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What is "The Black Sun"?

 
  

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Unconditional Love
21:19 / 21.12.04
J.C. Prague seems to be a textbook of alchemy written in the houses and streets of the "Royal Route", the coronation path leading up to the hilltop castle and cathedral. Strategic features near the origin of this route include the house at 34 Celetna Street known as "At the Black Mother of God" where the famous statue of the Black Virgin is displayed just opposite the former headquarters of the Templar order.
Number 8 Celetna Street, known as "At the Black Sun" invokes the notion of golden light hidden in dense dark matter. At the place where Celetna Street opens up into Old Town Square lies two houses jointly known as "At the White Unicorn". This animal often associates itself with the Virgin. What is the significance of the Black Virgin of Prague and what is her role in alchemical practice?
V.Z. I agree with Fulcanelli on this. The black Madonnas are manifestations of the ancient goddesses in her form as Isis, Demeter and Cybele. She represents the black poisonous prima materia. Cybele, the wife of Cronos, mother of the gods of Olympus is also known as Rhea, who's name means fluid. This too is a property of the prima materia. During the Opus Magnum exhibit we placed the Black Virgin of Prague in the basement of the House of the Stone Bell upon a large black cubic stone. This cubic form is the root of the name "Cybele" or "Kubele" as we say it here. Her normal residence on Celetna Street is in a house of cubist architectural design. The moon is associated with these goddesses just as it is with the mother of Jesus. Mary crushes a serpent with her foot. This image indicates the fixation of mercury. People speculate on the alchemical symbolism hidden in the city of Prague. Consider Prague's heraldic coat of arms. An arm comes out of the castle doorway holding a sword. For many Czech hermeticists the sword represents the secret fire of the alchemists. Look at the iron grill work coming down from the top of the door. Does the net-like pattern remind you of anything? Look at the shape of the top of the door where the point of the sword rests. Have you seen this form before?

read the whole article here
 
 
Unconditional Love
21:27 / 21.12.04
EGO DEATH: BLACK SUN/THE RAVEN’S HEAD

“The principle of the art is the raven, who flies without wings on the blackness of the night and the brightness of the day.” . . .”The dragon shuns the light of the sun, and our dead son shall live. The king comes forth from the fire and rejoices in the marriage.”
Jung, Mysterium Coniunctionis
Alchemists called the blackness of the initial depression, grief or stuckness, the Raven’s Head or Black Sun, nigredo, melancholia = Saturn/Earth. Rings of Saturn. The sun is surrounded by the anima media natura and is therefore black. It is a state of incubation or pregnancy, foretelling rebirth from the living death of repression, aridity, or inability to work. Here is the juxtaposition of Sun and Sol-Niger, the anti-sun.
Life as ego has known it in the past is outmoded—the old self-image must die. This precedes psychological revolution and creative reorganization. The black substance of our own shadow must be met and reconciled. Mourning the death of the old self. Emotional participation unblocks the flow of psychic energy and sense of meaning.
The birth of the healing power from the Nigredo belongs to the archetype of the wounded healer. It reflects the psychological capacity as stated by Kerenyi, “to be at home in the darkness of suffering and there to find the germs of recovery with which as though by enchantment, to bring forth Asklepios, the sunlike healer.” This healer’s mother name Coronis means “crow maiden”. The bird of Hermes is also the Raven.
The caput mortuum (death or death head) or raven head is the head of the black Osiris or Ethiopian and also of the “Moon” in the Chymical Wedding. The skull is the vessel of this alchemical transformation. Prior to the change in self-image, one lives a living death, identified only with the vacuousness of the ego’s relative position—a suffering of spiritual poverty.
I, The Juggler or The Magician does his balancing act between the Sun and the Moon, the personified opposites. 0 and XXI The World, Daath octave, Babe in the Abyss, Nihilism. The Nigredo is called “black, blacker than black,” an existential stuckness, the empty void. But by cooking this raw state, a lighter, enlightened condition can emerge. In Northwest native lore, Raven carried his ball of light into the sky, so we no longer live in darkness.
In the alchemical stage known as Putrefactio, we keep up a continual fire and regulate its action so that the Materia Universalis is purified, regenerated and perfected within one vessel and furnace. Nature herself does the work by means of her own inward Fire; but the later is stimulated by the Philosophical Fire. No other work is required from the Alchemist, to perform, but to keep up the Fire by aspiration and prayer.

ego death the black sun ravens head
 
 
Unconditional Love
21:46 / 21.12.04
In ancient Mexican lore there lies behind the sun that shines a black sun which leaves this world to shed light upon another. The Aztecs believed the black sun was carried by the god of the underworld, and was the maleficent absolute of death.
 
