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PKD's Exegesis of the soul: A Barbelith Project

 
  

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Tamayyurt
05:11 / 30.01.03
Does Sybil=plasmate=Ikhnaton=holy spirit=christ???

I think the Sybil was a homoplasmate. Once the homo part dies the plasmate moves on (and I mean, she did. As information in the pages of Ovid's Metamorphosis) The Holy Spirit is the Plasmate. And Jesus (the guy was a homoplasmate) but the Christ (I think he calls it Christos) was the plasmate. If you're a DS9 fan think of it as, Jadzia Dax. Dax is the plasmate and Jadzia is the Homoplasmate.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
19:39 / 30.01.03
http://www.barbelith.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PhilKDicksExegesis

The Phil K. Dick Exegesis Project


Just so everyone can find the wiki.
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
20:01 / 30.01.03
What released the plasmate on 1974?

PKD's own nuerosis? 1947 is the date that the scriptures/plasmates were uncovered...a simple switch of the last 2 digits?

Then again, in the book Noting in this book is true but it's exactly the way things are...it tells an interesting version of what happened in 1973-1974. (Hint: Dude...we're in the matrix...
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
21:44 / 30.01.03
"In dormant seed form, the plasmate slumbered in the buried library of codices at Chenoboskion until 1945 C.E." from 24.

"in 1974 a cypher was sent out as a signal that the Age of Iron was over; the cypherconsisted of two words: KING FELIX, which refers to the Happy (or Rightful) King." from 18.

These two together seem to indicate two events. One, the releasing of the plasmate, which occured in 1945.(24) This would seem to mean the unearthing of the nag hammadi codexes. The second announcing of the end of the age of iron, which takes place in 1974. (18) The first is the release of the plasmate the second is the ascendancy of the plasmate.
 
 
LVX23
21:59 / 30.01.03
Here's an excellent article on Dick's Exegesis - PKD's Divine Interference.

I haven't read the whole thing yet but it looks chock full of goodies.

curiouser and curiouser...
 
 
LVX23
22:00 / 30.01.03
Note also two other prominent events in 1945:

1) Creation and use of the first Atomic Bomb.
2) Creation and use of LSD.

Some say these two events occured to balance each other out ...
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
02:02 / 31.01.03
Grant Morrison attributes the "falling" of living information into the world to the first use of the atom bomb in his comic, The Invisibles. He has his characters explain this while on LSD.
 
 
KING FELIX
07:44 / 31.01.03
I was wondering wether the thing that Grant had Oppenheimer said at the detonation was an actual fact, but according to the annotations in the bomb it is supposed to be correct.

"I am become death, destroyer of worlds"

Actually that annotation answered most of the questions I was going to ask , I read the Parson book, sex and rockets some years ago and there definitely was more going on in the manhattan project and everything surrounding it, however much of it was intentional can be discussed.

But I do think that something was set in motion to balance it, and why not the discovery by Dr Hofmann. His Bicycle Day occured April 19, 1943.

Just made a quick google to find out if anything happened 1974:

"On November 16, 1974 a digitally encoded schematic (below) was beamed from the world’s largest single-dish radio telescope in Arecibo, Puerto Rico after decision from SETI to celebrate the telescope upgrade. 20 terawatt transmission at 2380MHz, was aimed at the globular star cluster M13, some 25,000 light-years away, in the constellation of Hercules, near the edge of our galaxy. The message consisted of 1679 pulses in binary code, which, as a product of two prime numbers 23 and 72, makes the massage easy to display as a matrix 23 cells wide and 72 cells high in which each cell is either full or empty, thus forming a singular image."



At least it seems we sent out a cypher that year.
 
 
LVX23
18:01 / 31.01.03
Yes, the KING FELIX cypher is a stumper. I haven't been able to crack this in any way so far.

"I am become death, destroyer of worlds"

I have also seen this quote attributed directly to Oppenheimer. I also saw a version that substituted "Shiva" for "Death". Either way it's a pretty powerful statement.

