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drzener
11:27 / 25.11.02
Christmas is coming and I'm getting depressed. ANyone got any tips on beating the winter blues? Preferably not involving drink or drugs also. I'm sick of being a mooy fucker when everyone around me is happy. Most years this lasts until well into february and that just seems too far away at this stage.
 
 
Linus Dunce
11:56 / 25.11.02
You may not be suffering from any disorder. Are there things you need to get done in your life? It's quite normal to feel blue during this period if there are. If you're looking for a new job, partner, or whatever, Christmas can seem like an awful waste of time. And no one seems to notice how you're feeling during all the enforced jollity. This can make you feel very alienated. And this is the reason Uncle Dave falls asleep in front of the Bond film after drinking too much sherry. So you can tell you're not alone.

Do your Christmas shopping etc. early, remember you don't have to accept every invitation, and then concentrate on things you enjoy/need.

Inviting yourself to stay with good friends who live far away works wonders, too.
 
 
The Apple-Picker
12:07 / 25.11.02
Exercise. Really. I know it's an old trick, but it's a trick that really works.
 
 
drzener
12:22 / 25.11.02
Just to clarify I don't actually think I have a disorder. Its just that all my life I've gotten pretty depressed in January but for the last four years its started before christmas instead of after. I don't know why this is, it just is.
I'm busy doing a course I like at the minute but I could be writing more music and I can't really concentrate properly on it. I'm having trouble sleeping due to thinking about shit too much and I'm waking up in really bad form. When I'm busy I'm alright.
Unfortunately I tore some ligaments in my leg and I'm on crutches so I can't exercise. Its also too dark to cycle safely so that has sort of fallen by the wayside the last few weeks.
Ignatius J - thanks. its sort of helps to know that this is a natural feeling. Stops me feeling a bit like Scrooge.
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
13:12 / 25.11.02
I get the same thing every year, although mine peaks in early february. last year I bought one of those full-spectrum lightbulbs and I could feel the difference, even though it was small. exercise also really helps. I'll keep an eye out for what other people do here in helsinki, because it's a big deal (nowadays the sun is getting up around 9 and setting by 3:30). perhaps eating foods richer in vitamin D could make a difference?
 
 
w1rebaby
13:35 / 25.11.02
Sleep. I, too, can't get to sleep early enough and I get about six hours a night - enough to keep the body working but it really starts to take a mental toll (okay, some people need less sleep but I need my eight hours, that's how I'm built). As well as that, the actual quality of your sleep could be worse.

I think the only way to get proper sleep is to do a whole bunch of little things as opposed to there being one great solution. Strict no-caffeine policy past 6pm or so. Check curtains etc to make sure no light is getting through while you're sleeping, can be bad (not so much of a problem this time of year). Don't eat late at night. If it's really bad, some herbal sleep tabs can help get you back into a proper rhythm. Etc etc.

The problem is, you probably know all this (and other things to make you feel better) and would do them but you don't feel like doing them because you're down. It's self-perpetuating. I don't know what the solution to that is, apart from getting someone you trust and won't get too annoyed with to kick you into doing them once in a while.
 
 
000
14:35 / 25.11.02
drzener, whenever sun exposure lessens, the brain begins to lack in serotonine, and if the weather in Ireland has been the same as here in Denmark (a month w/o sun now and counting) then it is very understandable that the lack of serotonine should manifest itself as S.A.D. This is your body's way of telling you that you should build up you serotonine level.

Viz: In Short :

When you consume too little fat, cholesterol or sugars, your body ‘punishes’ you with depressions and / or sleeplessness, through receptors in the brain, to force you to consume more of these essential nutrients.

Elevated blood-protein levels impair neurotransmitter metabolism regulating sleep and feelings of happiness. Beta-carbolines from prepared food (proteinacous prepared food in particular), opioid peptides from wheat- and dairy products and cadmium from vegetables and grains do exactly the same.

To be happy and sleep well : Consume as little (especially at night) prepared food, vegetables, grains, milk and wheat-products. (You don't need these at all ; see site3 , 4 and 2/plants) Wake up when the sun rises, and eat as much fruits as you want and sufficient fresh raw egg yolk (mixed with avocado) or fresh raw salmon. (raw animal food requires an hour rest to digest by the way!)

