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"Cheating" Vegetarians

 
  

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mondo a-go-go
16:11 / 08.11.05
But Mono, you're the cheatingest vegan that I know! Hee.

I'm not vegetarian, because I eat fish, and verrrry occasionally eat meat, but if I'm sharing a meal with people, they will sometimes still talk about me as though I am a vegetarian. Sometimes they behave as though I've lapsed because I admit to eating fish, but I've always ate fish.
 
 
*
16:30 / 08.11.05
Was cautiously ovo-lacto-veg, with supplements, for three weeks. Almost went to the hospital. B12 absorption problems, pernicious anemia, could lead to neurological damage. Who knew?
 
 
Claris Dancers
17:31 / 08.11.05
I'm The Goddamn Sudnam!
I'm honestly surprised that no one's been crude enough to make veggie-human nuggets or somesuch, if only as a novelty. It's always seemed a bit funny to me that there exist so many veggie analogues of actual meat. Why not take it to the next level?


The Daily Show recently had a segment on someone who is actually doing this. See here.
 
 
lekvar
19:15 / 08.11.05
I just recently fell out of a 7-year vegitarian diet. I entered into it for health reasons and concerns about how factory farms operate. Free-range meat lessens the latter concern. The increased sense of well-being that comes after a salmon steak indicates to me that my dietary needs have changed over the past 7 years. I still eat a lot less meat than the average American (3-4 meals a week rather than 1-2 meals a day being meat-based).

What feelings have accompanied my switch? Physically, I feel a lot better now that I rely less on milk and cheese for my protein. Mentally, I tend to be in a better mood too. My gas is atrocious though.

I find I'm in a funny limbo - vegitarians don't consider me a proper vegitarian and carnivores don't consider me a proper carnivore. Oh well.

I was talking to one of my oldest friends on the phone and I told him that I wasn't a vegitarian any more and he welcomed me back like som poor lost lamb. I told him I still didn't eat cow 'cause I don't really like it. There was a minute's silence. He then told me that I was still a vegitarian if I didn't eat red meat.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
19:35 / 08.11.05
I lapse occasionally. Often when drunk. It's never as exciting as I anticipate. Presumably because I'm drunk and eating manky chicken pizza rather than Crispy Duck or Fondue Bourgigone.

What an eedjut.
 
 
skolld
19:53 / 08.11.05
I find myself in a similar situation to Lekvar, ever since my experiment a few months back with going vegetarian, i have only been buying vegetarian type foods for my home. When i go out however i don't mind eating a little meat here and there. My friends however have a difficult time understanding this. There conlcusion is that it must somehow be 'unhealthy'.
So i guess i don't see it as cheating. I like to think of myself as liberated, not having to stick the dogma of vegetarianism or the misguided ignorance of the more carnivorous.

Oh, and Lekvar, lemon juice can help alleviate gas.
 
 
lekvar
20:14 / 08.11.05
"Liberated," I like that. I think I'll use that from now on.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
20:19 / 08.11.05
I lapse occasionally. Often when drunk. It's never as exciting as I anticipate. Presumably because I'm drunk and eating manky chicken pizza rather than Crispy Duck or Fondue Bourgigone.

I think you've done rather well there. I managed about three months of vegetarianism before going to a fancy (also drunken) dinner where -despite my having asked for the veggie option -I was served quail. The fact that that meant I lapsed entirely indicates, I think, that I was a crap veggie in the first place, but sticking with the not exciting meatie food when drunk sounds like a good plan...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:07 / 08.11.05
Ah, but I've been veggie for about 17 years now. And it's only in the last couple that I've started lapsing. Hmmm.
 
