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w1rebaby
16:00 / 23.01.03
I was interested to see what the differences were between seeing it in text and seeing it performed, or rather as a video piece. I'm not sure that it changes that much - though I did get the feeling that it was slightly too long for the format it's in at the moment. I think it would be more effective either with a bit more visual stuff (as I mentioned above) or with a bit of editing.
 
 
deja_vroom
16:33 / 23.01.03
What's with that smirk?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:51 / 23.01.03
I'm on dial-up here in Moominvalley... I guess I'll have to wait until I'm back at work to watch this. Unless there's some clever technomantic way of someone emailing me it as a zipped mpeg or something else that's made up of words that make no sense... (mumble mumble goddam computery stuff mumble mumble)
 
 
Rage
17:53 / 23.01.03
Is "Haus Boy don't be an asshole" a barbelith t-shirt yet?

Who's for feeding this boy some MDMA? I'm trying to kill him with kindness, but he Simply Won't Die.

This place is a learning experience for me. Even back then it was. Notice how I took everyone's comments with an open mind in that previous post.

For all the pranks and craziness I try to bring forth here- I'm sure one of the nicest people around.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:04 / 23.01.03
I bet you don't even know who Gerry Francis *is*, Rage m'dear. And after I was so nice in the first thread. Some people just don't know how to pick their fights...
 
 
Rage
18:45 / 23.01.03
Haushole- (how many times has that one been used again?) if you knew that I didn't know than why would you use the Gerry name in the first place? It was obviously meant to be an "insult over my head" thing. How old are you again? Got a video of yourself talking? I'm quite curious how it would turn out.

Anyone notice how Haus remembles my friend Frankie Bloomingfield?

Not only should we feed you some MDMA, but we should feed you some MDMA and force you to record yourself reciting "Do you listen to Radiohead?" If this wouldn't be the funniest thing in barbistory I have no idea what would.

Haus on Ecstasy reciting "Do you listen to Radiohead?"

Can anything truly beat this?
 
 
grant
18:55 / 23.01.03
Actually, I don't think it was an insult at all.

Although I have to say, I really do like the image of a glazed, happy, dilated Haus asking about my T-shirt designs....
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:00 / 23.01.03
Oh, sweet simple girl. The Gerry Francis gag was just that, a gag for thems as understand it. If I compared this movie, or you, to pretty well anything involving books, history, or indeed anything apart from the contents of the medicine chest and your own cavernous self-involvement, it would probably defeat you. Short of inventing a means of finger-painting in ASCII, I'm going to suffer in any quest for common ground.

Gerry Francis was the manager of spurs some years ago. In interviews, he bobbed his head and looked constantly to one side of the camera, as if he were reading a script taped to a nearby wall. Hence the funny.

And this is, I fear, where your attempts to be discordian are always goign to fall down - you take yourself unbelievably seriously. I mean, incredibly. You are unable to cope with the idea that anybody out there might, ultimately, not see you as just as very gifted (with the grade-school certificates to prove it), very talented and very, very, important. Pranksters, discordians, "chaotes" - these function by engaging with the world and confronting it with new perspectives on things it had always taken for granted, not by desperately trying to get the world to listen while they talk about themselves. When the text version of this got slated, you rushed in with lengthy shadow-play about how great it was to be criticised, taking care to mention that everyone you had shown it to had told you that it was incredible and ground-breaking, and that these people were IN THEIR MID-TWENTIES, DAMMIT. It was kind of endearing.

Meanwhile, in the year since this was debuted, your artistic development has been....to buy a video camera. Great that you took that criticism to heart, then. If that's jumping onto a star, one can only assume that it is a very slow-moving star with a Radio Shack.

There. That wasn't any fun at all, was it? Not to write, not to read. It was precisely as petty and pointless as your inexplicable attempts to pick a fight. Which is why I very strongly suggest that they are abandoned. Your understandings of my motivations are unlikely to be very close to the mark, and mine no doubt likewise. A little respect for different ways of living and thinking is a wonderful thing.
 
 
Rage
19:09 / 23.01.03
Blah blah blah wank wank wank all hail Eris and your mother. Gay loser. You're calling me on shit I said a year ago? Nice one.
What is the "saliva brigade?" (can one help the way they move their mouth?)

Not that it matters, there's a new idea in town.

You, MDMA, and a video camera.
 
 
w1rebaby
21:21 / 23.01.03
Hmm. I've converted it to MPEG-4 (6.7 Mb) but I'm not sure everyone's media player will be compliant with that.

