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Unhappy life & cure?

 
 
dj kali_ma
13:50 / 04.12.02
I was pretty goddamned proud of myself when I realised, after ten years or so, that depression wasn't necessarily insurmountable the way that countless friends and doctors and articles had told me, but that it was a frame of mind. Subsequently, I came to the conclusion that the best cure for that general malaise is to realise that nobody's going to haul your miserable ass out of the swamp if it doesn't immediately benefit them.

Another thing that made me happy was realising that all these bastards that loved to wag their finger at me and berate me for the choices I'd made over time... they were just as miserable as anyone, in their own ways.

That's when I decided that a life of travel, new experiences, writing them down, and befriending lots of people all over the world was the life for me.

But there's getting over the inertia and weights of living in a country where, even if you are lucky enough to get educated formally, it doesn't mean anything. A country where they'd rather you waste your potential to be a rockstar/goddess/philosopher/jetsetter/minor boddhisatva/that fun bastard/etc. being a greeter at fucking WalMart because "It's the responsible thing to do."

If I choose the life I want to lead, it means standing and looking unblinkingly at the potential to be lonely or unrooted for a very long time.

I need to get the fuck away from this black hole of a Midwestern American town. I was born on the east coast for fuck's sake... and I've been astounded ever since at the general provinciality of this place, and my relative inability to get past the event horizon that surrounds this goddamned state. I've been as far as London, Los Angeles, Denver, Tampa, New York, Edinburgh, Newcastle... and I keep getting fucking snapped back like a rubber band.

I need some advice, guys. Incantations? Practical meat world manouevres that would cut me loose from unwanted "obligations" and prepare me so I don't end up begging on the streets of Calcutta? Better towns in which to establish home base?

I'll quit whinging, now. I just wanted to know if any of you managed to escape the black hole.

::aphonia::
 
 
Lurid Archive
14:05 / 04.12.02
I think it is admirable that you have managed to pull yourself out of depression. But I think you should realise - I'm sure you do - that not everyone is able to do so, for whatever reason. Having said that, finding meaning for yourself is empowering. Its just that life has its ups and downs, so overconfidence in a "solution" can leave you unprepared for the trickier times.

Also, you shouldn't undervalue your education, formal or not. I suppose I am a big fan of education in the broadest sense and tend to think it can help you achieve that potential. Providing you avoid becoming trapped by the conformity it can be packaged in, perhaps.

As for advice on travelling, I'd say that going to a big city and being prepared to do crappy jobs for a while should be enough to let you survive. Having friends at the destination helps. But there are people here who have travellled much more than me and who can give you lots better advice.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
21:29 / 04.12.02
I think it is admirable that you have managed to pull yourself out of depression. But I think you should realise - I'm sure you do - that not everyone is able to do so, for whatever reason.

A-fucking-men.

I don't really know what to say, but often, the recognition of what's going to get you out of the depression and the ability to actually fuckign do it are two very separate things. And despite the best efforts, sometimes can't be joined up alone.
 
 
Linus Dunce
22:39 / 04.12.02
I suspect you are suffering from "reverse culture shock." This, I know from personal experience, can take a time to go away. What you're missing is the thrill of discovery. You've probably also grown apart from some people. While you're suffering, your home town/country will seem ten times more dull than you remember. And the sad truth is, it may actually have always been that dull in real life, you just never knew it.

Ending 1:

But ... you don't have to work at WalMart. My humble advice would be to explore your current world in greater depth. Your horizons have been broadened and inevitably so must your vision been extended. Use it. Look beyond first impressions. And don't worry about your education -- the benefits rarely kick in before the decade's up. But they probably will.

Ending 2:

(Haven't actually succeeded with this one.) Travel, but do it properly, and over your ass so you don't end up alone/destitute/illegal. There's voluntary work overseas. Some paid jobs involve travel too, even if you have to work a couple of years at home first. Even WalMart owns supermarkets in the UK, though I think it may be foolish to get a job as a clerk there in the hope of doing this. :-)

Hope this helps.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:55 / 04.12.02
But ... you don't have to work at WalMart.

Yeah, but never underestimate the boundless generosity of those who lack ambition and imagination. They just can't wait to spread it around.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:09 / 04.12.02
What pulls you back to that midwestern town?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
03:40 / 05.12.02
More than likely, it's money, or lack thereof.

And if that's the case, I understand how hard that is. Right now.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
04:30 / 05.12.02
And here I am, born and bred to the Big City, pining for a simpler (cheaper) life in the burbs. The cosmopolitan life -- especially the scenier parts -- is full of deadbeats, liars, cads, mountebanks, doglickers, gladhanders, and other uninspiring types. By all means come here (raise our rent) but don't expect it to fulfill you. Don't even expect to like it. It's easy nowhere -- but easy is overrated, as my algebra teacher keeps telling me. If it wasn't hard to get, it wasn't an achievement. Everything will be different but you. You'll be the same. Where you are is the easy part. You are the hard part.

