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New X-Men #138

 
  

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Aertho
22:52 / 20.03.03
I don't think Angel is really pregnant. She may be, but sickness and loss of her period may be another mutation, similar to Barnell's amazing shrinking beak. The fact that her anatomy isn't like other girl's might be another "physical coccoon" to break out of. That's one cent.

Another cent will drop after I read it again.
 
 
Quireboy
23:04 / 20.03.03
Flux, playing along with your theory of sinister Xorn ... well he does step in just as Quentin starts to tell the professor about the real enemy being inside all along. And we've only seen him use direct exposure to his face to kill people in the past - although Quentin clearly wasn't turned to ash.

But at the moment I still think that it's unlikely he's simply a wolf in sheeps clothing. We still don't really know the full scope of Xorn's capabilities or his motives so the ambiguity of his action remains. And perhaps that's the point - he's beyond human conception and morality.

Moving on, notice how he takes charge in the infirmary while the Professor witters on in the background. There's going to be a big plot twist with Xorn I'm sure but whether he's hidding some dark secret or will turn out to be central to mutantkind's ultimate evolution - as mentor and catalyst - is as yet unclear.

Or maybe Quentin is suggesting that there is something inherently wrong in mutantkind - that mutation is a threat to the 'cosmic balance' or something. Perhaps this is where Jean's judgement comes in. His words to Xavier did recall Jean's comments in NXM128 before and during her Phoenix vision. Notice too how Xavier couldn't see into Quentin's mind, just as he was blinded by Jean's psychic light.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
01:42 / 21.03.03
Or maybe Quentin is suggesting that there is something inherently wrong in mutantkind - that mutation is a threat to the 'cosmic balance' or something.

I think you're on to something there, I think that's where Grant is headed with this. It ties in to what the Shi'Ar were saying about the mutant race reaching some level of toxicity dangerous to the entire universe, and that the Phoenix will purge it all soon.
 
 
The Falcon
02:28 / 21.03.03
On another couple of tacks:

Xavier quit. He quit. That's quite exciting.

Scott - 'En Sabah Nur (Apocalypse, if you were wondering) made life seem boring.' I just think it's a fantastic line, and an accurate summary of Scott and how he's acted forever - dull, straightforward, being a 'superhero'. And, look, there's so much more...
 
 
perceval
06:17 / 21.03.03

Jean knows exactly what humanity will one day become. Back in X-Men Forever, she saw and felt "millions of years of exponentially increasing evolutionary growth" in a span of seconds. She knows where the species is going, and how it all ends.

So, she may feel the need to make sure it grows the way it's supposed to, that the species doesn't become tyrannical preditors.

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The Natural Way
09:17 / 21.03.03
I just love the way Emma's so clever, clever in her seductions: She doesn't bullshit Scott, but she plays on all the right insecurities.

It's all so plausible.

And the way she reduces all that Phoenix business to a wink-wink sexual metaphor:

"I'm going to burn the universe to cinders unless you...blah"

Notice the way she *ices up* when the Cuckoos leave her. Scott and Emma really have to ditch the control kick.

Finally, the stuff Quire's waffling about is just invissy stuff: The enemy within, the "larger rooms", birth, parents..... The mutants are Grant's metaphor for the next evolutionary jump. He's a utopian - they're not going to turn into evil monsters. Well.....it might depend on yr perspective, I suppose.
 
 
Ganesh
09:32 / 21.03.03
The limitations of Xavier's telepathy are interesting. As well as Quire and Jean (as previously mentioned) he's also indicated he has trouble probing Xorn's mind. Perhaps an invulnerability to telepathic scanning is one of the hallmarks of Omega-level mutants?
 
 
Aertho
12:44 / 21.03.03
Isn't it possible that Jean and Quire and Xorn instinctively, or at least "know" due to their mutations, the teachings of the White Flame Meditation? Xavier can't probe their minds because he can't grasp any of their personality limitations. Maybe.
 
 
Quireboy
15:10 / 21.03.03
Quimper - I'm not sure that Xorn's mind-reading abilities necessarily put him above telepaths. He may be able to read psionic energy - and even manipulate it - but that doesn't mean he can control others' thoughts or disseminate his memes as a telepath can.

On the issue of Omega level secondary mutation - both Jean and Xorn can manipulate energy - through their telekenisis and gravity control repectively - Quentin had no such ability. Jean's comments in NXM133 about the "molecular ringtone" of Llilandra's bullet and care sound rather Xorn-like don't you think?

