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New X-Men #138

 
  

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The Natural Way
10:19 / 25.03.03
And, yes, Fly's exactly right - of course Emma won't bite it. Yeah, maybe Emma needs Angel more than Angel needs Emma. We'll see.

Don't you all just love the way Scott's powers are just the best metaphor for super anal-retention? Always under control...withhold....withhold...little spurt... Because if he lets rip, EVERYTHING will go to the dogs. Nice exploration of the way in which a character's abilities effect their psyche. Grant's quite big on that, actually.

And Frank playing up the *force* as opposed to the *energy blast* thing. Fab. See the ground ripple in 137. Great.
 
 
Quireboy
11:36 / 25.03.03
I like the contrast of Emma's upfront sexuality and repressed anxiety with Scott's repressed sexuality and all too apparent anxiety. They're both emotional cripples reaching out for a crutch.

I'm reposting a comment from the Phoenix thread revelant to this point. Someone on the X-Fan boards called Jean the X-men's Julianne Moore ... now I'm sure they didn't mean it in this way but having just seen Far From Heaven I found that rather interesting. Maybe Marvel Girl was to Jean what Mrs Magnatech was to Cathy - they're both personas defined by those around them and their society (1960s/70s mutantkind or 1950s New England). However, Phoenix is Jean free of all constraints and boundaries - she's becoming a real goddess rather than the X-Men's domestic goddess. Perhaps that's what Scott can't handle as he can't bring himself to do what Cathy's husband did and deal with who he really is.

On a different issue. Notice how the infirmary scene with Xorn and Quentin in NXM138 mirrors the Cerebra scenes with Jean and Xavier at the end of the Imperial arc.

In NXM125 Jean tells Charles to let go of his physical body (Cassandra's body), which has been infected with degenerative diseases:

Jean: "Charles. Are you ready? That body can't contain you anymore. It's too sick.

[Holding Xavier's head] "Don't be so strong. Stop holding on so hard. Shh, stop talking. You have to let go of all that now. It's time to die Charles. It's all right. Let go.

"Die Charles. I'm going to catch you."

In NXM138 Xavier tells Xorn to heal Quentin whose brain cells are being converted into faster the light energy in a premature secondary mutation triggered by abuse of the neurotoxic drug Kick:

Xavier: "Xorn! Quickly! The boy is dying!"

Xorn: [Craddling Quentin's neck] "No, he is only changing, Professor Xavier ... I feel we would be wrong to interfere.

"Quentin? I am Xorn ... do not be afraid.

"When I was a boy, not much younger than you are, Quentin, a little star opened like a flower in my head.

"A flower made of light is opening inside you. I can help you to let go of your last, painful attachments to the flesh where you were grown. There is something in you that is like me.

[Opening his visor to release a beam of energy] "Do you see?"

Quentin: "hhhaaahhhaaahhhhaiii"

But whereas Quentin's mind ascends to a higher state of consciousness Xavier's mind is merely split up and placed into every mutant mind across the planet (his ideology is still earthbound) before being restored to its previous state.

Regarding Quentin's warning that the professor may have missed the point - especially in light of Jean's vision in NXM128 - I've already suggested that Xavier may pursue a more aggressive approach given his comment that he sees that peaceful coexistence is not necessarily the right means to achieve his dream. But I can't see Jean - given Morrison's comments about her as a pascifist - going along with that, which begs the question will she leave the team before that arc starts? I suppose she could be the murder victim - though surely only Xorn would be powerful enough to kill her, which I doubt will happen. Or maybe she decides to leave the school with Sooraya in light of the riot and Emma and Scott's affair. She then returns in the Phoenix arc to mop up the mess caused by the assault on Weapon Plus - and perhaps her judgement on mutantkind is simply delivering a new dream to replace Xavier's. She's Christ to the professor's Moses - and her dream is to Xavier's what the Gospels are to the Ten Commandments.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:53 / 25.03.03
"A flower made of light is opening inside you. I can help you to let go of your last, painful attachments to the flesh where you were grown. There is something in you that is like me.

