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Be careful with Chaos

 
  

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Unconditional Love
00:41 / 11.07.04
no steering no controlling,just surfing and catching the flow, watching til the wave is right, and when your drowning learning a new way to swim or to breath underwater.
 
 
the cat's iao
03:09 / 11.07.04
Ah yes, the ole, "when in deep water become a diver" trick.
 
 
Unconditional Love
12:01 / 11.07.04
or an octopus, which ever works.
 
 
Unconditional Love
13:25 / 11.07.04
dagonic astral revellers trident in one arm conch in other and in the others human head and the other all five webbed fingers joined all elements mergered as one in the liquid contemplation, the three worlds, the vibration of exsistence, the human head always trying to give form shape make sense of the chaos, cut off, cut up, no longer masterbating in its crazed shapes.

merging elements like liquid, pre embryonic sexual fluids down in the deep, tantrists of mumu, no form for fucking, liquid consciousness in orgasmic bliss, under the waves, without form, void, land dwellers, form fetishists consumed in the primacy of erotic gloop, no man women child or animal spared, fucked and consumed, eaten and strewn, bones washed up upon the shore and left to bleech in the rays of sunlight, mardukian law givers collecting there dead, not seeing the thought for the corpse it is.

in the primal ooze dagonesses becoming sexual fluids flowing through every orifice, in the blood and mucus, orgasm in every form, til no form, formless bliss, dissolving, the ocean, formed less, no in formation.

wave goodbye.
 
 
Mako is a hungry fish
16:39 / 04.05.07
Seems a shame to bump this thread after it left on such a high note, but what the hell :P

So be careful invoking or working with Chaos directly as it may turn around and bite you.

If one considers chaos to be the inability to perceive order, does that mean that (apart from chaos only being a matter of perception) working with Chaos and having it lead to Chaotic events negates this being Chaotic, in a tiny way?

I.E cause = work with chaos
effect = chaotic events
cause & effect = order

But then, my interpretation of Chaos Magick is obviously an eccentric one - I don't recognise Chaos as a specific energy at all.

I recognise it in the sense that I don't recognise it, where the order of cause and effect are beyond my grasp.
 
 
Unconditional Love
20:24 / 05.05.07
whoa i scare myself now.
 
 
Unconditional Love
20:50 / 05.05.07
Was that really me? nah cant of been, but i guess it was. Then. How things can change in the space of 3 years.
 
 
This Sunday
21:12 / 05.05.07
What handle were you under, back then, Wolf of? I really wasn't associating you as a longtime poster, which I'm hoping is a name-change and not that I just vaguely blanked on you over the past few.

And, to weigh in on the topic at hand: Chaos and order in terms of entropy? Sure, that I can get behind, because it requires a larger platform to put the set pieces on and measure their development. Chaos or order extant? Order extant is lying to yourself real good. Chaos; lying to yourself real good while looking over the horizon.

In terms of a localized effect, I can get into, though. All things proceed to crystallization. To cooling and affect. Activity keeps kicking the crystal into funny shapes, for functionality, sustainment, and entertainment purposes. It's simply a matter of keeping a good measure of the entropy. Don't take your guns to town, much less pick up a rock to head to a gunfight. Don't go swimming through a granite hill if you've eaten anything in the past fifteen minutes.

Chaos magick, always struck me as connecting the maths systems put under 'chaos' more than some classical mode. Inherent system-building. We live in narrativising cultures, in both a social and an experimental/examination sense. And we make the territory fit the map.

Chaos magick, as a practice, kinda lost its point when it became a very solid practice. It's like taking information theory as your window and never noticing the pretty frame, or the latch that lets you get out onto the grass and snow beyond.
 
 
Mako is a hungry fish
00:36 / 06.05.07
So what are your thoughts on this subject, now that three years have passed? Are the still the same and it's just how you'd express them them that has changed, or are they different just as you are?
 
 
Unconditional Love
08:37 / 06.05.07
Yeah i was about in one form or another, cant remember the handle something with wolf or angel in it probably.

I think i used chaos magick as a crutch to hide away in magickal fantasy land, with some very bizzare influences from some authors that now i have better researched i wouldn't touch with a barge pole, i am not going to name names.

I think chaos magick needs time to grow up, it needs to mature. Its alright saying that its an entrance level kind of pursuit as some people attribute to it, but that wont let it grow and get older, it will either fade away or grow as its practitioners grow if they don't seek other paths of fulfillment.

That means its practitioners mature and grow, i think i see that happening with some of the younger authors in the field who are attempting to make headway. Alot of the older products of chaos magic are in a sense of there time and reflect those times, things have moved on alot from then, pretty quickly, if it is indeed seen as flux and change, it needs to adapt and survive and not just become another reshuffle of the 80's.

Taylor elwoods work is a good example of modern chaos magick for me as is Lupa's, a good look around there website reveals that they are trying to create a mature intelligent approach while keeping a sense of joy to there practice.

Chaos magick had a certain degree of politics and rebellion about it which appealed to me when i was a teen and 20 something, those practices are not mature enough for me now, in the sense that they seem to lack depth. But i still utilise those beginnings in different forms with what i have added to with research from over the last 7 years or so.

My conception of my practice has changed as has my relationship to the idea of chaos magick, perhaps the notion of chaos will mature with all of those whom keep it alive in there practice in one form or another, whether that is very diluted by more traditional practices or it still remains at the forefront of a practitioners magickal vehicle.

Reruns of the 80's are not evolution or progress.
 
  

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