Perhaps the threat from within is Xavier's mistrust of Jean, as he misinterprets the warnings of the Shi'ar about the Phoenix as a sign that she will become the Dark Phoenix - a fear that might be heightened if Emma dies in NXM140. I.e. she's killed and Jean seems the most likely suspect but it's a set up.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:17 / 21.03.03
I find it sort of interesting that some of you focus so much on the more powerful god-like characters and sort of gloss over what's going on with the more human characters in the comic.

All the metaphysical mumbo-jumbo with Xorn/Quentin/Jean/etc doesn't mean nearly as much as Beak proclaiming "I am NOT a loser! I am so sick of that word!" if you ask me. Beak is the heart and soul of this comic.
 
 
Aertho
16:05 / 21.03.03
I agree Flux. The students are the actual protagonists, and the teachers are the archetypes that are everpresent and influence them. We've already discussed the parallel relationships between the Special Class and The Original X-Men. I thoroughly enjoy the retroactive character studies of watching Beak develop -and learning more about the struggles of growing up and becoming Cyclops. ALL the kids are gonna surpass their teachers, leaving Xavier WAY behind.
 
 
Quimper
18:39 / 21.03.03
One thing I did notice about Beak was that, after the Cuckoos demolished Quentin, everyone pretty much stayed clear of the area, except Barnell and maybe one other student. But Beak walked right up to Quentin next to Beast. Just a little background glimpse of his bravery.

And speaking of students, Dummy has to be alive. He must have existed without his pervert suit at some point. Maybe Jean can reach him like she did Sooraya. In fact, maybe Dummy and Dust can have some hot, molecular-level, not entirely biological sex.
 
 
Quimper
19:32 / 21.03.03
Quireboy, true Xorn cannot distribute memes like a telepath, but he is impervious to them, it would seem, because of his higher brain make-up. You're right that he is not above telepaths. But he is a counter-balance.

I don't think I could handle Emma dying next issue. That would be the death of New. Please Grant. Put the psibolt down.

I have a prediction. I think we are going to see the mustachioed couple Beast saved from Herman again. They seem like the next logical progression in Hank's subplot. Maybe they will speak out for Beast, making Hank a new gay icon on par with Graham Norton. "You are watching 'Soooo Hank McCoy." Of course, this is based on the assumption they were gay. Being a homosexual, I feel comfortable with the following comment: Wife-beaters, Hawaiian shirts, tight jeans, a convertible, mustaches...Hell-O!
 
 
Aertho
19:37 / 21.03.03
Exactly right about Dummy. In fact, Phoenix and Dust may work in concert to reconstitute him. The very fact that he can't or exist anthropomorphically is probably another analogy for "transcension", like QQ, JG, Xorn, No-girl, etc. Dummy may like it better as he is now.

Now: Sooraya-as-Phoenix, consider that one. Here we have a girl forced into servitude and a submissive persona-role by her culture. She utterly destroyed men who tried to remove her burka-the physical manifestation of her role/persona/culture. Now she's being brought to a school that will ducate her in the ways of transcension, where she'll predictably and fearfully remove her burka and experience life as a mutant girl. The students reflect the teachers reflect the students.
 
 
Aertho
19:40 / 21.03.03
Perhaps after Beast is called Out, he'll comment on his ploy and out his Out-ness. Another transcension, this time semantic and about fluid sexual identity as an image only.
 
 
Mike-O
07:35 / 22.03.03
Such a wonderful feeling it is to come to such enlightening revelations with this issue, and accordingly with the finale of Morrison's second year on the title. Seems to me that this year was a means to an end... but in the best possible way... the stories of Year II are so beautifully character driven (not that they're not always character driven), that without having a cohesive, singular threat/linear path, the exploration of who these characters really are and what they are falling into in these bold new worlds is even more stunning than the stories of Year I. And undoubtedly, completely set up the unimaginable greatness that will be Year III. Quireboy, you and I have put off discussion for too long, old friend. Time to assess all of this foreboding...
 
 
Quireboy
07:24 / 23.03.03
Well I think the point about the students surpassing Xavier is an interesting one. Not necessarily from a power perspective but just in their mentality. Xavier's dream of peaceful co-existence is rapidly reaching its sell-by date because mutants will soon be in the majority. The question then is how do you prevent the mutant race from fracturing and what do you do about baseline humanity? How do you build a mutant nation, form a government? The new generation of mutants needs a new mentor, which is where Xorn seems to fit in. Is it just co-incidence that his name begins with X? Perhaps where Xavier was the X in the original X-Men, Xorn's the X in the New X-Men.