I think you're wrong about people. They want to help, they want you to be happy, they just don't know how to have the impact they'd like. They don't understand why you can't thrive in a lifestyle that's so easy to thrive in. My mother had a boyfriend when I was young who would tell me, when I cried, "Cheer up, kid, you could've been born in Vietnam." It scares them when you despise what they value. For whatever reason -- I can think of several -- they don't really grok that you mean something different by "thrive" than they do.

I look back on my own darker periods and I'm astonished at how gauzy-thin they were. Yet the gauze is always right near my hand -- I can put it over my face any time. I remember how happiness seemed like a gauze then, a gauze in front of the lens that blurs out any unsightly blemishes. I'm neither happy nor unhappy right now, too busy trying to keep afloat in unfamiliar circumstances. These are transitory states. Not meaningless, but empty and NOT YOU. The rockstar, &c. is not you. Fuck it, work at WalMart. Rock the WalMart. Make it yours.

I'll close with some selected lyrics that I think are applicable, from Starving in the Belly of a Whale, off of Tom Waits's most recent, Blood Money:

Don't go dreaming
Don't go scheming
A man must test his mettle
In the crooked ol' world

Oh, you're starving in the belly
Starving in the belly
Starving in the belly of a whale

...

As the crow flies
It's there the truth lies
At the bottom of the well

...

Don't trust a bull's horn,
A doberman's tooth,
A runaway horse or me
Don't be greedy, don't be needy
If you live in hope you're
Dancing to a terrible tune.


I've chosen to take this as an invitation and as fair warning, but not as discouragement. Come dance. The tune is terrible, but it's not bad, y'know? More like fearsome. Hard. Like you.
 
 
dj kali_ma
13:50 / 05.12.02
(Qalyn... Warning: This is going to come off a lot bitchier than I intend. Please have patience. Take with a grain of salt. Take with the whole box of salt, if it helps.)

And here I am, born and bred to the Big City, pining for a simpler (cheaper) life in the burbs. The cosmopolitan life -- especially the scenier parts -- is full of deadbeats, liars, cads, mountebanks, doglickers, gladhanders, and other uninspiring types. By all means come here (raise our rent) but don't expect it to fulfill you. Don't even expect to like it. It's easy nowhere -- but easy is overrated, as my algebra teacher keeps telling me. If it wasn't hard to get, it wasn't an achievement. Everything will be different but you. You'll be the same. Where you are is the easy part. You are the hard part.

Sure the air is nice and cleaner out here, but there's no fucking sidewalks. Everybody looks at me strangely for not having a car... and actually deigning to walk, and nearly getting sideswiped by gigantic SUVs.

I grew up in D.C., and various cities up and down the east coast. I'm no stranger to living in a city, I'm just stuck here, now.

And, uh, I like who I am. Just because I don't like where I've ended up and somewhat despair over the stupidity of it all doesn't mean that I have some gigantic hole in my soul that I expect to have filled by living in a city.

I'm sure your point must be that if I can be fulfilled in a city, why can't I be fulfilled in a suburb? No matter where you go, there you are. I'm sure political prisoners probably inspire people just as much from their cages, but don't you think they'd feel better being outside them, and able to do their life's work? No, I'm not being histrionic, and yes, this place is a sleepy, uninspiring shrinkwrapped town. Whatever fun I have here, I bring myself.

I think you're wrong about people. They want to help, they want you to be happy, they just don't know how to have the impact they'd like. They don't understand why you can't thrive in a lifestyle that's so easy to thrive in. My mother had a boyfriend when I was young who would tell me, when I cried, "Cheer up, kid, you could've been born in Vietnam." It scares them when you despise what they value. For whatever reason -- I can think of several -- they don't really grok that you mean something different by "thrive" than they do.

I'm not wrong about people. I'm one of them, and I think I have some insight. I don't think my happiness is at all integral to theirs. There's the whole schadenfreude thing that goes on amongst the people I know, and back when I arrived in the urban part of this state, pink of cheek, I thought the derision and taking joy in other's pain was something that "cool people" did, and I realised with some discomfort that I could never be kool like dat.

No, I don't think people give a flying fuck over whether or not I "thrive", so much as I steam their latte they way they want, show up on time for my shift, take out the garbage, don't talk to them about any of that "weird shit" I read, don't walk where their SUV is trying to drive, and listen to them tell me just how much better I'd feel if I were to march to the same rhythm, and any pain or discomfort or loneliness I'm experiencing is because I'm not doing it their way.

I know this has the potential to sound adolescent, but I didn't go through this when I was a teenager, and I've never been as stuck as a kid as I am right now, at thirty, feeling the potential of What Might Yet Be poking me from under the skin.