[Opening his visor to release a beam of energy] "Do you see?"

Quentin: "hhhaaahhhaaahhhhaiii"


Hmm. To me, that scene more closely resembles the scene in E Is For Extinction in which Scott euthanizes that multi-faced kid.

re: Jean/Phoenix/Charles's vision from #128 - that does look a like "Manhattan is gone", doesn't it? I wonder when we'll see "the school is huge". That was such a creepy line, wasn't it?
 
 
Tamayyurt
13:05 / 25.03.03
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this (probably cause they've forgotten the issue) but Magneto has also (sorta) escaped the flesh and transcended space-time, as an electromagnetic message. And while QQ was mutating again and becoming energy, I remembered him wearing the "magneto was right" t-shirt. It seems everyone gotten the point except Xavier.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:47 / 25.03.03
Oh come on. "Everyone has gotten the point except Xavier". That's so unfair. Do you think Emma 'gets it'? Scott? Logan? Is everyone themselves to blame for not being a living god?

I don't understand why everyone's so anti-Charles, because I really don't think Grant is.
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:30 / 25.03.03
Actually, your're right Emma, Scott, Logan hasn't "gotten it" but, you know, we expect more from Charles. And I'm not anti-Xavier. I actually love what grant's doing with him.
 
 
The Natural Way
15:27 / 25.03.03
Again the "school is huge" thing can be creepy or WONDERFUL depending on yr perspective. We'll see.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:58 / 25.03.03
I think it was the combination with "Manhattan is gone" that creeped me out.

I'm pretty sensitive to Manhattan-destruction. In addition to being a place that is in many ways my home, it's also something I think is fairly played-out in fiction. Why can't it be, just for once, be "Chicago is gone, the school is huge", or "Toronto is gone, the school is huge".

No. It's always Manhattan! Give it a rest!
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:06 / 25.03.03
The School is Huge:
Well there have been several "futures" written into X-men history... One of them included the school expanding to an intergalatic level with Charles touring the Galaxy with a team of X-skrulls and Jean as the head mistress on earth. Most of the other futures have been grim. Perhaps this is Grants tip to a positive future being grown from recient events.

Jean:
I highly doubt she'll let her troubles with Scott effect her role at the school. With Charles stepping down I'm certain Jean will step in as headmistress. I'm begining to wonder if Jean will sort of see through Emma and force a sort of theraphy upon her. Part of her Phoenix aspect is related to emotion and passion while Emma's diamond form blocks such stuff out. Notice how all her seductions of scott have been framed with-in it being a Deep private pleasurable thought? Could she have been using these "thoughts" to simulate emotions? Will Jean force Emma to face her unaddressed emotional baggage (ala THE INVISIBLES'Mad Tom & Jack Frost)?

Assault on Weapon Plus:
I suspect they are behind KICK. It sort of make sence if part of their mandate is to use mutants to ceat weapons kick could then be seperating usefull mutants and preping them for collection.

just some thouhgt
 
 
Aertho
16:27 / 25.03.03
It is always Manhattan. I don't live there, but I'm smart enough to know it's the center of the damn universe. It's like Oa, but for planet Earth.

It's where all the psychological norms and memes that dominate the planet come from. Whereas in the mutated future, the school will dominate those memes. Xavier is growing as a concept.

That's what I think about the school is huge comment.

As for Jean and Scott and Emma, Jean's not exactly blameless... and I know I'll probably get flack for this. But the point is, Scott doesn't talk, and she wants him to. But he doesn't, and she waits and wanders, hoping he'll grow up. So of course, Scott goes to the nearest warm telepath. Yes, Jean's being tough-loving, mature, and independant woman, but she's dealing with an emotionally stunted superhero. She should've hung him upside down until he started talking months ago.

And Emma's a sweetheart who got wrapped up in doing a good thing so much it turned bad.
 
