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something we can all agree on finally, those pesky fence-sitters.

 
  

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Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:18 / 16.07.04
Maybe we could each make tents and embroider them with the names of our sexual partners...

But bi's aren't untrustworthy because they're going to rape you (if you're looking for a word to describe that kind of behaviour 'untrustworthy' wouldn't cover it), bis are seen as untrustworthy because as the potential range of attractiveness is wider they're obviously going to dump you and go for someone else, who might not even be the same sex as you. It's the old 'but if you're gay then you must want to have sex with all men all the time' writ bigger.
 
 
Jester
19:54 / 16.07.04
I wonder what it is that makes people equate the possibility that you're going to want to sleep with someone of the... um... whichever-gender-depending-on-the-situation, with the automatic assumption that you *will*?

Is it just that it challenges the comfortable assumption that your partner will be able to find everything they need in you, to the exclusion of the rest of the world?
 
 
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14:33 / 17.07.04
I was referring specifically to the announcement that bi's are more likely to "take advantage of you without your consent" a few posts ago, and while Jefe may have meant something else it sounds an awful lot like te is referring to rape or something similar. If not, Jefe, I'm sorry for having misinterpreted your words (maybe that makes me untrustworthy).

Okay. This is all possible to overcome in a relationship, if both partners are willing to talk about their fears and feelings and the depth of commitment they were willing to make. But if the root of biphobia is fear of being dumped, this shouldn't really apply to situations of casual contact. A lesbian for example could have a reputation for one night stands or sleeping around and still be welcomed in the lesbian community in the way that a bisexual person would often not. Bisexuals are often looked at with suspicion by people who are not going to be in a relationship with them anyway.

So I see two other possibilities, both already mentioned-- that bisexuals are suspicious characters because they represent a fluidity of sexual desire which may transgress the accepted categories of gay and straight and may thus make monosexuals question their own sexuality, which is uncomfortable, or that bisexuals are suspicious characters because there is a WAR going on, DAMMIT, and we can't let defectors from the other side into our ranks! Te might be a SPY! Te might leak critical information about the GAY AGENDA to the ENEMY!

Which seems sort of silly, now that I think about it.
 
 
Ex
11:57 / 18.07.04
Jefe did say that the bisexual "represents" this - I think/hope he was in the area of symbolic positions, or stereotypes. But it can be confusing when you're discussing that manner of thing.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:15 / 18.07.04
I've been thinking about this for a few days, I can't say any way to frame bisexuality in the realms of straight or queer to defend it against those that want to accuse of greed, dishonesty whatever. I think we need to design a new paradigm for sexuality with bisexuality at it's centre and straight and gay as subsets of that. As to how we do this, I have no idea, though I think Queer by Choice might have some useful ideas to plunder and adapt. Any of the TBs out there know of theorists and authors who might be building this new worldview already?
 
 
No star here laces
15:42 / 18.07.04
I really just meant that this is a possibility inherent in bisexuals which technically isn't inherent in 'pure' homo- or hetero-sexuals...

So the critique against the "bi-try" thing being that they don't really "mean it" i.e. may lead you on.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
04:12 / 19.07.04
Is it just that it challenges the comfortable assumption that your partner will be able to find everything they need in you, to the exclusion of the rest of the world?

Kiiiinda, I'd think... except that rather than springing purely from a super-possessive desire to be everything to your partner, I think it might come from the simple statement of fact that while I can be more sensitive or more demanding or more present or less clingy in response to my partner's needs, I have no chance of being more vulva-having. I can imagine that seeming threatening to someone who isn't ordinarily a control freak.
 
 
gravitybitch
04:30 / 19.07.04
Actually, gentlething, I don't think you're that far off the mark with your observation about a "war"...

Having a gay or lesbian identity has a political component (maybe the presence of the political component is what differentiates between having the identity vs just being G or L?), and bisexuality can easily be interpreted as a disavowal of the G/L community and political values. And, especially now in the US, politics is incredibly important and sex has become very politicized...

Likewise, it's seen as more of an insult somehow if you get dumped by a bisexual and hir new beau isn't the same gender you are. "It's just not fair!"

As far as building a new paradigm - how about the old saw, "I fall in love with PEOPLE, not their gonads," as a starting point?
 
 
gravitybitch
04:33 / 19.07.04
Arrg. Crossed posts again.

I have no chance of being more vulva-having. I can imagine that seeming threatening to someone who isn't ordinarily a control freak. is a really good example of the "It's just not fair," sort of thing I was hinting at.
 
  

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