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Human clone will be born in January

 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:08 / 27.11.02
Story here.

IN THE PAST, Antinori has made similar claims of pregnancies in his hush-hush human cloning program. Tuesday’s claim, however, was the first to hint that a cloned fetus appeared to be viable and was nearing birth.

“It’s the 33rd week,” said Antinori, who runs a fertility clinic in Rome. “I expect the birth for the first week of January.”

Antinori said he could not give any more details about the procedure other than to say the embryo was “in a good condition.”

Some researchers worried that Antinori’s claims would stir new controversy in the wider debate over cloning research.

“I don’t know any reputable scientific organization that supports attempting to create a child using any of the cloning techniques,” said Sean Tipton, vice president for communications for the Washington-based Coalition for the Advancement of Medical Research. “There’s no question that announcements like Dr. Antinori’s can make it more difficult for us to protect the very important, legitimate scientific work that needs to occur with embryonic stem cells.”

Tipton said the effort spearheaded by Antinori “just lends fuel to the fire of those who would like to outlaw these techniques because they could possibly be used in an attempt to create a child.”


So... opinions. The area of human cloning is a minefield of ethical concerns. There's also the distinct possibility that Antinori is, well, full of shit.
 
 
Lurid Archive
12:37 / 27.11.02
My understanding, though admittedly limited, is that cloning a human embryo is possible and that Antinori is able to do it. There are difficulties with the proceedure and his optimism may have led him to make some premature announcements.

However, I haven't heard anyone say that they believe he cannot succeed but rather that there are problems if he does. As well as all the ethical problems there is also some evidence that the cloning causes genetic damage.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:16 / 27.11.02
As well as all the ethical problems there is also some evidence that the cloning causes genetic damage.

That's putting it mildly. The vast majority of cloned embryos created using current technology spontaneously abort. Those that are carried to term generally die within days. This is due to genetic glitches introduced by the cloning process.

However you feel about the idea of cloning a human being in principle, Antinori's work is indefensible. There is currently no way to screen out all the genetic abnormalities likely to be present in a cloned embryo. If this pregnancy actually exists (and there's no evidence that it does), the infant's chances of survival are slim to none.

A thread on another of Antinori's claims can be found here: Woman "eight weeks pregnant with clone"
 
 
tom-karika nukes it from orbit
17:56 / 28.11.02
The problem with the current cloning is that on a cellular level, it is a very violent and crude process.

I understand that no scientists have ever managed to make a primate embryo carry to term, let alone acheive a live birth. It is not unusual for clones, especially in primates, to appear normal throughout pregnancy but then be born dead three or four weeks early.
 
 
Enamon
03:45 / 03.12.02
I'm a human clone. No. Really.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
13:30 / 03.12.02
A human clone of what?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:49 / 03.12.02
Raelian clone expected this month

According to information from France Presse, one of the women who is taking part in the human cloning project is to give birth to a clone at the end of the current year. The members of the mysterious organization Raelians already know that it will be a girl. The managing director of the Clonaid company, Brigitte Boissellier, said that they have five woman who have been implanted with cloned embryos. She refused to release concrete date on the birth of the world’s first human birth. However, she said that it will be a New Year’s gift for the whole of humanity.

(above link from the Fortean Times site)
 
 
Enamon
16:46 / 04.12.02
No, really, I'm a human clone. A natural one though. Let's just say that someone else on this board shares my DNA sequences but has a different set of fingerprints. Oh, and he looks a bit different from me.
 
 
Bear
11:12 / 27.12.02
The Raelians have announced that their clone has been born -

A company associated with a group that believes extraterrestrials created mankind was set to announce Friday that it had produced the first clone of a human being.

More Here

Yikes
 
 
Ganesh
11:25 / 27.12.02
Please tell me they're not calling her Eve...
 
 
grant
13:18 / 27.12.02
Afraid I can't do that, G.

Scientist tied to UFO-based religious group claims to have cloned a human| |By MALCOLM RITTER| |AP Science Writer|

HOLLYWOOD, Fla. (AP) - A chemist connected to a group that believes life on Earth was created by extraterrestrials claimed Friday to have produced the world's first human clone, a baby girl named Eve.

The 7-pound baby was born Thursday, said Brigitte Boisselier, head of Clonaid, the company that claimed success in the project. She wouldn't say where the baby was born.

Even before the announcement, other scientists expressed doubt that her group could clone a human.

Boisselier, who spoke at a news conference, said the baby is a clone of the 30-year-old American woman who donated the DNA for the cloning process, had the resulting embryo implanted and then gestated the baby. If confirmed, that would make the child an exact genetic duplicate of her mother.

"It is very important to remember that we are talking about a baby," she said. "The baby is very healthy. She is fine, she doing fine. The parents are happy. I hope that you remember them when you talk about this baby, not like a monster, like some results of something that is disugusting."

Boisselier did not immediately present DNA evidence showing a genetic match between mother and daughter, however. That omission leaves her claim scientifically unsupported.

The group expects four more babies to be born in the next few weeks, another from North America, one from Europe and two from Asia.

She said the baby will go home in three days, and an independent expert will take DNA samples from the baby to prove she had been cloned. Those test results are expected within a week after the testing.


...and...


Boisselier, who claims two chemistry degrees and previously was marketing director for a chemical company in France, identifies herself as a Raelian "bishop" and said Clonaid retains philosophical but not economic links to the Raelians. She is not a specialist in reproductive medicine.


...and...

In Rome, fertility doctor Severino Antinori, who said weeks ago he had engineered a cloned baby boy who would be born in January, dismissed Clonaid's claims and said the group has no scientific credibility.

