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Precog and a big Hello!

 
 
Potguns
22:11 / 04.12.02
Hello!!!
Iv'e been Lurking around this site for around a month now (specifically the magick section) and feel its appropriate for thanking you all for the marvellous ideas you've shared, however iv'e now got a question to rattle your collective heads.

Iv'e been experiencing precognition now for about a year mainly thru my dreams but with this I also get horrific dreams thrown into the bundle. My problem comes with the inability to tell if a dream is gonna happen or if it's just my head messing with itself. Has anyone got any ideas how to tell the difference or control the ability itself???

Cheers. Pot
 
 
Tamayyurt
22:58 / 04.12.02
A girl that works with me does a similar thing, this dreaming of the future. (I've done it myself once or twice and only in connection to a particular girl.) I don't think there's anyway to control it. And of course, it's very hard to tell if what you're dreaming is the future or just the tuna & egg salad you had last night kicking you in the stomach, at least until your dream comes true that is. Maybe your bullshit detector will get better at filtering out the visions from the nightmares or maybe your ability will eventually sink back into your subconscious. I suggest you keep some sort of dream journal and examine your dreams carefully every morning. Other than that ::shrugs:: welcome to Barbelith
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:36 / 04.12.02
I always think that some people have better natural control over the dream state than others. Unfortunately I find it appallingly difficult to know my own mind on all of this. I've had precognitive dreams for about four years now but very rarely do I remember anything but the faces of people I later meet. Usually people who I only see over the space of a year who then disappear. Sometimes I get deja vous because of the placement of people I know in a room and this is usually related to a dream I've had about an unfamiliar space.

Many people recommend a dream diary but that has never worked for me but I never have nightmares so your experience is bound to be very different from mine. Your focus probably has to come before you go to sleep and again when you wake up.

Just out of interest but also because it has some bearing on the way that you dream - these horrific dreams are they about people you know, things that could actually happen? Do the bad things ever come true or do you precog mundane details (like me)?
 
 
Potguns
00:36 / 05.12.02
"Sometimes I get deja vous because of the placement of people I know in a room and this is usually related to a dream I've had about an unfamiliar space."

This is exactly my problem, when this happens im then always tryin to discern if it's a good, or bad dream. I tend to also get the feeling of deja-vu with thought patterns and emotions linked to the images and feel utterly powerless to change whats happening e.g I cant alter the thought process or my actions in the situation.

An example of when this happened mundanley (if thats a word) to me was when I had a dream of an Angel fish being stuck to the side of my face. I proceeded to tell my housemates who were by then completley used to (and cynical)about by adventures in dreamland. Two months later 6 of my friends and I went to Amsterdam and in the third day of our stoner rampage went to the zoo (mainly to break the monotony of getting smashed). They had one of those walk in aquarium tube thingys and an Angel fish followed me all the way down it. Only then did they believe me and was it evidence for myself that I wasn't insane and making it up in my head.

It isn't the ludicrous demon dreams that bother me, but the ones where my house is being attacked or random conflict on the streets. I also have dreams where people I know are in conlict with me or we're fighting others (not that i'm a violent man it just seems to go that way in my dreams.) In the dreams i'm often too fucked to defend myself.

In general when it does happen I get incredibly paranoid and only one of the bad dreams has ever come to pass and in reality it wasn't that bad apart from the emotion felt by me in the dream that spilled over.

sorry for the lengthy reply I can talk about my damned dreams for hours
Pot.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
01:06 / 05.12.02
Your question, I think, is how to tell false dreams from real ones -- not, for instance, how to control your dreams. That would be lucid dreaming and I can't tell you anything about it that you couldn't find out for yourself in about 20 minutes.

Freud had some organized thoughts on intensely emotional dreams, which can be of value even if you don't like his general theory. I haven't ever to my knowledge had a prophetic dream but I imagine it would be one that can't be explained by present emotional turmoil. Freud's stuff would allow you to knock out -- and analyze -- those ones that are about your emotional turmoil. It can be tricky to do without some objective guidance, and you can't get much more objective than a guy who knows nothing about you.

Alternatively, you could look into remote viewing, which is an extremely scientific approach to "paracognition" (or some construction like that). Um... dammit, I can't find the book. There was a government project under the budget of the Department of Defense which carried out remote viewing operations as an adjunct to intelligence gathering. Big scandal, but they were incredibly effective. They're a private firm in California now, and their go-to guy has written a number of popular books on the subject. I can't remember so much as an acronym, though, so you'll have to do some aggressive googling. Anyway, this would be the reverse recommendation of Freud -- scientifically examine your precognitive powers. Warning: you have to work with a group.
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:15 / 05.12.02
Or you could try hypnosis. If you're remembering future memories while asleep maybe you can remember the future in a hynotic state? Future life regression? (or is regression the wrong word? I need to take myself over to the multidimensional thinking thread!)
 
 
Perfect Tommy
18:06 / 05.12.02
I'd get all scientific if I were you: Take careful notes of all of your potentially precognitive dreams, then re-examine them once they've been "verified."

My thought is, maybe there will be a sensory or emotional component common to the genuine dreams (or the non-genuine dreams). Like, maybe you've never noticed that strong smells occur only in precognitive dreams. Or you can't read in non-precognitive dreams. Or something. Dig?
 