1945
- Nag Hammadi scrolls unearthed (Logos)
- Creation and use of the Atom Bomb (Death)
- Creation and use of LSD (Imgination)
- Cypher of KING FELIX (Age of Gold)
- Cypher of Arecibo (Cosmic Awareness)

Love the 23's in the Arecibo cypher too.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
04:43 / 03.02.03
Plasmate, a creature of living information. Cognate with both holy spirit and with logos, the word. Similar to a meme but a specific meme, the meme of gnosticism. Contained in a dormant state until revivified by the translation into a living language from the coptic codexes. Perhaps it is also cognate with the Gnosis, the Knowledge. It, or they, are dormant in written form but alive in the mind.

Homoplasmate, a human in whom resisdes a, or the, plasmate. Cognate with someone born again, living in Christ or with an indwelling of the spirit. Phil has stated that when a person becomes a homoplasmate the original personality is no more.
 
 
Sebastian
11:15 / 03.02.03
"On November 16, 1974 a digitally encoded schematic [...] The message consisted of 1679 pulses in binary code, which, as a product of two prime numbers 23 and 72 [...] "

Sorry, but 72 is not a prime number, and the product of it and 23 is 1656.

73 is a prime number, and 23 x 73 is 1679.

I really had those days, back in school. It doesn't look like the guy writing that had them.
 
 
Son of the Soil (aka Joe Dirt)
21:19 / 03.02.03
read the Parson book, sex and rockets some years ago and there definitely was more going on in the manhattan project and everything surrounding it, however much of it was intentional can be discussed.

we always found it odd that no one has taken an interest in "the babylon working" - no one found it odd that L Ron Hubbard ( Elron?) assumed the identity of "edward kelly" to perform a working created by crowley - what happened there really? crowley died shortly after, his work complete? parsons/whitesides later in a lab explosion (ha) and hubbard, the leader/founder of what could possibly be the "next world religion"


oh,and count us in as well
 
 
LVX23
22:08 / 03.02.03
I stated above that LSD was invented in 1945.

This is wrong. It was created by Hoffman in 1938, but set aside for 5 years. On April 16th, 1943, Hoffman resynsthesized lsd-25 and was exposed, beginning the first "acid experience" of the psychoactive ergot derivatives.
 
 
LVX23
22:51 / 03.02.03
Some notes on the Logos:

The "Logos" literally means "word" but took on more characteristics when Heraclitus lent it a theological connotation, describing it as a universal principle - The Word of God. Later, Philo adopted it and referred to it heavily, calling it the Divine Reason. It has been noted historically as follows:

The Logos is:
- the plan or model of the universe
- the source of order in the universe
- that by which all things come into being and come to pass
- the source of human reason and intelligence
- not understood by mankind
- universal
- eternal
- God

"In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God." (John 1:1-4,14 RSV)

Terence McKenna refers to the Logos often in his writings:
"All codes have relative code qualities, except the Logos. The Logos is perfect and, therefore, partakes of
no quality other than tiself. I am here using the word *Logos* in the sense in which Philo Judaeus uses it - that of the Divine Reason that embraces the arhcetypal complex of Platonic ideas that serve as the models of creation."

"The Logos can be unleashed, and the voice that spoke to Plato and Parmenides and Heraclitus can speak again in the minds of modern people. When it does, the alienation will be ended because we will have become the alien." [compare this to PKD's comments - "The Empire never ended"]

The Logos is the language of nature, beyond mathematics or any other codification. It is the stream of the hologram which is congealed into thoughts, forms, ideas, maths, & languages. But, as McKenna notes, these are all inherently limited simplifications of the Logos - the code quality degrades with each step of removal or interpretation from the source. The true apprehension of the Logos is beyon language, beyond boundary - pure information, light and sound.
 
 
the Fool
02:27 / 04.02.03
This is quite fascinating. I (quite a while ago now) invented a concept almost exactly the same as the logos to define the 'machine code' of a fictional reality I had constructed. The secret patterns of the universe laid bare, the Insaharna code is what I called it. I had no idea of 'logos' concept at the time.

Actually a lot of the ideas I've read so far in this thread have occured to me independantly of the sources noted (I've never read PKD, yes, shame on me). I even have an event where I 'sort of' stepped sideways into a nearby reality, it was the source event for the creation of my fictional universe (see bits of it in the 'traitor' section of my afrenasia website).