 
Unconditional Love
21:48 / 21.12.04
MYTHS ABOUT THE TOLTECS
The history of the Toltec culture at Teotihuacan is shrouded in mystery. It is speculated that around the year 500 AD the Toltec Naguals and all their parties had learned how to transmute, to go through the Black Sun to the place of creation.

The entire culture is believed to have transmuted leaving the pyramids of Teotihuacan in abandonment until they were uncovered 500 years later around 1000 AD by the Aztecs. The Aztec were ruthless warriors who in their time conquered much of Mexico. The Aztecs were attracted to the Pyramid and adopted them as their own.

However, unlike the Toltecs, the Aztecs used their Power to control outside of themselves, instead of using Power to change ones own perception and action. They misunderstood the records of the Toltec teachings found at the pyramids and used them to glorify their violent ways.

They transformed the Toltec teachings into teachings of horror. The Toltecs taught of the giving of the open heart to the Sun. Taking the lesson literally the Aztecs performed human sacrifice.

The teachings of the Toltecs of Teotihuacan reside in the place, in the stones. The ancient Naguals energetically fed teachings to the sacred places. We can perceive this energy and teachings when we are open to changing our perception out of the old dream. Some ascended Naguals chose to stay in this dream, in what can be perceived as an 'upper grid' above Teotihuacan. They witness, guide and support our renewed work at Teotihuacan.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:50 / 21.12.04
Yes it is a strange translation. I thought it was all Latin, but none of the words would translate in an online dictionary.

You may not be having any luck with the online translations because Latin word endings change according to case and number.

VISITA is from visito, "I visit" or ""go to repeatedly"

INTERIORA is from interior, "deeper in"

TERRA is indeed "Earth", but you have it as terra (probably ablative) and terrae (probably genitive), which changes the meaning of the sentence - "visita interiora terra*e*" is prbably trying to say "Visit (imperative) the inner places (neuter plural) of the Earth (genitive singular). That actually makes better Latin, although I remain iffy.

RECTIFICANDO is an ablative gerund, from rectifico, which in turn is a backwards etymology from "rectificatio" - nasty late Latin for "harmonising". So, "by the act of harmonising".

INVENIES is second person singular future of "invenio" - I find - so, "you will find"

OCCULTUM is from occulo, "I cover over", and is here a perfect participle used adjectivally. Thus, "hidden". The etymological link to "eye" that your second document posits is deeply dodgy.

LAPIDEM is, as you say, from "lapis" - stone. It's the accusative singular.

So, it's not a strange translation, although "rectificando" smells like a made-up word to me. The problem with the logical structure of Latin is that you can fiddle about with it with a screwdriver to create such unlovely things.
 
 
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23:44 / 21.12.04
Thanks Haus, your knowledge of Latin is a great help here.

Adding 'by the act of harmonizing' to the meaning of RECTIFICANDO gives me more to work with than purifying did and seems to make the message clearer.

That Toltec stuff is interesting too wolfangel, especially the theories about them going through the black sun and the some of the Naguals choosing to stay here. Also the mentioning of Fulcanelli further up reminds me to try and track down one or two of his books if I can.
 
 
razorsmile
09:39 / 04.02.05
just a brief note to say that there's an article over here in the Chimaera Journal . Mind you, I've not read it yet but will do so in a mo - someone asked me to post the link (Kaotec from the Dionysian Underground) cos they can't get registered on Barbelith at the moment. Looks like it might be relevant to this discussion...
 
 
Salamander
14:12 / 04.02.05
Logos: "The Black Sun sheds darkness instead of light (if darkness were a substance instead of absence), and is rolled across the sky by the hind feet of the divine scarab Khefri. By its unlight, the visible becomes hidden and the secret becomes known."

There was an odd mad scientist named Deselby that lived in the 1800's that beleived that darkness was a physical substance, that electrical lights worked by absorbing the darkness, and that the discovery and utilization of electricity was the explanation for why there are fewer monsters now then in ancient times, no mention of a Black Sun in all this, just an besides I thought I should throw in...
 
 
_Boboss
14:22 / 04.02.05
'there was an odd mad scientist'

naughty.
 
