BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


We ALL Killed Jam Master Jay?

 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:18 / 05.12.02
Yes, apparently.

So...is this poorly written self-righteous grandstanding, or does Shemia Muhammed have a real point? Are music fans really complicit in the violence that is a by-product of the lifestyle of many hip hop artists, which by the same logic would mean that anyone who has purchased a copy of Beggars Banquet supports the Hell's Angels beating the shit out of people and everyone who ever bought a Sex Pistols record has Nancy Spungeon's blood on their hands.

Also, is it perhaps time that Hip Hop as a subculture learns to accept that the illusions that many people have had about it are just as compromised by age and money as rock and punk?
 
 
Jack Fear
22:22 / 05.12.02
Don't look at me, man. I was busy killing the Kennedys.
 
 
illmatic
10:30 / 06.12.02
Just did a quick scan of the article so excuse ill formed thoughts - it seems to me she is writing more direcly to the black american community than the wider audience of Hip Hop fans. As a middle class(ish) white(ish) European I didn't feel it was aimed at me, so I can't comment as directly.

But with an outsiders perspective, I think if anything killed Jam Master Jay, it's the shitty deal black people have got since the year dot in America. Music might reflect this, someone might argue you're complict in it by consuming it, but y'know, there were homicides before gangsta rap. Address Causes, not symptons.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:51 / 06.12.02
Ill: whilst I can't be arsed toi read the article today, I can think of some really obvious arguments why our continued consumption of gangsta imagery (etc.) could be a contributing factor in the perpetuation of a violent Hiphop scene. Afterall, it's not those kids in Compton w/ the bucks, is it?

Just playing Devil's Advocate.
 
 
Margin Walker
01:05 / 07.12.02
Jesus, they didn't even spell Kurtis Blow's name right. How seriously can you take someone like that?
 
 
w1rebaby
03:52 / 07.12.02
No one said anything when Tupac was murdered, when Biggie was murdered.

Yeah, I noticed a big lack of comment about the Thug Life when Tupac was shot.

Who is this guy? And why does he have a column?
 
 
The Apple-Picker
13:20 / 07.12.02
This article has so much wrong with it that even paying attention at all is painful. But I like a little pain.

First, the writing: We all murdered Jam Master Jay that night. Maybe you didn't. What a ride this is going to be. The writer has already contradicted herself in her two opening sentences. "We" is inclusive of you, you know--especially when "we" are "all."

yet I caution you to be apathetic to a circumstance makes you still guilty. Huh? Yes! I, too, like to write statements in direct opposition to the point I'm trying to make--very great, underused rhetorical tool.

My nit-picky side (which is something more than a side) was whirling from having read the inconsistent hyphenation.

Wielding the word “thus” every so often does not mean your argument makes sense, honey. And if her argument did have something to it, it would be awfully hard to see when you’re wading through things like highly charged words (“rape”) and the personification of Hip Hop as a prostitute--after having just been accused of being a murderer.


We defile our vessel (bodies daily), so it shouldn't have been a shock when someone could actually walk up to a Black man and shoot him without regard to his life, his breath, his journey, and his destiny.
It’s obvious that the author has passion for what she’s writing about, but the way she expresses it is so over the top, so much of an attack, that she doesn’t give her readers room to do anything but react rather defensively. Instead of writing something clearly meaningful, she has created a letters-to-the-editor generator.
 
 
illmatic
07:52 / 09.12.02
Runce baby: I do have this weird thing about Hip Hop, in that I do enjoy listening to violent imagery/lyrics sometimes and I guess this makes me feel weirdly guilty. Flyboy makes the point elsewhere that this being the same as consuming gangster flicks. Or reading dodgy books on football hooliganism which I have enjoyed occasionally. This is titillation pure and simple, as all these things are very far away from my life. If they were a bit closer I don't know if I'd be so happy to consume them. I remember reading Monster by Sanyika Shakur, he states somewhere that he can't stand Hip Hop, and that when he was involved in gang-banging in LA, he used to listen to a lot of Blues and Soul.

I don't know what I'm trying to get at here. How does anyone else feel about listening to "dodgy" music/lyrics?
 
  
Add Your Reply