Beak, Angel, the Special Class, etc - yeah, great characterisation - perhaps the most successful and well realised/developed element of the Riot arc. I haven't discussed this much becuase it doesn't require much analysis. Of course they're the ordinary joes caught up in the philosophical struggles that run throughout the book. Just a couple of thoughts though. Is Beak's beak meant to be shrinking? And have he and Angel gone all the way since the U-Men attack, or does rubber provide no barrier to mutant chicken baby gravy?

Flux, I don't think that Xorn is evil, but taking up your devil's advocate role ... what if Xorn killed Quentin because he doesn't want any other Omega level mutants to realise their fully evolved form? He may have spent all those years in meditation but he was also used to kill people - might that not have an effect on his personality? And Xorn using his energy beams - albeit filtered through his helmet - so soon after he used them to kill the U-Men does raise the question what exactly did he do in the infirmary scene? Also notice how in Jean's vision in NXM128 Xorn is lying apart from - and in front off - the other X-Men.

I still think that this is Grant probably toying with the fanboys who prefer their characters' morality to be black or white rather than in shades of grey though.
 
 
Quireboy
07:57 / 23.03.03
On another point - interesting how Emma and Jean who have been set up as moral opposites within Xavier's dream now both have one 'star pupil' each - Angel and Sooraya, who couldn't appear more different if they tried. Possibly a reflection of their respective teacher's philosophy and sexual politics.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:00 / 23.03.03
I was looking through all of the "season 2" issues last night, and I think the whole year is fairly well summed up in Xavier's conversation with Xorn in #127 when he says this:

"One of the ways they survived was by forming themselves into groups or tribes, gathering around flags and books and laws...a shared ideal is one of the best ways to hold a tribe together in the face of chaos. But now the tribes are all sharing the same tent, and we can all be guilty sometimes of mistaking our ideas for things."

I don't think it's so simple as a need for someone to radically alter Xavier's goals or for someone else to usurp him - I don't think Xavier is really meant to be seen as an old idealistic fool at all. I think Xavier is still meant to be a heroic wise man with a grand vision - the point Grant seems to be headed in is that it is silly and problematic to only look to ONE heroic wise person with a grand vision.

Quentin Quire fails twice; first when he tries to emulate Xavier, second when he tries to be Magneto - he's a victim of the old binary oppositions. He had no real ideas - 'sieze the school and THEN WHAT?" Quentin Quire really could have been something if he just went his own way - or maybe he eventually will in his new transcendental form. Likewise, the Cuckoos take a major fall when they mindlessly follow Emma's example.

Oh - I wouldn't think too much about Beak's beak length. I think that's just a part of Frank Quitely's one big weakness as an artist - his inability to draws faces consistently from panel to panel and page to page.
 
 
Aertho
15:44 / 23.03.03
Hmmm... perhaps Beak's beak is shrinking in relation to his growing confidence. His nose was significantly larger during Quitely's issues of Imperial, and shrank noticeably from issue one of Riot to issue four. It MAY just be Quitely being Quitely, but it's a pet theory anyway.

Beak may still be transforming -he used to have reversed forearms and talons. It is puberty for these kids. Maybe Beak will grow completely out of his avian features, and resemble baselines. So much for physical mutant transcension -it's always been mental.
 
 
Mike-O
18:53 / 23.03.03
I've noticed this "transformation" of sorts as well... I doubt it's slack on Quitely's part... I'd say he's been fairly consistent with his designs, despite some opinion to the contrary. Perhaps Barnell IS adapting, based on his personality or just simply a natural, further growth upon his mutation. If only FQ had a forum, eh?
 
 
Quireboy
19:52 / 23.03.03
Again we have the comparison between Angel and Beak facing up to their relationship problems and Scott and Emma trying to avoid facing theirs - until Jean's intervention. Just how will Emma stay on the team if Jean takes over the school?

It could just be co-incidence but the shadows on Jean's face on the last page look exactly the same as those on her face when she first confronted the White Queen during the Dark Phoenix saga. The difference being that the look on her face is not mocking and threatening but anger and disappointment. I'm not sure what to expect from the psychic catflight but I don't think it will be a full-blown battle.
 
 
bio k9
00:13 / 24.03.03
The ugly ducklings are going to turn out to be swans. And their child could turn out to be be the next Omega class mutant.
 
 
Quireboy
16:41 / 24.03.03
Hmm, well we've yet to see an Omega-level physical mutation - as oppose to an energy (Xorn) or psionic (Jean, Quentin) Omega mutation.