 
Tamayyurt
16:39 / 25.03.03
And Emma's a sweetheart who got wrapped up in doing a good thing so much it turned bad.

Isn't that always the case with Emma?
 
 
The Falcon
16:47 / 25.03.03
As for Jean and Scott and Emma, Jean's not exactly blameless... and I know I'll probably get flack for this.

You're not on X-Fan, so I think you'll find the reasonability level somewhat higher. Even as recently as #117, and countless other examples, Jean has done extremely shady things with an, admittedly hardcore, Canadian midget.
 
 
Aertho
16:59 / 25.03.03
Yeah, I know. I didn't mean that Jean has committed infidelities of equal, greater, or lesser value than Cyclops, but that WHY he did it was due to some emotional neglect on Jean's part -and that's such a fine and gray space that I was afraid flack would arise and consume us all.

And Emma... As far as that initial JP Leon issue had me concerned, Emma was doing exaclty what Jean couldn't -appeal to Scott's stunted growth and confront his miniscule personality without making it about a relationship. Too often personality judgments are skewed due to interpersonal relationships. Scott and Jean are a unit, as are Scott and Charles, as are Scott and Logan, Scott and Beast. Scott and Emma aren't anything -which is why she could cut into him deeply. But roleplaying turned manipulative and therapy turned symptomatic. Emma's a good girl with insecurites too.
 
 
Quimper
18:20 / 25.03.03
Jean's no dummy. I think a part of her will at least realize that Scott is still in love with her, or at least sexually attracted to an aspect of her. I mean, Emma was dressed as Jean when she caught them. Something like that doesn't go unnoticed. In fact, if I walked in on an estranged boyfriend of mine about to get busy with my doppelganger, I'd probably just start cracking up. Someone with Jean's intuition should know exactly what is going on between her and her husband the second she saw Emma dressed as Dark Phoenix...and the subsequent look on Scott's lustful face.

I noticed something I wanted to share. One of those "Morrison is a genius!" things that was probably just a coincidence. But, did you notice that both Year One and Year Two ended with someone—the dominant telepath from the previous year—standing in a doorway. In/Out. Old year/New year. First, Charles in the Cerebro Chamber. Then, Jean in the doorway to Emma's astral boudoir . Symbolism or Over-intellectualization? Is this Jean's rebirth as the womb image was for Charles?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
18:49 / 25.03.03
I like when that kid said that he was pretty sure Dummy was still around in his gas form and hovering near Xorn's butt.
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:10 / 25.03.03
Yeah, and did you notice no mention of No-girl? Could Dummy have replaced "her" as the unifing factor for the special class?
 
 
Quireboy
19:41 / 25.03.03
Hmm. To me, that scene more closely resembles the scene in E Is For Extinction in which Scott euthanizes that multi-faced kid.

Well I can see the parallel - if you consider that Xorn carried out a mercy killing - but Ugly John wasn't a telepath.

Quimper, I'm not sure the comparison between the end of year one and the end of Riot really works. Xavier was reborn by Jean - in an inversion of the Zeus/Athene myth - but here Jean is entering Scott or Emma's mind. I think the parallel will be with the Psychic Rescue issue - where Emma and Jean were fighting to free Xavier's mind and exorcise Cassandra from his unconscious.
 
 
Quireboy
20:04 / 25.03.03
Will Jean force Emma to face her unaddressed emotional baggage (ala THE INVISIBLES'Mad Tom & Jack Frost)?

With her telekinetic powers Jean could prevent Emma from switching into diamond form and then telepathically force her to face all the guilt and anxiety that the White Queen can just shut off by physically transforming. (Though I expect Emma to throw the problems with Jean's marriage back in her face.)

But perhaps a really apt punishment would be for Jean to permanently transform Emma into diamond - rendering her incapable of having any relationship - emotional or physical - I mean you can hardly - ahem - penetrate diamond comfortably. I think the former's more likely though. Diamond Vagina, sounds like a really bad Riot Girrl band.