The news "makes me laugh and at the same time disconcerts me, because it creates confusion between those who make serious scientific research" and those who don't, Antinori said.

"We keep up our scientific work, without making announcements," he added. "I don't take part in this ... race."

So far scientists have succeeded in cloning sheep, mice, cows, pigs, goats and cats. Last year, scientists in Massachusetts produced cloned human embryos with the intention of using them as a source of stem cells, but the cloned embryos never grew bigger than six cells.

Many scientists oppose cloning to produce humans, saying it's too risky because of abnormalities seen in cloned animals.




I'd also like to draw attention to the fact that, like most other weird things you hear about, this story is datelined in South Florida.
 
 
Aethelwine Jedi
17:29 / 27.12.02
It could be worse. They could have called her Rei.
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
18:34 / 27.12.02
A human clone will be born in January... So?
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
20:57 / 27.12.02
Fantasmic!

December 26, 2001, the first human clone was born.

They were really trying for the 25th obviously. Pesky Raelians.

Now what? Other than the confused public...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
00:19 / 28.12.02
Now what? Now the child has a brief and miserable life because of the genetic fuck-uppage inherent in current cloning technologies, or (more likely) these nutsacks are making the whole thing up. In a week or so the independant examination will reveal that the baby is just an ordinary child concieved in the ordinary way and the Raelians will denounce the independant examination as part of a conspiracy to suppress their noble work.
 
 
Papess
01:14 / 28.12.02
Okay, there hasn't been any scientific evidence given of a birth of this little girl, nevermind an actual cloning of human life.

Isn't this all inline with Raelian theories about being a race of clones from alien beings?

Things that make you go hmmm...

BTW: Eve is just an alias for protective purposes. Not the child's actual name. I could imagine why the parents do not want anyone to know her or her name.
 
 
Ganesh
01:15 / 28.12.02
Noooooo!

'Eve'. Poor kid.

I've no idea whether there's any substance to these claims, or how exactly genetic/biological difficulties might manifest in a human clone - but I do know a rash of Adams and Eves (and Seths?) can't be a Good Thing...
 
 
Persephone
01:31 / 28.12.02
But did you know that Dolly is called Dolly because she was cloned from a mammary cell? Poor Dolly!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:50 / 28.12.02
And of course, Rael says the aliens will return in 2025- the year in which "Eve" has her 23rd birthday...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:33 / 28.12.02
Yeah? Well, not if we immanentize the esch-- the ehshc-- the world ends in 2012 in accordance with the Mayan Calendar, they won't!

I really, really can't take anything the Raelians say seriously:

 
 
dj kali_ma
14:41 / 28.12.02
I'd much rather kooky mofos like the Raelians come up with clones than, say, the Bush administration or any of his pharma-cronies. Seriously.

Given the opportunity and the right amount of money, I could be convinced to give birth to my own clone, if only to say that I've indulged in a lo-tech parthenogenesis, and because... well... I'd like to see what someone with my genetic makeup, but better nutrition/health/education/childhood-frame-of-reference/etc. would do.

::a::
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:37 / 28.12.02
Yes, Raelian insanity is of a much nicer variety.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:24 / 28.12.02
...at least since they removed the swastika from their logo...
 
 
gingerbop
23:05 / 28.12.02
How vain would u have to be to have urself cloned?
 
 
sleazenation
01:02 / 29.12.02
One of my work collegues married a scolar of old english and ended up with sons callth seth and beowulf...
 
 
Utopia
01:08 / 29.12.02
So, are we cloning ourselves in anticipation of the arrival? I mean, will our cloned selves be welcomed as brothers of our space-daddies while our sex-concieved selves be left here to rot, or wear Nikes and drink poison Kool-Aid? Because if that's the case I don't know if I could hold out another 23 years for a mass-suicide. I'm gettin' kinda antsy here...I'm with the whole clone/space/Kool-Aid thing, it's just, I don't know...How fast can you clone me? I'd like to hurry this up as much as possible. We don't have to clone eveybody for the journey you know. Heaven knows our fathers don't have that much room on the ship. Ships. I mean ships. Pity the impure. So when can we do this. Guys? Are you listening?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:03 / 29.12.02
How vain would u have to be to have urself cloned?

That's the question I keep asking. Goodness knows that there are other ways of getting round infertility (IVF, for example) that are tried and tested and don't have the hellacious problems associated with current cloning technology.

Assuming that human cloning is perfected (as I'm sure it will be) it's not even as if you'd end up with a replica of yourself anyway. Sure, the new person would have your DNA, but they wouldn't have your memories, upbringing, or experiences.
 
 
cusm
06:54 / 30.12.02
At least the Railians are a sex cult. So, they have that much going for them. Free love, aliens, and clones. Guess what most of their followers are there for.
 
 
Rain
11:12 / 30.12.02
As a sex cult, surely there would be a much cheaper way of making babies..?

Just a thought.
 
 
grant
16:45 / 30.12.02
One of my work collegues married a scolar of old english and ended up with sons callth seth and beowulf...

Total derailment, but... I've got a friend named Beowulf too. His dad was a professor (but not of Old English). His brother's name is Gilgamesh.

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Just to say something on topic (and this is something I've worried about with Clonaid in the past) - what do y'all think this announcement will have on the future of cloning technology?
If they're making it up - the Raelians and Antinori alike - what about the next group who really are working on a human clone?
Will the kooks dry up funding for the people who actually are getting the kinks out of the cloning system?
What do they really have to gain?
 
  
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