I'm surprise no one's commented on the cover yet - after all the speculation that Xavier was stepping into Cerebra to administer some telepathic aversion therapy. Instead he's removing his helmet ... symbolosing how he's stepping down as headmaster. Bring on Xorn's X-Men...
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:41 / 24.03.03
I half expect Jean to jump in and Scott to be faced with with both a Black & White Queen!!! why not transend an either or situation? Besides, I wonder if Emma would be able to "Handle" jean in that way? sigh... I doubt a threesome would get past editorial...

Other bits:

Emma lies about her age.

Charles tells Beast to "go Fetch"

Sports car with a "Pinesol" air freshiner

Xorn's strong enough to dislodge that Cement mixer from the truck!!!

What if Xorn's treatment of QQ is the "Murder at the Manson"

Wolverine as Gym teacher... and he doesn't bother to grab a seat durring the prize giving.
 
 
Quireboy
17:02 / 24.03.03
Hah, Mr Tricks you hit the nail on the head with Wolverine - he'll have them climbing ropes before eying them up in the showers and telling them they're old enough to wear jockstraps and support bras next! (What would mutant jocks straps and support bras look like ... no don't even go there!)

Xavier can always rely on Beast to go fetch - of his original students only Jean doesn't play ball.

As for the murder ... well what if terrible discovery that Jean and Beast come across is the U-Men killed by Xorn, which then (wrongfully) casts suspicion on what exactly he did in the infirmary.

Any other guesses as to what Jean and Beast might find? A body? Who's creating Kick? Logan in a jockstrap - or worse still a sports bra...

Back to Xavier notice how his comments that peaceful coexistence might not be the solution hint at the forthcoming assault on Weapon Plus. Will this be another example of Xavier missing the point?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:24 / 24.03.03
Oh. Oooh. I think the "murder" might be the Xorn/U-Men thing. I think you've got it.

What makes you think Emma was lying about her age? 27 seems about right for her, if Charles is only 42.
 
 
Quireboy
17:35 / 24.03.03
Nah - Jean might be 27 if Charles is now 42 but Emma would be at least 31 or 32. I mean she calls herself Aunty Em...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:23 / 24.03.03
She calls herself that because she's creepy!
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
18:54 / 24.03.03
I half expect Jean to jump in and Scott to be faced with with both a Black & White Queen!!! why not transend an either or situation? Besides, I wonder if Emma would be able to "Handle" jean in that way? sigh... I doubt a threesome would get past editorial...

A lot has been made of the upcomming cover (can't remember ths issue #) with Jean and Emma as Dark Phoenix and the White Queen again being all T&A-ish. What if it's Emma as Phoenix and Jean as the White Queen. I mean as of the end of this ish, they're halfway there.

-K
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:54 / 24.03.03
I have to say, I'd have put Emma's age at around 33.

And her life expectancy somewhere similar. On the basis of this issue, and a few other deductions, I wouldn't advise her to start reading any long novels. She'll be cut down in her prime...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:06 / 24.03.03
I don't think so. I think Grant's only beginning to flesh out Emma as a character, and I think we're going to see out Emma's tutelage of Angel Salvadore. It seems to me that Emma's in the NXM story for the long haul.
 
 
Quimper
19:17 / 24.03.03
The U-Men possibility is a strong one as far as who the "murder" refers to. This would again bring the ethics of the Institute into question. The X-men are officially against killing. Xorn killed those U-men. Again the double-edged sword that is Xorn. The healer gets the Institute in trouble for taking life.

But, then again, it was clear self-defense. Would Morrison even bother?

What if Xorn is investigated and arrested? Oh the delicious "irony" of Xorn being thrown in a cell once again. Or, maybe he'd rather go on the lam than spend another minute in an iron prison. Maybe he'll go into self-exile, taking his children with him. I'm already seeing a splinter group at the Institute of Xorn, Jean and Dust forming. Maybe she'll leave with him.

I don't think it unreasonable that Jean could conceivably leave the Institute. Her act of rebellion in letting Fantomex go, her broader understanding of the way things are than Xavier, and catching Scott and Emma could make her throw in the towel.
 
 
glassonion
08:15 / 25.03.03
emma's clearly so old she's at least a bingo fan: 'my age,...' 27 has to be a lie.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:48 / 25.03.03
Who's she lying to? The air? Herself? The Cuckoos have already buggered off, haven't they?

I like the idea that Emma was really young when she was in the Hellfire Club - Drew Barrymore X. I know it doesn't quite fit with continuity etc., but it's only Lawrence God who cares about that shit and he's nowhere to be seen at the mo'.

The murder thing? Xorn? Maybe. But I get the feeling this'n's more straight up Murder-in-the-parlour-with-the-hoon-axe than it is bombed out U-Men.
 
  

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