Re. the school is huge comment - on another level this could mean that mutant education is more than the Institute - many of the teachers - including Xavier - could do with further education. Or at least 'unlearning' their human-framed ideologies.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:17 / 25.03.03
With her telekinetic powers Jean could prevent Emma from switching into diamond form This one is certainly for the geeks to chew on...

Would She need to use her telepathic powers to shut off the part of Emma's mind that activates her Diamond form? Or could she actually prevent the change on a molicular level?

Is there really a difference from what Scott did for UGLY John and what Xorn did for QQ????
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:47 / 25.03.03
What makes you think Jean's any less messed-up than Scott? She's the one who represses all of her rage until she loses control and the Phoenix takes over. Remember in Germ Free Generation, when she manifests that Phoenix raptor in her confrontation with the U-Men? Do you remember why that happened? She just thought about all of her anger towards Scott. Jean is no better or worse than Scott or Emma. It's easy to make her a victim, it's easy to set her up as the infallible goddess figure, but she's human like the rest of them. However, I strongly doubt that she will injure or murder Emma Frost.

This whole Scott/Emma thing is a reversal of the old Jean/Logan thing. Both Scott and Jean are profoundly repressed individuals who define themselves by being Charles Xavier's deputies and by their codependent relationship. They have a natural attraction to the flamboyant sexuality and percieved freedoms of Emma and Logan - Logan's the wild man, Emma's the bad girl. They're not just the opposites of their spouse, but of themselves. A lot of the point here is that Scott and Jean are the same, something which hasn't been explored before in the X-Men comics. Back in #131, there's a bit of Emma dialogue that foregrounds the subtext of it all. She says that we all know what happens when Jean cuts loose, but what about Scott? She also suggests that Jean is terrified of Scott's emotions, which is probably very true.

I'm not crazy about the idea of Jean turning off Emma's powers, it's too fan-geeky, and as such, something Grant probably won't do. They'll probably just talk it out.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Xorn help to kill Quire's body so that he could ease him out of his 'flesh cocoon' and disperse into the light form that he was becoming?

The Cyclops/Ugly John bit happened in the second issue of NXM, Ugly John was dying and Scott euthanised him by removing his ruby quartz contact lens and blowing his head off.
 
 
Mr Tricks
00:02 / 26.03.03
Excellent Post there Flex...

I keep wondering how Grant's gonna work some Mutant version of a traditional marriage out of the Jean-Scott-Emma thing.

Maybe Jean will has Emma for help in being a "Bad Girl"

Or free Scott to choose

or Jump in and it's be a psychic threesome... they are only thinking about it...

whatever the case it seems like the situation will be for Jean to deside.
 
 
A
05:41 / 26.03.03
A few points-

*Dummy isn't listed in the special class on the introduction page, but the end of the introduction says something like "one student is dead- sophie", so I don't know what to think.

*The Cuckoos seem pretty calm about their sister dying, but maybe it's just a case of "don't get mad, get even".

*The times in NewXMen where Scott doesn't seem to be repressed and uptight are when he's being a superhero. He pretty much switches immediately into being confident, calm and in control. There's even the scene where Jean says "Scott, you're my favourite superhero". This doesn't seem to just be a coincidence, so I'm wondering how this will fit into the whole Scott/Emma/Jean thing.

*I don't think that, after Xavier retires, there will necessarily be a new headmaster at all. A strong underlying theme of Morrison's run so far has been about mutant culture being about fluidity (or chaos, or anarchy, whatever you want to call it), but this has been largely overshadowed by the ethics of telepathy, the strengths and/or failings of Xavier's "dream", and others of the many themes and plot strands running through NewXMen

We've seen the abandonment of timetables (on the suggestion of students) and Xavier not condemning drug use outright (he says something like "I'm not going to tell anyone what to do" and just warns the students of possible results of kick use based on actual research). We've also seen The Omega Gang rebelling against Xavier's authority, largely in an attempt to assert and define their own identities, but without considering Xavier's philosophies on much more than a surface level.