 
Loomis
09:04 / 09.11.05
Ah lekvar, I don't mean to be critical, but I'm not surprised if you didn't feel healthy if you were relying on milk and cheese for your protein. Weren't you eating plenty of beans, nuts, etc.?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:10 / 09.11.05
I never really feel the urge to lapse, to be honest. The only thing I really miss is black pudding, and I don't even know many meat-eaters who eat that stuff, so the likelihood of temptation being put in my way is pretty much fuck all. Added to which it's probably not as nice as I remember, by all accounts.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
13:04 / 09.11.05
I never even liked meat in the first place, which is why I don't eat it, so the idea of "lapsing" is largely irrelevant. The odd thing is, I quite like the Quorn and other meat substitues (chunks, mince, sausages, burgers) and eat them fairly often, having no or little recollection of eating the meat version in the first place in the case of, say, burgers or a roast.

The concept of bacon nostalgia was brought up by an associate, partly as a result of mis-hearing a Ghost lyric as it happens: the yearning of vegetarians for fried pig. I did have this for a while when I got into those fake bacon strips, but I usually don't bother with them now and only have faint musings on what it actually tastes like. While waiting for a bus this morning I smelled frying bacon, and I have to say it made me feel a little nauseous. Meat-free sausages on the other hand, are great; but I like them as much when they are blatantly NOT fake meat, but just sausages of vegetable or mycoprotein.

As for being tempted to try meat - I've never felt like it, but then I've not eaten it for about 23 years. I only ever used to like salami, bacon and sausages anyway, and am allergic (so I'm told) to fish so wouldn't eat that even if I wanted to. I have accidentally bitten into a prawn spring roll (but not swallowed it), and maybe once drank soup made from a chicken broth out of polite embarrassment when visitors came to my parent's house, so I suppose that might be a lapse - and not something I would repeat again.

What was most difficult was being served up what I suppose were chunks of beef when visiting Lilly Nowhere's grandfather, and not wishing to make a fuss over it, skirting around the quivering hunks of flesh to eat the vegeatables and then having to leave it all with a polite feigning of not being hungry. It wasn't one of those moments where it would have been appropriate to really even mention being vegetarian as we were guests in a wider social context than visiting just one person, but the even idea of even niblling delicately at a bit of meat is now making me feel unwell.

As for alcohol and kebabs - I have never understood the fuss over them in combination, but have found the local chips in pitta drenched in chilli and garlic sauces to be an admirable post-booze feast.

If on the other hand I were a vegan (and I've never really tried) I would almost definitely lapse into eating cheese. I did lapse back into eating eggs after many years of assiduously avoiding them, but it was the omelettes that did it. Especially the cheesy ones. Milk I find easy to avoid, and prefer the soya kind (as well as liking soya yoghurt a lot, but with a weakness for the Greek variety), but the soya cheeses available have been pretty vile for the most part. Oh yes, and non-dairy ice cream just isn't the same.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:20 / 09.11.05
Oi! Mango! Nooooooo!

Swedish Glace! Mmmmmm
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
15:29 / 09.11.05
Swedish Glace! Mmmmmm

Oh, it's all right, quite nice really - especially the Swedish Glacé - it just not the same.
 
 
lekvar
19:03 / 09.11.05
Loomis, I didn't rely on dairy products exclusively: From above,
I feel a lot better now that I rely less on milk and cheese for my protein

I don't especially like dairy. I don't like the high fat/dairy content of most vegitarian diets. I can (and still do) make wonderful entres out of tofu, seitan, legumes, textured vegetable protein, etc., but I feel a lot better now that I've been getting some fish in my diet.

(warning: gross over-generalization)
I find that most vegitarian diets fall into one of two catagories, dairy-centric or carbo-centric (/gross over-generalization). By adding the fish I've been able to balance my diet in a way that I'm comfortable with. I also find that I'm not over-eating as much as I did while I was vegitarian.

Defensive? Me? Why do you ask? Just what are you trying to say?
 
 
Loomis
07:41 / 10.11.05
hehe. No need to be defensive! I was reading that as saying that you used to rely on milk and cheese but now you rely less on them because you eat milk, cheese and meat.
 
  

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