Great 'happy fruits' are : dried date, -fig, papaya, banana, strawberries, sweet cherries, orange, mango, pineapple, grapefruit and hazelnuts. (for optimizing serotonine production)


I hope this helps a little.
 
 
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14:47 / 25.11.02
In my experience, the best thing to do to combat SAD (although this is really obvious, I know) is to get outside more. Even if it looks like it's grey and dark outside, there's always going to be more sunlight out there than inside... A hour taken having a nice walk round the park can make all the difference.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
20:35 / 25.11.02
I can't verify it myself, but I've heard that you can increase your serotonin levels a little by eating pumpkin seeds. That may help.

I second the lightbulb thang. I got an artists' daylight bulb (it's kinda blue) from the Rymans on Goodge St, and it helped, a little.
 
 
telyn
21:05 / 25.11.02
I do get SAD every year, and untreated it feels like half my year gets 'eaten up'. However this year, I am still alive and awake at a time where I would normally be completely introverted and shut down.

Two things that really helped:

cod liver oil tablets + B complex (I don't understand why either)

a light box my dad made out of an old scanner (he scoured the screen so it difuses light) and three daylight saving bulbs. This light has to be on for 1+ hr a day to be effective, but it does actually work (to my relief).

Other things that help lift me out of a depression are finding the people I really want to see or speak too. If you can make sure you have something to look forward to every few days (eg a walk in the park, or cooking a meal for a friend, or to go see a film) that will help you too.

best of luck!
 
 
Mazarine
21:12 / 25.11.02
I too get the SADs every winter, and since the light boxes they make for treating it are kinda expensive (though totally worth it, I hear) I just got a couple of tin-shaded clip on garage lights from Home Depot and popped in plant light bulbs. I'm told that you have to use the light in the morning for it to really work, so I keep one at work and one at home. So far, so good.

I'd never heard the scanner thing before, but that makes so much sense. Maybe I'll gut my worthless piece of crud...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:45 / 25.11.02
God, if it's a sunlight thing then maybe I could sort MY head out by not working nights.

No, hang on a minute- that'd mean working during the day, wouldn't it?

I do think, seriously, that sleep is key. One of the major symptoms of depression is a desire to sleep more often. Partly that's just not wanting to get out of bed and face reality, but I think physiological stuff must come into play at some point.
 
 
drzener
10:05 / 26.11.02
Thanks a lot folks. I reckon I'm going to go on a serious fruit diet now and when the legs better I'll be able to exercise again. Once again, I have to say I appreciate hearing that others get this too. Its a real whore when you dont feel like youself.
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
11:04 / 26.11.02
Only one bit of advice - don't go overboard on the dried fruit rampage! They're great for serotonin because they are full of simple sugars. Ever wonder why raver kids suck on lollipops? It's not just because their jaws are jonesin' - simple carbohydrates suppress the processing of every amino acid *except* tryptophan, which is made into serotonin. So yes, chocolate and sugar really do make you feel better. But you don't need an awful lot! Eat a bag of dried apricots and you'll understand where I'm coming from.

But do eat lots of fresh fruit - it will do loads of wonders for you.
 
 
woodswalker
11:13 / 26.11.02
Between August and October I notice my energy level drop like a brick. I used to get depressed and have trouble sleeping all winter long. My solutions are to go to a tanning salon occasionally, meditate daily, keep busy with chores, and take classes to keep my mind engaged. During the meditation I always see myself in a bright, sunny place. Not depressed anymore but I still do not like winter. Here in Upstate NY it lasts forever.
 
 
Dances with Gophers
11:31 / 26.11.02
I have to agree with the daylight bulbs, they do help. Also St John's wort helps. It is available in tea bags or in tablets, teas bags are cheaper but it tastes revolting.
 
 
The Strobe
12:10 / 26.11.02
Where does one obtain aforementioned daylight bulbs?
 
 
Dances with Gophers
12:15 / 26.11.02
Places like Homebase, B&Qs and some art shops sell them. They arn't a cure but they help.
 
  
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