Information really does get downloaded into us. Independant arising of the same ideas.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
04:01 / 04.02.03
Good, Maybe this means you'll have some fresh and different takes on some of this then the rest of us. Or maybe it means it will be fun for you. Either way, welcome to the desert of the real.
 
 
.
09:16 / 04.02.03
The Logos can also stand for:

Truth in its purest form
Something morally good, or the creator of moral goodness
An archetype (like one of Plato's forms)

And most importantly, in Heraclitus' theory, the Logos stands for consistency in a universe characterised by flux.

If anyone wants to follow up this stuff about Heraclitus, I'll dig out some of my old philosophy lecture notes, I had one lecturer who was a world expert on Heraclitus. Remember that there is more than one Heraclitus, in a manner of speaking- the one that wrote the fragments of text that we associate with a historical character, and the one featured in Platonic dialogues, who is essentially a fictional character. The Platonic Heraclitus holds a much cruder version of what is actually a quite complex theory...
 
 
captain yossarian
10:54 / 04.02.03
i tried to work with some magick-techniques between age 17 to 26... and added some of my own ideas to reach several "altered" states. later i tested the power of a couple of drugs as lsd or cocaine. what i learned was that the "phenomenous world" is not the only way to see, to hear, to taste etc. it is some... print of something "more existent" and that i can walk into any "land" (i called the altered states "lands" and "countries") during controlled dreaming but also during "normal" dreaming. it is my strong believe, strenghtened by experience, that our "real" world ain´t more real than dreams, visions or ideas. in the late 1990s a "journey" we started in a forest near my hometown lead a friend of mine and me into a one-week-nightmare. my friend became an alcohol-addict and i had the luck to became father of a son. this was my rescue for i could concentrate on everyday-actions and learned to become more responsible for what i was doing.
now i live as a very content comic-artist and father and i am happily able to inject my experiences in my work and in my social relationships. but i feel that my journey has just begun. so let´s see wha´t comes next...
i can subjectively say: pdk was right. 100%.
 
 
captain yossarian
12:19 / 04.02.03
@Luthor Blisset

it´s absolutely clear that the connex between crowley and hubbard was one of the most interesting events in the 20th century. i´m sure the fact that hubbard founded a materialistic version of THELEMA will soon be seen as the darkest influence on the industrial world and the power behind new economiy and management strategies to solidify a social-darwinistic world without pity.
it´s also sure that some events in 1947 were the trigger for following and, maybe, earlier evolutions (as insinuated in "the invisibles"); remember:
1947:
- roswell
- birth of david bowie (oto - member; same lodge as kenneth anger)
- death of aleister crowley
- death of arthur machen
- foundation of the CIA and the national security council (usa)
- invention of the polaroid-instant-film... some conspiracy-theories said it was extraterrestric (that´s why the alien mr. newton (bowie)in the movie "the man who fell to earth" got the patent on some "new instant film system")
- the consitution of japan
- the founding of ISO (international organization for standardization)
- the marshall-plan
- death of al capone
- truman doctrine
- test pilot captain charles yaeger broke the sound barrier
- partition of palestine
- howard hughes´ giant spruce goose airplane flies for the first and last time ever
- first boeing 47 flight
- taft-hartley act
- nationalist rebellion in madagascar
- conference on quantum mechanics (participants: edward teller, john von neumann a.o.)
- death of max planck
- nuremberg code
- hillary page invents the interlocking lego-toy-system
and more
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
19:14 / 04.02.03
If anyone wants to follow up this stuff about Heraclitus, I'll dig out some of my old philosophy lecture notes

ooh, do dig that out.
 
 
Tamayyurt
22:44 / 04.02.03
I don't want to rot the thread but I don't really think it's nesicary to start a new one that's going to sink after 2 or 3 posts sooo...

How big a part does the exegesis and Valis play in Transmigration of Timothy Archer? I still haven't read this one (I have read Valis and Divine Invasion.) is it good?
 
 
KING FELIX
12:33 / 05.02.03
Unfortunately I havent seen the man who fell to earth, but I found this quite interesting:.