I think that the very idea of "authority" may well be removed from the school altogether, and the school will be run by the students and the teachers together.
 
 
Quireboy
08:11 / 26.03.03
No I don't think that Jean or Emma will really injure one another - at least in the physical sense (that would be a Claremont resolution) - I expect a character assassination not a murder in that confrontation - in line with most of the other major telepathic 'battles' in the book, which have been philosophical arguments as much as displays of raw power. Jean and Emma were initially set up as diametrical opposites within Xavier's dream - although the boundaries between their ethics have blurred as the story has developed - particualry regarding telepathy.

It's hard to know what Xorn did in the infirmary as his powers are still quite loosely defined - that said we've only seen his 'energy beams' kill before. But while I can see the parallel with Ugly John's death, I still think the scene more closely mirrors Jean saving Charles in Cerebra. That Charles lived - and his mind was restored - and Quentin died - and his mind possibly ascended - is part of the point. And perhaps suggests that Jean needs to let go of her old superhero thinking and become more like Xorn.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:16 / 26.03.03
It's Manhattan in this case because the school's pretty close to it - if the school is to expand that much, something has to go and hey, it's New York - which fits with the idea that mutants could really be something of a menace - that's one way to read Quentin's epiphany, although it seems counter-intuitive to what GM seems to be doing in this book as a whole...
 
 
Quireboy
09:39 / 26.03.03
This may sound banal but just look through Morrison's run and compare Jean and Emma's hairstyles - the point has been raised before, particularly with regards to the Cuckoos. But in NXM138 we have Emma adopting Jean's pigtales, dressing up as Dark Phoenix, and moving in on her man - she covets Jean's life - her marriage, her emotional control, her position in the team, her abilities as a leader/teacher.

Re. the point about Emma's example and how this leads to Sophie's death - you could widen that out to the whole glorification of matrydom in the X-Men - the superhero idea, which Morrison is questioning. Consider Monet's outraged comment to Fantomex after he kills Darkstar - "She was a superhero!'
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
15:34 / 26.03.03
Is anyone taking votes for Manhatten being gone and the school is huge not being directly connected? Because my feeling is that, while I don't know about the first one, the second one suggests that somehow the Xavier philosophy (whatever it turns out to be) manages to transcend the school at last. The whole world becomes a school for our development into the beings from the end of WWIII (jumping continuities I know...) Maybe Manhatten being gone has something to do with the Phoenix being back.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:48 / 26.03.03
With-in the story I don't think Manhattan will "fall" in aliteral sence.
Story-wise that was done with Geneosha... unless Grant plans a Human equivilant...

The School being Huge seems more like a progression of the X-corporation's expansion. Wouldn't it stant to reason that each branch of the X-corp would have a sort of school annex with scholarship programs available for mutants to spend a semester at the main univercity?

Maybe Scott & Jean need to do a little roleplaying where Scott gets to play a supervillian? heheh... Dark Cyclops.

With all this chatting I'm wishing GM would take over the writting chores of Uncanny X-man as well... Can you see the potential of ARCHANGLE running the NYC branch of X-corp. The emplications of "mutant relegion/spirituality" lead by Nightcrawler. Iceman playing...er, jackfrost. ETC . . .
 
 
Aertho
16:56 / 26.03.03
As much as there are inconsistensies between the Earth X dogma and the standard Marvel Universe, I can't help but beat myself over the head with the idea Krueger developed as the cause and course of "mutations". Over the course of three series, Krueger states that all mutations are the same thing: they develop according to belief. Hence, spider bites Parker, become Spider-Man. Charlie wants to understand his Momma's pain, become uber-telepath.

Seems to me all these Omegas are the same thing too. Jean's Phoenix persona is merely the self-generated mask/door to her final mutation. Anyone mention Meggan Braddock as a phyical-powered Omega yet?
 
 
Aertho
17:09 / 26.03.03
Scott DID become Dark Cyclops.

