending - to my surprise I found it incredibly sad: no God, no Devil, no Heaven or Hell. Official. In that last scene, it just felt as if people no longer had anything to aspire to. But it could easily have finished with Baxter's death.
 
 
Sax
10:10 / 11.02.03
After talking this up constantly for the past two days I find I now have nothing to add to the Barbelith discussion other than this was possibly the best bit of telly I've seen for yonks and expect to see this year.

The whole ending of Judith coming up with the third testament of the removal of God/predestination by "closing down the family firm" (loved that line) was so well-thought out it made me ache with desire to have written the thing myself.

Some great points from the first series: all the TV shows in the aftermath of the Maine Road Event - Richard Madeley being as stupid as ever, Trisha ("today we're talking about men who think they're God"), the TV reporter breaking down and suddenly believing right there on camera... and some genuinely creepy scenes with the Devil, particularly the woman asking for directions in the car. Brrr.

Can't wait to read the Daily Mail's review.
 
 
invisible_al
11:00 / 11.02.03
Saw bits and pieces of this and the end just seemed so incredibly sad, that's there's no wonder left in the world, people just picking up the pieces and getting on with stuff. I have trouble describing what that last scene was like, banal doesn't explain it right, anyone else care to have a go?
I loved the 'closing down the family firm' scene, 'don't want to go' and 'Power mad, thats the time to call it day', Christopher Eccelston is a brilliant actor, as is the woman who was playing Judith.
Wonder how it'll go down in the states?
 
 
Bear
11:37 / 11.02.03
Quite brave of ITV I thought, more of a Channel 4 type show really. I think that's probably why I didn't watch the first episode thought it was just one of their crime dramas that they churn out every week.

So am I the only person who didn't think it was that great? Guess I can't really comment only seeing the 2nd part.

Wouldn't worry about it being sad though al - there's still all the other Gods and religions spread across the world or did they state that Christianity was the only one true religion?
 
 
Bear
11:40 / 11.02.03
Quite brave of ITV I thought, more of a Channel 4 type show really. I think that's probably why I didn't watch the first episode thought it was just one of their crime dramas that they churn out every week.

So am I the only person who didn't think it was that great? Guess I can't really comment only seeing the 2nd part.

Wouldn't worry about it being sad though al - there's still all the other Gods and religions spread across the world or did they state that Christianity was the only one true religion?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:14 / 11.02.03
I didn't find this controversial at all, probably because the end was pretty much what I was taught to believe, it would have been more controversial if fire and brimstone had rained from the sky and Judith had clicked her fingers and stopped it. Ha, I would have enjoyed that. It all quite improbable- religious fanatics would never believe that Steve Baxter was the Son of God but I was glad to see Davies back on Dark Season form!
 
 
Smoothly
12:26 / 11.02.03
Channel 4 were offered it but turned it down. I think it was quite brave of ITV, but exactly the kind of thing ITV should do more of. Accessible, popular and quality.
 
 
Ganesh
12:26 / 11.02.03
Bear: Well, that was the 'dodgy premise' aspect for me; the idea that the God of the Bible really is sole Creator of absolutely everything (including all the other, older deities and religions), that Heaven and Hell are real places and moral virtue is a readily measurable quantity. Still, taking that as read, everything else was entirely consistent.
 
 
Sax
12:33 / 11.02.03
I knew Jonny Tyler was the Devil from the moment I saw him turning down the offer of a hula-hooping mouse with his Aero.
 
 
Saveloy
12:51 / 11.02.03
bear:

"So am I the only person who didn't think it was that great? Guess I can't really comment only seeing the 2nd part."

The second part wasn't as compelling as the first (though still great), and must have been even even less so on its own. I recommend seeing the first if you get the chance.

Agree with the several others that it was the best telly in a very long time. It reminded me very much of the sort of one-off, cheap British sci-fi / speculative drama that you used to see a lot more of before the 90s. I'm thinking Nigel Kneale, "The Sex Olympics", that sort of thing. Small casts... large scale events successfully presented without much in the way of FX... what FX there are being simple but imaginative... left you thinking about it on the bus on the way in to work the next day... jumpers for goal posts etc.

Favourite line: "I've got 50 billion gigabytes of information and I'm downloading it into a pocket calculator!"

Also liked the clip of Germaine Greer saying exactly the sort of thing Germaine Greer would say. I wonder if that was scripted or ad libbed?
 
 
The Natural Way
13:06 / 11.02.03
What?

That sucked. Shitannoying music, embarassing dialogue...oh, and it turns out God had better fuck off so that we can all be responsible for our own lives! REVELATION!

Some alright ideas, but overall really suckily executed.

I don't get you guys.
 
 
Saveloy
13:16 / 11.02.03
It's not that you don't get us, Runce, it's that you are wrong.

Ganesh:
"Well, that was the 'dodgy premise' aspect for me; the idea that the God of the Bible really is sole Creator of absolutely everything (including all the other, older deities and religions), that Heaven and Hell are real places and moral virtue is a readily measurable quantity."

Ha, you were the barbecue-planning doctor at the end and I claim my 5 pounds! All of those things were a big part of what made it so enjoyable, for me. I remember reading an interview with Davies in which he was talking about The Second Coming as his next project. He was very, very keen to avoid the sort of woolly "of course, he's not really God" affair that the average broadsheet critic would approve of.

Of course, this didn't stop the Independant billing it as being about "mass credulity" , which it completely f..king wasn't but is probably what they wanted it to be.

Btw, did your Aunt watch it, Ganesh? I'd be interested to know what she thought of it.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:16 / 11.02.03
Yeah, I noticed the Germaine Greer clip as well, I got a stare from everyone else in the living room because they didn't get why I was laughing.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
13:17 / 11.02.03
Sounds interesting. I hope it comes to US TV somehow.

More carchases and it's in.
 
 
Ganesh
13:20 / 11.02.03
Well, Runce, the whole 'if Jesus came back today he'd be locked up in a loony bin' concept is hardly a new one either - but when's the last time these ideas were properly explored in any sort of UK drama, much less an ITV drama? When's the last time a decent writer took the ball and ran with it? I honestly don't think you can fault the execution: it reminded me of 'Ultraviolet' in its near-perfect presentation of compelling but potentially-ludicrous subject matter held just within the boundaries of belief by credible writing and a fine ensemble cast.

Haven't been in touch with my Aunt for ages but I doubt she'd have watched it - and if she had, it'd hardly have been the sort of thing to shake her faith.

But yeah, I liked the barbecue doctor too.

"Good luck tonight!"
 
 
Smoothly
14:18 / 11.02.03
I agree that it was really crucial that they avoided opting for the 'Is he or isn't he? That's for you to decide' approach. For me, the best thing about it was that he absolutely fucking was the Son of God.
By the way, for those who missed it, it's out on DVD on Monday 17th. Available from all good retailers etc.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
15:13 / 11.02.03
D'you mean this guy?

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,7493,463522,00.html
 
  

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