Wasnt aware of Bowies OTO status.
 
 
KING FELIX
07:05 / 06.02.03
Here's the link:

http://www.douglaslain.f2s.com/from-tevis-to-dick.html
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:04 / 06.02.03
The Head Apollo is about to return.

I know what Dick means here... second coming and all that. But what's the Head Apollo he's referring to?
 
 
Son of the Soil (aka Joe Dirt)
19:10 / 06.02.03
it´s also sure that some events in 1947 were the trigger for following and, maybe, earlier evolutions (as insinuated in "the invisibles"); remember:
1947:
- birth of david bowie (oto - member; same lodge as kenneth anger)

what a fantastic referece you have provided, captain. there has aways been somethinng about mr. jones, the man who fell to earth.

perhaps another thread to go in depth
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
20:36 / 06.02.03
Ha.

Like Bowie was actually born...
 
 
LVX23
21:17 / 10.02.03
I just got a copy of Anarchy for the Masses and, in an interview with Grant Morrison near the end, he mentions a few times how he feels his theory resonates most with Terence McKenna and PKD.

A universe bound by control, laws of behavior, laws of physics, etc..., but only bound because it is gestating in 4D spacetime (time is necessary for growth). It's gestation is the interplay of the Dyad - good/bad, yin/yan, InnerChurch/OuterChurch, etc... But these dualities are illusory, just as the mechanisms of physics and sociology are illusory. The fabric of spacetime is malleable to belief. The hologram is available to everyone at all times. It is the Key to escaping from The Empire. The experiences of Morrison, McKenna, and Dick, are all awakenings to the higher dimensionality of Nature. To step outside of the linear path of time and see from a fifth dimension - to see the maturation of the larva as it pupates towards adulthood. The Omega Point marks the transition from Adolescence to Maturity - from 4D Euclidean/Newtonian cause-and-effect, to 5+D relativism, quantum chaos, and the absolute fluidity of the imagination of reality. Dreams, altered states, endogenous DMT, and magickal acts are all keys to revealing the 5D superstructure of the "oververse" (if you'll excuse the term).

Perceptions are fluid and subjective. All codes are corrupt. The fabric of reality is composed of fibers of light woven into the hologram. The Logos is the blueprint, extruding itself into spacetime as Form and creating the material substrate of Mind, so that Nature may apprehend itself. Barbelith, Sirius, ECCO, the Plasmate - all of these are guides (the same guide?) leading us towards our own evolution into hyperspace.

I'd like to see the whole Exegesis and see if Dick ever ended up at 2012.
 
 
LVX23
03:05 / 11.02.03
FYI, to the PKD WIKI I've added the following links on the main page:

General Commentaries (at the top): Overviews, synopsi, theories, etc...


Further Discussion Links (at the bottom): Inspired by ...rex's spinoff thread, here are links to other threads relating to the Exegesis.

The wiki's really starting to fatten up a bit. Cheers!
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
05:50 / 11.02.03
Well we seem to be striving after "truth". Not really deconstructing at all

3. He causes things to look different so it would appear time has passed.

What is the difference between "real" time and the "appearance" of time? We know, according to Phil when time started and stopped (CommentEighteen). But how does this work? And how like the Matrix is this concept. Though in the Matrix it is the opposite, time seems to have stopped but it has really continued. "You may thing it is 1999 but it is closer to 2999." What is time constructed of except change in spatial relationships? How can time not exist when change exists?

18. Real time ceased in 70 C.E. with the fall of the temple at Jerusalem. It began again in 1974 C.E. The intervening period was a perfect spurious interpolation aping the creation of the Mind.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
05:56 / 11.02.03
Was Phil influenced by Heidegger?
 
 
.
10:36 / 11.02.03
I don't know if Dick was influenced by Heidegger (who is quite an hard philosopher to understand at the best of times), but I can say that he was influenced by the following philosophers, sometimes refered to via their work, sometimes by name:

Heraclitus
Plato (and probably Aristotle)
Bishop George Berkeley et al (eg. Locke, Descartes, Leibniz, Spinoza)
David Hume
Immanuel Kant
Medieval Scholastic philosophers (?)
Existential philosophers (?)


