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Magicians for Jesus!

 
  

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Rev. Wright
09:44 / 04.05.03
'I'm Brian, and so's my wife'
 
 
*
02:28 / 07.05.03
Since I just started dating a Christian-- a liberal pentecostal-- and I'm simultaneously taking a class which involves study of early Christianity, I'm interested enough in this thread that I really don't want it to die. I like the Jesus-as-magician, J-as-philosopher, J-as-revolutionary and J-as-comedian/all around swell guy models a lot.

I don't think Jesus failed, inasmuch as his magical/philosophic/revolutionary work produced major changes and essentially prepared his followers for the impending collapse of the Roman Empire (was that the "end of the world" early Christian doctrine predicted?). I think it has had drastically unforeseen results in the modern day. And who hasn't had a spell run amok a time or two? Do you think invoking him to address the imbalance is appropriate, or do you think we need to kill him, like the Buddha on the road?

Who here is ordained, be it in the ULC or the POEE or some other church? Shall we start a few sects and see what happens? Central tenet, be excellent to each other; corollary: there are many Jesii, and anyone can be their prophet?

I support this project. Someone take Dogma's BuddyChrist as their symbol; it'll be fun. Kevin Smith will love the idea too much to sue.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
02:39 / 07.05.03
I personally don't think we've finished taking jesus apart enough to start to sell a new version. If people feel we've done enough analysis lets start the synthesis. Then distrobution.

Oh, I'm a ULC minister.

Anyone using buddy christ should ask his permission even if he don't sue his producers or the toy company could.
 
 
penitentvandal
17:41 / 07.05.03
do you think we need to kill him, like the Buddha on the road?

Hmmm...hasn't someone tried that one before?
 
 
Salamander
17:51 / 07.05.03
Why not proclaim the 2nd comming happened last tuesday and that all that happened was that he said, "Hey s'up?" and then flew back into space, heaven or wherever?
 
 
*
00:44 / 09.05.03
Velvetvandal-- I meant in an allegorical sense, this time, as I'm sure you gathered.
 
 
Quantum
14:08 / 09.05.03
YHShVH! How could I not have realised that before? Fuck me, that's brilliant.
I want a figurine of Buddy Christ with an XXXXXL grail full of wine so badly I think I might pee my pants, let's get this religion off the ground!
 
 
Salamander
17:33 / 09.05.03
Maybe we should greet YHShVH with numbers instead of words and silence. Maybe I was a little harsh with the third veiw, especially since Hermes is the god of thieves and,

The Son of Man cometh as a thief in the night.
 
 
*
21:45 / 09.05.03
(probably threadrot)

The Son of Man cometh as a thief in the night.

Reminds me of a cult my friend conceptualized awhile back, based on this passage. It was a conspiracy of people who kept starting fringe apocalyptic movements on the theory that if someone was always predicting the apocalypse, it could never arrive. It was called the Watched Pot Society.

Applicable? Who knows.

(/probably threadrot)
 
 
panthergod
21:45 / 30.03.04
excellent thread --I'll add comments in a bit.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
01:25 / 31.03.04
I've only read about the first page and a half of this thread, but I have some thoughts that I think are relevant (apologies if they've been mentioned already).

First off, on the name thing, I read a book (fiction) by Christopher Moore this summer called "Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal". First, good book, highly recommended. Second, Moore makes an interesting point: technically Jesus Christ means "Joshua Who is Annointed" or "Joshua the Annointed [One]", as apparently Christ (from Christos) means "Annointed".

Second, despite not being Christian, I did read several portions of the Bible last year (amused the chaplain at my Catholic highschool [long story] when I asked to borrow his). Jesus did have his moments of anger, just like any normal person (he demanded a fig tree to produce fruit out of season, when it wouldn't he struck it down, etc.), which I think makes him more humanistic than a perfect ideal.

Of course, Jesus/Joshua could act as a perfected ideal, being a paragon of compassion, sacrafice, love, etc., if that's what you're looking for.

Though really, at the root of his legend, you could really make a point for the story of Jesus/Joshua being about a guy who was really nice, wanted to help people, and opposed the current ruling authorities for being hypocrites and oppressors.

Someone brought up a point about "Christian charity". My main issue with this is that people shouldn't NEED religion to be charitable, but if its going to motivate them to do so...then that's fine as well. Does it really matter if you feel the need to tell someone you did something charitable, or that you did it for social reward, so long as you DID perform a charitable act? I dunno, maybe that's just my upbringing coming out (mom always said to just be nice to people because they're people).
 
 
FinderWolf
17:57 / 01.04.04
>> So anyway, if we mix in a bit of progressive thought, and view ourselves as extentions of the living universe (God), then our spiritual evolution (becoming "God," taking the assertive role in creation) may actually aid (?) in the evolution of the universe, the end of which being reunification with the universe/God (??).

This, to me, is what it's all about. This is what magick is about, and in a fun little book called "Conversations With God," which, despite its New Age-y image, hits on some excellent points, the idea is mentioned that we are all part of God and our task is to re-create our lives as we like - literally, "remembering" our creative potential and the effect our thoughts have on our material existence - "re-membering". Bringing us back to our full status of *members* of the God-whole. Not unlike Barbelith helping us to remember that we create this life and we can re-create it. Jesus as placenta. Jesus as the one who shows us our creative power when we turn our attention to spiritual growth and creation of our lives.
 
  

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