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Cutting Up Frogs (or the psychology of the sick joke)

 
 
Not Here Still
16:44 / 30.09.01
Recent posts, such as this (which isn't that funny, really apart from "Afghanastinians") and this include some very sick jokes.

For some people, they are almost certain to be offensive - and they are also in extremely bad taste. That's not to say we don't laugh at them.

In fact, the more offensive a joke is, the more likely I am to laugh at it. I'm also aware that I use very dark humour sometimes as a coping method in my job, something I know others do too.

(For instance, some traffic cops give marks for style to road accident victims.)

Rod Liddle, the producer of the Today programme on BBC Radio 4, writes a column in the Guardianabout the programme. he notes that, after the terrorist attacks on America, there were no jokes.

He notes:

Not one in over a week. Just six hours after the Princess of Wales was killed I recall being told the first of many Diana jokes. The same occurred after the Brighton bombing, the explosion of the Challenger, the arrest of Peter Sutcliffe. Name your disaster, horror or tragedy, no matter how grotesque, and there will be someone making a joke of it somewhere. These black jokes are a form of whistling in the dark, I suppose. This time, none at all. Too dark even for whistling. The story began like a piece of Hollywood fiction and ended up being all too real and all too close.

Of course, that has now changed: we have all heard at least one Bin Laden joke, or had that witty 'Can I come and stay with you?' text message, and some of us have laughed.

Comedy is tragedy plus time, of course - but is anyone aware of any theory, or does anyone have any theories, about the sick joke? How long is 'acceptable' before making gags about the dead?

Why do we laugh at jokes about the darkest topics in the world?

What defines our notions of offensive?

(Oh, and the title of this thread isn't to do with a sick gag about slicing frogs to pieces. It's that quote about analysing jokes being like dissecting frogs - it's possible, but the subject usually dies during the work.)
 
 
w1rebaby
17:07 / 30.09.01
I too noticed the lack of WTC jokes, on the net anyway. The usual racist suspects were soon being trotted out, though, all the "towelhead" / "camel-fucker" ones that were last used for the Gulf War. Funny how 100,000 Iraqis being incinerated and burnt alive seems to be funnier.

I remember reading an article on "Life Is Beautiful" pointing out that there was a lot of ridiculously black humour going around in the concentration camps... I can't source that just now though.

Some people seem to get relief from being able to joke about things and some quite the opposite. The two types come into conflict quite a lot - jokes are told in public, where you can't tell how people are going to react.

I'm more of the former type so I'm a little biased against the latter... but I tend to think that people who find jokes like that offensive (when the intention or subtext was clearly not racist or cruel) are finding words offensive not people which seems to me to be missing the point. I also think it's to do with acceptance of social taboos, and I find they are generally counter-productive.
 
 
bitchiekittie
09:37 / 01.10.01
I find that intent is plays enormous factor in what amuses me. one of my close friends is one of the most offensive bastards you will ever come across, an "equal opportunity offender". getting to know him, I realized that while he honestly didnt care what people thought or how riled up people would get at his behavior (he was, at most, amused by these reactions), he didnt set out to harm anyone, and he didnt really believe any of his own shit.

I guess my point is only this: no matter what comes out of someones mouth, I always simply consider the source. nothing more
 
 
Mister Snee
09:37 / 01.10.01
No jokes? Within eight hours of the first impact a friend sent me the URL of a picture of the second WTC impact, in mid-fireball, doctored to look like a Counterstrike screenshot stating "TERRORISTS WIN". It had a little team report for "Osama Bin Laden" and everything.
To be honest, I laughed. Can't vouch for why.

(Incidentally, the aforesaid picture was gone in about 24 hours.)

[ 01-10-2001: Message edited by: Mister Snee ]
 
 
Ganesh
11:53 / 02.10.01
Black, or gallows humour is certainly useful: in studies of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder those individuals with a 'sick' sense of humour have, paradoxically, been more able than their colleagues to resist becoming, well, sick.
 
 
Not Here Still
15:37 / 02.10.01
Any idea why, 'Nesh?
 
 
w1rebaby
17:00 / 02.10.01
One (simplistically put) reason could be that both of them think about the situation, but one group is able to laugh while doing it. People who can enjoy a black joke about their situation are less likely to be depressed than those who are unable to, and for whom the whole thing is awful...?

edited to add: I think this is a major difference between acceptable and unacceptable black humour. Acceptable jokes are from a viewpoint of sym/empathy with the situation, whereas unacceptable are from an outside, aggressive viewpoint and are designed to ridicule and belittle. Again it's the intent that is significant.

[ 02-10-2001: Message edited by: w1rebaby ]
 
 
Rage
17:22 / 02.10.01
Here's one for all you computer people:

$ /bin/laden
swallows.
$ rm -f /bin/laden
$ which laden
/home/afghanistan/bin
$ rm -f /home/afghanistan/bin/laden
$ which laden
/home/pakistan/bin
$ rm -f /home/afghanistan/bin/laden
$ which laden
/home/iraq/bin
$ rm -f /home/iraq/bin/laden
$ which laden
/home/us/bin
$ dammit
unrecognized command.
$ rm -rf /home
now look what you've done.
$

Oh, this ISN'T a WTC joke thread?

Maybe sick jokes are like violet movies. Eventually you become desensitized to them.
 
  
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