He was possessed by Apocalypse, and beat him somehow. (I'd love for someone to give me some details on that silly little story) Who's to say that part of that possession-ing wasn't the fact that Scott was partially responsible for the actions taken as Cyclopalypse? That the mere belief that he was "overpowered" by a malevolent force allowed him to commit the atrocities? That he was led to believe that he had become a supervillian, so why not act like one?

Once he saw things from that angle, he probably understood Dark Phoenix a LOT more. Normal "Good" is boring too when you can think backward in time and change the world with a snap.

I still think that Cyclops doesn't need ruby quartz anymore, and he's faking it to justify having a "mutant problem".
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:19 / 26.03.03
"Mutant morality", "mutant religion", "mutant laws", "mutant culture" etc - am I the only one who thinks those ideas are utter bullshit, and Grant Morrison knows it? We've yet to see anything substantially different about the morality and mores of the mutants in the comics before or after Grant Morrison and Joe Casey started writing the comics. I can't begin to fathom what "mutant morality" et al would entail, and why basic human ethics and decency would be inherantly inferior to (or necessarily different from) someone who is made out of wax or can shoot beams out of their eyes. It's pure snobbishness, it's meaningless and hateful elitism. It's delusional Magneto-talk.

And don't try to tell me that the X-Men's new quasi-pacifist agenda is an example of "mutant morality". There's plenty of liberal pacifists in the world, and I'm pretty sure none of them have mutant powers.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:21 / 26.03.03
...and if Lawrence was around, I'm sure he'd pipe in and note that notions of "mutant morality" and "mutant justice" are in fundamental opposition to the integrationalist philosophy of Charles Xavier's
"dream."
 
 
The Falcon
18:04 / 26.03.03
It's (only) a comic, Flux.

And these ideals aligned with evolutionary thought processes, telepathy that is, and the distinct foreknowledge that mutants are going to be/replace humanity, might make you want to shake up the old paradigms a bit. Or at least start doing so.
 
 
Persephone
19:36 / 26.03.03
Well this is the thing I wonder... isn't Xavier's integrationist dream just totally irrelevant? Wasn't it made irrelevant in E Is For Extinction --i.e., by Grant Morrison, by writing in this twist that humans will be extinct fairly soon anyway? It seems to me that "mutant morality" should develop into something that eases humans out of their existence as kindly as possible. And perhaps something that learns as much about humanity as possible, before the human race dies out. Although mutants are humans still, aren't they?

Ah, well. I sort of complained about this right after I finished E Is For Extinction, it seems to me that GM's skipping over his story too quickly. Homo sapiens is hardly getting a second thought --e.g., what Beast said to the Omega Gang about the humans not being to blame: it's not about them, it's about us. It's very adolescent of mutants to always think it's all about them. Humans are dying, and do they care? Mmph, it's a little frustrating... I like this comic, but I think it has the potential to be better & to do more.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
21:13 / 26.03.03
Wolverine said Dummy was presumed evaporated. Basilisk was making fart jokes about his missing classmate. Xavier really didn't mention him at the award ceremony. The only person I remember who gave a damn was Barnell, when he was on his knees in tears holding Dummy's shredded, empty suit, while everyone else stayed a distance away, possibly due to the smell.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:54 / 26.03.03
"Mutant morality", "mutant religion", "mutant laws", "mutant culture" etc - am I the only one who thinks those ideas are utter bullshit, and Grant Morrison knows it?

Oh absolutely... that's what makes it so cool... funny y'know.

Also I agree with...
It seems to me that "mutant morality" should develop into something that eases humans out of their existence as kindly as possible. And perhaps something that learns as much about humanity as possible, before the human race dies out.

Reminds me of Xorn's helping QQ with letting go of his remaining worldly attachments... Micro Macro?
With that in mind it almost justifies Magneto's stance on clearing earth of "humans" rather than seeking to preserve humanity out of a desire to live peacfully with 'em.

Dummy was presumed evaporated.
Aren't they talking about a Quest for Dummy Miniseries... written by Luise Simonson with art my Jae Lee???
 
  

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