The key figures there, at least in terms of the exegesis, are Berkeley and Heraclitus.

However, I'm not sure that he really he ever read much C19th or C20th century philosophy...

On the subject of time, re: comment 3 in the exegesis, there are a few different ways to intepret the nature of time.

On the one hand, time can be the psychological observation of change from the point of view of an individual. ie. Time consists of things like now, later, yesterday - words used to describe one's relationship or place within a (spatial) causal chain of events. So space is objective and independent from the observer, while the passing of time is based on the observer's observations of their movements and interactions with that space. In other words, I can say that time has passed since I have moved from space A to space B in one movement (or causal chain).

On the other hand, time could be a real element of the world exsting outside of the observer, a dimension through which we travel. ie. Time consists of things like 1947, this monday, July 2003 - words used to describe places on an objective timeline, through which everyone is travelling. So each individual measures their movements through space against the objective timeline. In other words, I can say that I have moved from space A to space B because I was in A at time X and B at time Y.

Does this make sense so far?

In philosophy there is a general convention where one of these timelines is called Timeline A and one is called Timeline B, but I'm fucked if I can remember which way round it goes.

On a third hand, time could be a combination of both of the above ideas.

On a fourth hand (assuming a second person's worth of hands), time could be something different entirely. For example, time could be something to do with one's movements across possibilities, or possible worlds, rather than movements through the spatial dimensions in this world. Or time could be a property of God's observation of the world (assuming a Berkeley-esque god), a god-dependent dimension that somehow defines our relationships with each other (in a Berkeley-esque world consisting of ideas rather than matter)...

All of which reminds me of Donnie Darko. In that film [SPOILER ALERT!], Donnie and friends are apparently moving through a seperate timeline to the main timeline- God's timeline in fact. In the exegesis, time ceases at some point and only continues when God returns. In other words, in the exegesis the real timeline is God's timeline, and when God's focus is not on the world the timeline is less real.

Can any of my ramblings be assembled into some sort of sense?

ii.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
23:13 / 13.02.03
It ended in August 1974 and was replaced by the Age
of Gold,
which is represented by a Palm Tree Garden.

From Confessions of a Theory Bitch:

" (Another neat reference to the middle pillar, the path that permits direct communion with God – it is represented as a single palm tree. [ThMR in Hebrew]"

Could the middle pillar communion with god/the Godpoint/Kether be the Age of Gold that Comment Seventeen refers to?
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
16:45 / 14.02.03
Heh...

It get's better
 
 
LVX23
18:52 / 18.02.03
18. Real time ceased in 70 C.E. with the fall of the temple at Jerusalem. It began again in 1974 C.E. The intervening period was a perfect spurious interpolation aping the creation of the Mind.

Yeah this is a tricky one. Two things stick in my mind from this comment:

1)It began again in 1974 - Much like Crowley, Dick sets the date of the new age to be coincident with his reception of the message. He is making himself a prophet.

2)The intervening period was a perfect spurious interpolation aping the creation of the Mind - Is he suggesting that, like Nietzsch's reference to The Matrix, the period between 70 & 1974 was a simulacrum of sorts? And what is "aping the creation of the Mind"?

Here's where it would help to have "In Pursuit of Valis" to see how Dick himself fleshed out these comments...
 
 
LVX23
18:39 / 07.01.05
A woman is auctioning letters to her from Philip K. Dick. Hopefully someone will put them online.

From the auction:
We corresponded between 1974 and 1981. For sale are all the letters he wrote me between 1974 and 1975, when I was writing a U.S. master's thesis about books he'd published a decade earlier, at a time when only the French accorded him critical respect and his first language editions had lapsed out of print: Originals of over 60 individual letters, 186 pages (all those he signed on the right side of the page).

The letters are about Valis and V.A.L.I.S. (because that's what he was writing then); they are also a linear chronology of his "long inner trip" in his own words (the drawing is what a dream instructed him to draw); they are also about Ubik and UBIK (because that's what I was writing about); they say what he wanted them to say. For more details, see http://www.srv.net/~msdata/ph1l1pkd1ckpaper4sale.html.
 
  

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