Like I said, I have an AVI version but it's enormous. Bear with me, I'm still getting to know this thing.
 
 
w1rebaby
22:15 / 23.01.03
AVI version at about 36 meg. Set it downloading and go to lunch.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
23:17 / 23.01.03
An easier way of doing it would be to convert it to RealMedia - that's a smaller filesize.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:58 / 24.01.03
Poot. All four different versions of this don't seem to exist no more...

Otherwise, I'm sure that one day Haus and Rage will marry and have many, many children, with the cold, dead eyes of Gwyneth Paltrow's character in The Royal Tennenbaums.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:14 / 24.01.03
It emerges from Pms that Rage believed that the "saliva brigade" reference was an insulting one suggesting that she talked funny. It was, of course, a complimentary one (if you like that sort of thing), suggesting that lots of people were going to be drooling over her image.

So we all love each other again. Although probably not in the glassy eyed baby way.
 
 
Bill Posters
10:38 / 24.01.03
Haus, may I suggest that when you make an obscure reference, people will in all probability assume the worst? Given that a significant proportion of your posts are cruel and insulting (that's the whole point of you, isn't it?), then I can't blame Rage for misinterpreting that post.

That said Rage, the "gay loser" line was kinda low.

Oh and anyway Haus, Rage has forbidden us to salivate over hir image anymore, hence the Saliva Brigade of which you speak is something of an anachronism...
 
 
Rage
10:52 / 24.01.03
The "gay loser" thing was suppose to be low- (something someone who wished to finger paint in ASCII might say) did anyone think I was serious? It was also a connection section to Haus's post in The Head Shop.

Still, it was a misunderstanding, so I apologize.

Bill was right about me getting kind of jaded with Haus, just like a lot of people did with me.

Though

"Well, I've saids nothing about it because I said everything I felt was useful about a year and a half ago, when it first cropped up here, and the thinking behind the script hasn't changed at all"

does imply that I may still think grade school papers prove one is "gifted" and that I still fancy deconstructing elitist subcultural conformity to be profound.

It's all good though. We should hug. Mama Rage is here with some special pills!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:00 / 24.01.03
I just meant that the script hadn't changed, so I didn't have anything much to add.

Bill - I think you're missing the point rather. I'm just a big lovely hug of a suit, sadly misunderstood by a world gone wrong. Appreciate me for my lovely fluffy hugglesome *mind*, darn it!
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:05 / 24.01.03
Baby you understand me now
If sometimes you see I'm mad
Doncha know that no one alive can always be an angel?
When everything goes wrong you see some bad

Well I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood
 
 
deja_vroom
11:15 / 24.01.03
Bill:may I suggest that when you make an obscure reference, people will in all probability assume the worst

Well, not really. I don't, for instance.
 
 
Rage
11:35 / 24.01.03
Hop on round to The Saliva Brigade! Meet the Master of Disaster- the Chaote of the Pentagram- it's the inviiiiiisible Gerry Francis!

Ex-manager of the Spurs and future barbelithian, this boy sure knows how to transcend. Can I get a T! Can I get an R! Can I get an A! Can I get an N! Can I get a...

"Mother Mary, I seem to have left my ability to understand references to the sex deprived in San Francisco."
"Quiet on the set, Mizz Hinewater. You know not to talk about your powers that way."
"But but but..."
"There's a time to build a Haus and there's a time to relax in one. You are not an architect."
"What about coming off as a discordian? Blue window schnaps. 23. Dancing unicorn swifty. Gay loser revolt. All hail the mighty overfnord. Start new race of fnords who get it."
"Wasn't Fantasy Fascism Fest in 2002?"
"That was Burning Man, Mother."

Can I get an S! Can I get a C! Can I get an E! Can I get a...

Hop on round to The Saliva Brigade! Find on out why the newly formatted movies refuse to play themselves. Could it be their inability to understand fractals? Has everyone going Chomskiing? Slope yourself before it's too late, soccer mothers. We live in a time where the freemasons are no longer types but fonts!

::the entire room gasps::

::Flash to little rat girl from the Pepsi commercials sitting on a giant throne::

(she whispers) Can I get an N... Can I get a D...
 
 
Bill Posters
12:17 / 24.01.03
I would be interested to see anyone try to argue that the above is anything other than good shit. (Though it's perhaps a little too William Burroughs in places.)

But then, I might be biased, what with having had previous links with the Salvia Brigade*.