I look back on my own darker periods and I'm astonished at how gauzy-thin they were. Yet the gauze is always right near my hand -- I can put it over my face any time. I remember how happiness seemed like a gauze then, a gauze in front of the lens that blurs out any unsightly blemishes. I'm neither happy nor unhappy right now, too busy trying to keep afloat in unfamiliar circumstances. These are transitory states. Not meaningless, but empty and NOT YOU. The rockstar, &c. is not you. Fuck it, work at WalMart. Rock the WalMart. Make it yours.

That's probably the part of your response that I like the best: Rock the WalMart. (An aside: I don't actually work at a WalMart. The original statement was something along the lines of "This is the kind of future that can be expected of someone like you, someone with your background, someone of your race, someone of your caste and financial status.") When someone throws their money at me and barks an order, I often think WW_D, and fill in the blanks with more modern people:

What Would Frida Kahlo Do? (If forced to work in a WalMart, people would only see her as a semi-crippled Latina that needed to "learn to speak Amurrikin better".)

What Would Abbie Hoffman Do?
What Would Grant Morrison Do?

What Would ::aphonia:: do? Whatever was necessary to keep these people from killing her spirit.

I'll close with some selected lyrics that I think are applicable, from Starving in the Belly of a Whale, off of Tom Waits's most recent, Blood Money:

(deleted to conserve bandwidth)

I've chosen to take this as an invitation and as fair warning, but not as discouragement. Come dance. The tune is terrible, but it's not bad, y'know? More like fearsome. Hard. Like you.


Good Ol' Tom. I liked "Grapefruit Moon".

Pax,
::aphonia::
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
14:34 / 05.12.02
Reading it now, I'm embarrassed at how condescending that all came off. Two excuses come to mind: that it was late and my censors had gone to bed; and that I may've caught the bitchy virus that's been vectoring around Barbelith for the past week or so (probably Haus's fault). But it was a bit of the blind attempting to lead the blind, so just look at it as one of many possible responses to your complaint.

What Would ::aphonia:: do? Whatever was necessary to keep these people from killing her spirit.

Excellent. I didn't mean to discourage you from doing whatever neccessary, just to suggest that other people are not your problem, you are. You put yourself where you are, one way or another, and your situation is a puzzle only you can solve. You're in danger of running off somewhere, finding it as full of assholes as where you've been, and dying of despair. You've got SUVs, but I've got people who stand next to the subway doors and lean on the poles. Don't get me started on the subways.

This next is tangental. My stepmother, one of those saccharine greeting-card Buddhists, once gave me a book of zen stories and commentary by some monk. I don't have it any more. The monk was Japanese but lived in LA. The stories were charming little parables, starring zen monks, about non-attachment, being one with circumstance, and all that other business, and I couldn't help thinking, "that's great for these zen monks, but what's it got to do with me? Let's see how nonattached these monks are when they have to hold down a job at Starbucks to pay the rent, so they have someplace to sleep, and buy subway tokens, so they can get to Starbucks. What is the zen response to being late for work?" It occured to me finally that the monks are only special insofar as they remove themselves from these unzen situations. For people who have to work for a living, zazen -- zen practice -- is completely different, but the zen is the same. Be what you are, where you are, when you are.

And now I'm off to Political Science for Business Majors (of which I am not one, but still must take the class).
 
 
dj kali_ma
15:49 / 05.12.02
Zazen. Good point. A lot more empowering than the whole "I'm stuck here and people are assholes" thing that I sometimes get stuck in.

You're inspiring. Thank you. And have fun at your class.

::a::
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:52 / 05.12.02
While agreeing with you in principle, I've found the only way out that works for me is "medication, medication, medication".

But having supportive friends helps no end.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
19:32 / 05.12.02
aphonia, before I begin, let me say that I probably can't empathize with you, because I've never really had a depressive bout that I couldn't trace back to something going horribly wrong in another area of my life. So I can't pretend I know you feel or I've been there, because I probably haven't, and I don't want to pretend.

That said, I've had a LOT of friends go through what you're going through, and I have certainly been stuck in a rut and unsure of what to do with myself.

Now then. I was really surprised when I read your response to MSQ's post. I didn't think she was being condescending at all (though she said it, you didn't.). I think she really wanted to help. But you, on the other hand, seem to have your mind made up about the folks who work at the Wal-Mart, drive SUVs and live in small midwestern places. I'm not saying I don't see your point, I'm just saying, while you can make a guess, or even a judgement, you don't really know if the aforementioned people are any better or any worse than you. I know you didn't come out and say that, but you certainly implied that. And can you really say that all people who a) drive SUVs b)work at Wal-Mart or c)live in BFE Midwest are worthless, soulless individuals with nothing of value to contribute to humanity?