 
Salamander
14:24 / 04.02.05
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!, ahem...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
17:49 / 04.02.05
Just to throw something a little different/contemporary into the mix:

Julia Kristeva, feminist, academic, poet, analyst: Black Sun, Depression and Melancholia:

"In Black Sun, Julia Kristeva addresses the subject of melancholia, examining this phenomenon in the context of art, literature, philosophy, the history of religion and culture, as well as psychoanalysis. She describes the depressive as one who perceives the sense of self as a crucial pursuit and a nearly unattainable goal and explains how the love of a lost identity of attachment lies at the very core of depression's dark heart.

In her discussion she analyzes Holbein's controversial 1522 painting "The Body of the Dead Christ in the Tomb," and has revealing comments on the works of Marguerite Duras, Dostoyevsky and Nerval. Black Sun takes the view that depression is a discourse with a language to be learned, rather than strictly a pathology to be treated."
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
17:50 / 04.02.05
More on Kristeva here
 
 
hashmal
18:44 / 05.02.05
does someone have a reference for the toltec stuff?

the world is deep: and deeper than day has ever comprehended. not everything may be spoken in the presence of day... night is also a sun.
-thus spake zarathustra.
 
 
hashmal
05:15 / 06.02.05
stumbled across an essay by de certeau at work today entitled 'the black sun of language: foucault.'

"The method remains the signifier of a signified that is impossible to put into words. The moment it demystifies the "positivism" of science or the "objectivity" of things by defining the cultural shifts which "created" them, it opens onto the nocturnal underside of reality, as if the fabric of words and things held within its net the secret of its own ungraspable negation...

Histoire de la folie recalls that dreams and madness had become, for the German romantics, the horizon of something "essential." In their time, unreason foreshadowed this "essential" something through lyric pathos or the literature of the absurd. For Foucault, unreason is no longer the outer limit of reason it is its truth. It is the black sun imprisoned in language, burning unbeknown to it..."
 
 
Kaotec
18:41 / 06.02.05
Hi,

Some of these Black Sun reference in the post modern texts are propably inherited from the French Surrealist movement, whose 'occult wing' was very much into the this image. There are also other literary references. The best place to see a Black Sun image is in Cocteau's mural at Notre Dame de France, the former 'French Resistance church' n Leicester Square that got bombed and was redecorated by old Jean before he snuffed it.
 
 
Kaotec
18:46 / 06.02.05
Rumour has it that Black Sun groups are very active at the present time, but they are highly secretive.
 
 
Kaotec
20:55 / 06.02.05
>known as "At the Black Mother of God" where the famous >statue of the Black Virgin is displayed just opposite the >former headquarters of the Templar order.

The Templar church in London is aligned to the sunrise on the day Persephone traditionally rises from the Underworld.

Persephone, or Proserpine as the Roman's would have known her was of cause known as 'the Queen of Hades' and unless I'm mistaken she was also refered to as the 'Black One'.

In the context of alchemy she represents Nigredo again.
 
 
Kaotec
21:10 / 06.02.05
Oh yeah I forgot, Persephone was also the Mother of the God Zagreus, or Dionysos, who later went on to be the archetype for both Christ and Satan, depending on your point of view.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:56 / 07.02.05
Oh yeah I forgot, Persephone was also the Mother of the God Zagreus, or Dionysos,

Slight amendment. Persephone was the mother of Zagreus. Zagreus was destroyed, divine seed of Zagreus was placed in Semele, was reborn as Dionysus. Of course, this depends on who you talk to. So, Dionysus is in sense born risen from the dead, and you can compare the spread of Dionysian cult through Greece with the Orphic mysteries of Zagreus.
 
 
Kaotec
05:44 / 09.02.05
Yep
 
 
Kaotec
05:46 / 09.02.05
The Greeks seemed to regard Zagreus as another name for Dionysos, as they later did with Sabazius. Hence the Sabazian Dionysos of the Roman Army, the God of Beer!

But thats a long way from the Black Sun
 
 
jorjun
10:03 / 09.02.05
There is nothing new under the Sun, white.
But under the black Sun there is only the new.

naah.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:10 / 09.02.05
The Greeks seemed to regard Zagreus as another name for Dionysos, as they later did with Sabazius

Could you cite? There certainly seems to be a lot of opportunity for perceptual slippage, since in a way Zagreus *is* Dionysus, but not in the same way the Verbenus or whatever his name is *is* Hippolytus, or indeed Tydeides *is* Diomedes. Most obviously, Zagreus is the child of Persephone and Dionysus of Semele in the dominant traditions.
 
 
eye landed
07:40 / 14.05.05
perhaps something to do with cold fusion...

im thinking doc oc in the spiderman movie.