* I'm leaving the typo there 'cos it's intriging... am I a salvia man or a saliva man? Do I take salvia and salivate? Etc etc.
 
 
grant
12:29 / 24.01.03
Chomskiing... that sounds like fun.

I'd possibly pay to get a recording of that one.
 
 
w1rebaby
13:07 / 24.01.03
Ah.

Those links don't work because... they have the wrong filenames.

Proper links

MPEG-4 version (smaller but you probably won't be able to play it if you don't have Quicktime)

AVI version (large and ever so slightly fuzzy but will work)

I'll take a look at other formats and converters when I get home. I'm not an expert here. I might be able to stream it.
 
 
rizla mission
14:22 / 24.01.03
Chomskiing... that sounds like fun.

Yes!

Here's to everybody going to the Alps for a Chomskiing holiday..

wheee!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:09 / 24.01.03
I've been keeping my mouth shut about this in the spirit of "if you've got nothing nice to say...", and that I already critiqued this thing way back when. I'm going to have to pipe in and agree with Haus, though - I'm sort of stunned that the text of this piece has not been altered in any significant way since it was first posted for critique here last year.

What, exactly, was the point of even posting it here for critique if you clearly had no plans of taking any of the critique to heart? If you're only going to listen to people who are going to fawn over you, you're not going to progress much, Rage. And judging by the rest of the writing you have on your site, it appears that your progress as a writer is already in a state of water-treading.

At any rate, I think it is sort of insulting to Barbelith as a whole for you to use this place as a venue for attention-seeking but disregarding the constructive criticisms of the members of the community. Editing is your friend, Rage. Don't screen out his calls, okay?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:27 / 24.01.03
Be fair, Flux. I was just demonstrating how one *could* be nasty. Rage said she thought it would be fun to do it on a video camera, not that it was great art. It's possible that she decided a year ago that it wasn't going to be get better enough to justify the time expended on rewriting it to her satisfaction, or she just lost interest in it and put it in a drawer, and just left it, but then got stoned and thought it would be a laugh to to do it as a reading....
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:45 / 24.01.03
Well, that would be awfully fair.

That's certainly not the impression I'm getting from Rage and her website, though.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:52 / 24.01.03
That's pretty much how I took it. The draw of the video, for me, was less experiencing a deathless piece of prose than of finally having a voice to go with the name and the face. Rage could've been reading from the telephone directory, and I'd have still watched, just out of curiosity.

I have a fascination with that sort of thing, with how the written voice jibes or fails to jibe with the speaking voice. I was vaguely horrified, for instance, to learn that Warren Ellis, whose written voice is a ferocious growl, has a speaking voice rather like Brian Eno's.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:53 / 24.01.03
...but on the other hand, Grant Balfour's flat serial-killer monotone pretty much defines his posts for me, now that I've heard it.
 
 
w1rebaby
16:08 / 24.01.03
My perception of him online has never been the same since I found out that Haus sounds like Mr T.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:12 / 24.01.03
"Fo'get it, Rage, you foo'—Haus ain't gittin on no plane!"
 
 
grant
18:57 / 24.01.03
I find it disturbing that you think that way about us, Jack.

It fills me with regret.


Perhaps we can discuss it later. In person. Somewhere private.
 
 
Bill Posters
12:50 / 25.01.03
I love it when a threadrot comes together.

What, exactly, was the point of even posting it here for critique if you clearly had no plans of taking any of the critique to heart?

Duh, maybe because the previous 'lets all fuck-up Rage's self-esteem' thread contained very little constructive criticism and consists mainly of insults based around hir age? %Very PC, is ageism.%

IMHO there is a glorious irony in the fact that most of the responses to the previous version illustrated the point Rage is trying to make about the so-called counterculture being just as conformist and ridden with bullying as the mainstream. A bright kid with a well-expressed set of ideas (which, admittedly, some of us have heard before) gets flamed and told to go play with hir Sticklebricks.

* rolls eyes *

Nice one, guys. %It's rilly good to know us outcasts can find so much support here.% (Rage, you should add some of that thread to the piece itself as an appendix, or something, it's soooo much an integral part of it!)
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:39 / 25.01.03
Right. We're all a bunch of walking, talking NIN songs, Bill. Of course.
 
 
Bill Posters
14:09 / 25.01.03
Hmm... some would say that, I myself might claim that to be the case some of the time, but I would not want the above narrative to be totalised, merely considered, and you know that perfectly well.

P.S. Sorry to criticise your precious counterculture, BTW. You obviously have a lot of symbolic capital invested therein.
 
  

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