 
Kobol Strom
18:34 / 05.12.02
I often have precognitive 'snapshots',which contain semi-symbolic representations of future events.These can range from the most mundane thing,like the kind of socks I'm going to wear -to something that soon appears in the news.I only control this experience in terms of how long I can keep the snapshot in my mind's eye.A second or two is usually enough.
I don't think this is a dream state as such,but it feels a lot like someone 'else' is showing me things.One step removed.
When I go to sleep and as I'm awakening,I try to maintain an awareness of the imagery that I can see in front of me,and this feels a lot like waking up, -but 'keeping your dream-eyes open'.
However,the unconscious 'self' ,I find is quite a programmable thing.If you start to believe that all your dreams are generated by a big machine inside your head,thats what you will eventually see.The mind is constantly trying to figure out relationships with symbols and it will take whatever you feed it.Be careful not to buy into any one paradigm- you can fool yourself.The trick is to remember that as far as dreams are concerned - 'You are being lied to'.My opinion.
There are lucid states between dreaming and wakefulness which is where I recieve these 'pictures' that I would define as precognitive,but you should practice lucid dreaming if you want to become more self-aware of these processes.
As you say,it is a curse as well as a boon,sometimes you don't want to see the future,but sometimes your mind has other ideas.It should be listened to ,but not slavishly followed.You are only kidding yourself.
There can also be another kind of dream which may contain useful properties and that is the dream that is 'super-clear'.You are yourself,apparently awake,somewhere else-but still just asleep.These are really cool,because you awaken and you're not sure what the hell just happened.These happen occasionally.
Dream diaries,lucid dreaming,remote viewing exercises,are all good suggestions.
Hardcore suggestion -try sleep deprivation or changing the time that you usually go to bed at,to see the effects of waking up at a different time.You might also recquire a quiet place to waken up in.A noisy flat in the morning will simply snap you to wakefulness,so you need isolation,fresh air and peace and quiet.
Oh yeah,try not to watch any strongly themed film or read anything too racy before bed,because all that 'day to day guff' simply gets in the way of achieving that early morning 'calm',which is where your head needs to be.Balance these experiments that you do with normal sleep,or you might find you start to lose control of your 'lucidity' and end up bouncing around the dream world as if you're attatched to a giant invisible rubber band.(my own personal experience!)
 
 
Potguns
18:05 / 06.12.02
Just doing a search on remote viewing shocks me! People using it on corporate management courses to discern what the buisness opposition are doing?!?! Is magick / divination going to be a new big thing in the capitalist doctrine, or is it already? Anyone know of any good books on the subject without a millitary or financial basis??

Thanks a lot for all the advice, a lot of it seems relevant and has put a different perspective on it all and decent definitions on the different types of dreams. At the very least its a catagorisation system for me to look into.

cheers
Pot.
 
 
Suffocate
10:22 / 10.12.02
Several years ago, I had a period of about three months where I had precognitive dreams every second or third night.

The only way I could differentiate between normal dreams and possible future events, was the emotion involved. During precog dreams, the emotions were intensified ten-fold and upon awakening, I'd be left with the disappointing feeling that it was just a dream - even though it felt quite real.

Granted, I've had that feeling since then, with non-precog dreams, and the heightened emotional response and sense of realism don't necessarily mean a dream is a precog vision. But at the time I was having the pre-cog dreams, they were the only ways that I could tell the difference, and be prepared.

Keep us posted.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
12:34 / 10.12.02
Joseph McMoneagle, by the way, is the guy who's written about it.
 
 
Potguns
22:35 / 20.12.02
Someones blatantly workin some rather nice mojo for me out there or sycronicity strikes! After a shit night at the pub along with the fact of me being a very angry man I decided to go home due to a foul mood. On the way back after the comical bus journey a little green book caught my attention in the middle of the road "your dreams and what they mean" by Nerys Dee. After I've read it i'll tell y'all if it's helped.

Ta Lithers
Pot.
(p.s sorry for pulling a dead thread back from the grave)
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:09 / 21.12.02
It's just as well you did pull it back because yesterday I met someone who's a friend of a friend etc. and I've seen him before more then once. At first I thought he looked like someone but the more I spoke to him the more it got me and of course he's from a dream! He's coming out with us tomorrow and I bet you anything I get a snap from about three months ago, I'm just beginning to remember the dream, walking down a street. Damn it's annoying. If it hits me tomorrow I'll flesh this out a bit more.
 
 
solid~liquid onwards
08:18 / 21.12.02
the infos probably not really required anymore... In recent years ive only had one precog dream that i remember, and i woke up without a doubt in my mind that what i dreampt would happen (and it did later that day), no doubt involved.

sounds like you got a bit of a natrual gift for precog/divination, why not try other way other than dreams. Im messing about with the tarrot at the momment. I also read about a meditation techinique, somewhere, whereby you imagine tommorows newspaper and try to see whats on the fron page.

although im Smarter Than The Average Bear my intelect pales in comparason with even the most backwards human
 
 
Potguns
18:04 / 22.12.02
Thx Sttab I am already dabbling with the cards but rather than using my current deck for divination purposes I tend to use it for answering philosophical questions, However I did do two readings for one of my friends the other day and it changed my perspective on a couple of cards completley.

Looking at the book it seems very vague but gives a semi decent overview into most pools of thought on dreams, a litterary diving board from which i'm gonna have to buy other books from. Grrr if only all the useful books would turn up on the street

Pot.
 
  
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