Which kind of brings me to my second point. In this way, I do know how you feel. I'm from the midwest, and I've certainly logged many boring, depressing hours in little towns that time seems to have forgotten. Yeah, that can definitely get you down. It can definitely be soul-crushing.

I remember one day I was crying, just at the end of my rope, on the phone to my best friend and her husband. ~Friend's hubby said to me, "You know, there's happiness AND sadness here (in midwest nowheresville), just as there is happiness and sadness in London, NYC, or any cool place you wanna go.)" I live in London now. And let me tell you, I've had moments of misery here that have been just as bad if not worse as any I've had Back Home.

Look, definitely try and get the hell out of a bad situation and move as soon as you can if it will make you feel better. But remember that to some extent you are responsible for your happiness; your joy. And I can't believe you have nobody around you can talk to. But if you don't, hey, feel free to PM me, I'll respond.

The other thing is I think there's joy in the mundane, if only you look. There is joy in every single day if only you look for it. I strongly believe that. There's even joy in working at Wal-Mart, believe it or not. (Bet you're sorry you used that analogy! It's just such a good one!)

Anyway, be sad, cry, call a friend, get a hug, and yes, do what's best for you. Maybe you don't know what that is right now. But don't despair and really, believe it or not, you're NOT alone!
 
 
woodswalker
20:29 / 05.12.02
Aphonia, Lots of good thoughts here. I was brought up in a crossraods. I was the only person my age in the town. I wandered the States and Canada, and even forayed into Mexico. And here I am within 10 miles of where I was born. I live on a farm in the boonies. When I walk on a winter night the neighbors think I'm loony. (shrug) I truly enjoy the flora and fauna here. There is a small city 20 minutes away with a huge variety of activities, cultural events, and etc. The wild lands are only a couple hours away. I consider myself lucky to be here now, yet I couldn't wait to get away when I was younger. (I do detest the retraints winter places on my life though). I went through a major depression also and, like you, yanked myself out. I avoided the career path trap for most of my life which left me working at crap jobs and feeling guilty for taking their money. I decided to do some real soul searching and find direction. The question I had to answer was what do I feel passionate about? The responses to that have brought me to a place where I am generally at peace with myself. I don't really want more than that.
 
 
Rage
23:36 / 10.12.02
There's always moving to Portland. Cheap rent, plethoras of bookstores, and enough of an underground kultur/massive malibia mix to feel special (unlike San Francsico) without feeling jaded. (like Seattle) Oh ya, and you'd be able to hang out with me. I've been traveling for quite a while, but I'm all establishing-a-homebase-trip now. I can always go to another city or country when I feel the urge to. I'm sure you know you're there wherever Hugo, so if you feel depressed you might as well wipe away your entire construction of self/emotions and paint a new little number. Or even a big one. It's all in your head, twas said. But then again what do I know? I recently found out that I was putting a shield up to block myself from feeling real emotions, probably because I sound like a 12 year old when I attempt to discuss them. I'm better at coming up with bizarre puns for self ironizing philosophical subcultures than feeling shit. I can tell myself that emotions are second circuit primordialoids that are ready to be reprogrammed at any time, but I'm still faced with that whole emptiness thing. Dude! I guess it's cause I used to be severely depressed. I'm afraid of going back there, I think.
 
 
kaonashi
01:00 / 11.12.02
I hear you. I was born and raised in the "black hole" of midwestern suburbia, and have since moved to a slightly bigger city.
And I'm miserable.
The City is not what I needed, but its increasingly clear that while my home town might be a good place to grow old and die in but living there is not an option. So my current plan is finish school, get something approriately creative together and get the hell to one of the coasts.
And this is in full knowledge that people couldn't give a shit about me or the things I love. And that I'm trading the small tame evil that I know, for a big hungry mass of evil that I don't. But I can definitely empathize with the desire to get the fuck out of Dodge.

Sorry that I couldn't help though.
 
 
No star here laces
12:48 / 11.12.02
How about forgetting about goals and concentrating on process.

i.e. fuck all that 'potential' malarkey. Don't worry about what you could acheive. Worry instead about what your life is doing for you right now.
 
 
grant
15:16 / 11.12.02
aphonia: Whatever fun I have here, I bring myself.

That's true wherever you live, and that's your cure right there.

And if the SUVs start getting you down, start hunting them.
 
 
dj kali_ma
18:06 / 11.12.02
How about forgetting about goals and concentrating on process.

Good one. Reminds me of reading about this one Japanese guy who was a really good archer, and it's not so much about hitting the center of the target so much as feeling your body, becoming one with everything around you, paying as much attention to how your fingers are as the goal you're ostensibly trying to achieve.

I'll keep that in mind.

grant: I wish I could hunt SUVs in a similar fasion to YTs use of them in Snow Crash, but, alas, I dunna skate.

Heh.

::a::
 
  
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