(it has been a few months.)

someone was linking tool on the first page. please note, the writer of their newsletters is a prankster, even as hes an accomplished bookworm. but heres a quote from tools drummer (DC):

DR: What influences your music? Where does Tool's music come from?
DC: Normally it's just whatever we can glean from a black sunray- that "darkness which is darker than darkness."
 
 
Unconditional Love
14:16 / 15.05.05
the body and the black sun.
 
 
Unconditional Love
14:33 / 15.05.05
"By degrees we beheld the infinite Abyss, fiery as the smoke of a burning city; beneath us at an immense distance was the sun, black but shining..."

blake,marriage of heaven and hell.
 
 
Unconditional Love
08:42 / 07.09.05
The Egyptian scarab beetle god Khepri, as it is depicted in this image with the ray-like wings, distinctly resembles scientific drawings of total solar eclipses made by 19th century astronomers. Further research into the behavior of scarab beetles (aka dung beetles) and English translations of ancient Egyptian religious texts such as the Pyramid texts, the Coffin texts, and the Egyptian 'Book of the Dead' which the Egyptians actually called 'Coming Forth By Day' has convinced me that the scarab beetle god Khepri was in fact inspired by total solar eclipse phenomena and that Khepri represents the "black sun" that is formed by the new moon as it is seen during the total phase of a total solar eclipse (i.e. totality) when the darkened new moon seems to be endowed with the radiant white "wings" of the sun's corona.

Khepri
 
 
ghadis
10:14 / 07.09.05
Hmm, not entirely convinced with the Khepri as a Solar Eclipse deity idea. The link that you posted to Wolfangel seems like nonsense to me. The only bit of evidence he has is his discovery of 19th century black and white astronomical drawings of eclipses that looks like ancient Egyptians depictions of Khepri. Pretty flimsy I say.

The page that that guy links to, by Aymen Mohamed Ibrahem, is interesting and slightly more convincing but his main reasoning behind his theories is his distaste at the idea that ancient Egyptians could identify Ra, the sun to a ball of shit that was rolled through the sky by a beetle. As he says, "I cannot conceive that the AEs likened their supreme god, the Sun, to a dung ball."

He uses, as evidence, his interpretation of Utt 600 of the Pyramid Texts as an ancient solar eclipse record.

"O Atum-Kehpri You became high in the height.
You rose up as the Benben Stone in the mansion of the Phoenix in Heliopolis"

I guess you could interpret that as an eclipse. He doesnt make any mention of other parts of the Pyramid Texts such as Utt 662 where the rising sun is addressed in the morning by the King..

"O Shining One! O Shining One! O Khepri! O Khepri! You are for the King and the King is for you."

Do solar eclipses rise each morning and do they shine? Could be translated as illuminate I suppose. It is an interesting idea though and I haven?t read his other research on the subject yet.

Incidentally Wolfangel, I may be a good idea when you're copying and pasting chunks of texts from websites to put them in italics or quotation marks. I was a bit confused at first about whether they were your words or not.
 
 
Unconditional Love
13:13 / 07.09.05
Your right i should be less confusing in general.
 
 
grant
15:20 / 23.01.06
Might be interested in this Laboratory thread about Nemesis, the dark partner to our sun.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
17:57 / 23.01.06
interesting stuff about NEMESIS

could it be the black sun occupies the "empty" focus of our elliptical orbit?

(among all the other theories).

the bo-vril thing is too funny.

ttfn
--not jack
 
 
Sebastian Kant
19:06 / 23.01.06
RE: Visita Interiora Terra Rectificando Invenies Occultum Lapidem




Often translated; "Visit the interior of the earth and through rectification you will find the hidden stone"

Taking the first letter of each of the Latin words an acrostic is formed: VITRIOL
Vitriol is an acid used to extract metals from the ground.



The black sun is an eclipse - that is to say a kind of conjunction of the sun and the moon - The Sun at Midnight and indeed part of the Black stage of the alchemical work. At this early stage the sun and the moon are not yet integrated and so the moon occults the sun in the process and this is often represented by Saturn, Kronos or Death imagery and involves the purification of the dross matter.
 
 
Dead Megatron
17:24 / 24.01.06
There's a pretty cool book about esoteric nazism (and other similar creepy stuff) called - guess it - "Black Sun". Here's the link:
link

sorry, I forgot how to turn the link into something less, well, "link-ish"
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:26 / 24.01.06
thanks for the help, mod...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:27 / 24.01.06
(Pssst--there's a link to the wiki entry on formatting links ect. at the top of the 'post reply' window.)
 
  

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