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Turk
01:47 / 25.11.02
This may well prove to be a truly stupid question but I have get this off my mind and I think you folks here know enough about everything to bring me the peace I seek on this matter.

What with the football this weekend, the mighty clash between the two footballing knights, Sir Alex and Sir Bobby, I got to wondering about how many other countries there are that could hold similar match.
That is a very roundabout way of asking, are knighthoods and peerages and alike a specific British peculiarity or are there other nations out there that have equivalent honours systems? If so, what are they?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
09:02 / 25.11.02
I think most countries have some sort of honours system, but often they are the equivalent of the British honours list - the various ranks and orders such as the KCB (Knight Companion of the Bath), MBE, OBE, Order of the Garter; and then there are the military medals (Victoria Cross, etc). I think this site might be some help here. The fact that some of these distinctions confer the honorific 'Sir' or 'Dame' on the bearer is a hangover from yer actual chivalric knighthood, and I don't know whether that holds true elsewhere.

Where the British system does differ is in the conferring of life peerages as a means of distinction - which also gives the bearer the right to sit in the House of Lords. I can't think of another western country where a distinction of this kind, conferred by the head of state with the advice of the leader of the administration, carries the right to sit in a chamber of government - how obviously is that system open to abuse? Grrr. It's also more than a little bizarre given that hereditary peerages are no longer being created.

Obviously there are plenty of families of noble descent around in Europe, but I can't think of another country where they are so entrenched in the actual government.

Hope that's some help at any rate.
 
 
Baz Auckland
09:47 / 25.11.02
Obviously there are plenty of families of noble descent around in Europe, but I can't think of another country where they are so entrenched in the actual government.

I'm assuming that this is common in most countries. You have the descendants of polticians and businessmen from hundreds of years ago still owning pots of money and directing things, they just don't get to add "Lord of ____" to it. More unofficial like.

Just for the record, Canada has the "Order of Canada", but a Canadian citizen CAN get a peerage from the Queen. It gets complicated though if said Canadian owns some newspapers critical of the government, as in the case of Conrad 'Tubby' Black. The PM refused to let him be a Lord and Cdn, so he renounced his Cdn citizenship to become Lord Black last year. Loser.
 
 
Fist Fun
11:07 / 25.11.02
I read this morning about a difference between the UK and the US. Here success is often rewarded by bestowed honours whereas in the States success allows people the money to buy themselves tribute e.g; a museum or univeristy building named after them.
 
 
grant
15:55 / 25.11.02
Spain has a constitutional monarchy, and King Juan Carlos is a bit active, politically - this nutshell description page doesn't mention the Spanish nobility at all.
This odd funeral report says the nobles now have no standing. Ah, well.

I know in Germany, folks use titles for prestige, but little else. It doesn't even mean money any more, thanks to the war.
 
 
Baz Auckland
23:00 / 25.11.02
Last I heard from Italy, the guy who would be king right now wants to go to Italy (he's barred from ever entering the country.) He says he doesn't want to get involved, just being Italian, he'd like to live there...

The current member of the Bourbons(sp?) is working in a restaurant in France and is head of the Monarchist Party of France. He would like to be king. I don't see the French going for it though.... they have the fun Legion of Honour instead.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
16:19 / 26.11.02
The Swedes still have a royal family and I think they've got a bunch of arctic explorers in their peerage, though it's all ceremonial. I was just reading something about the Queen of Sweden in the 1950's, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was. Was she a sponsor of Thor Heyerdahl's? Something like that. King Carl Gustaf was crowned or whatever in the '70s and is an environmentalist.

Wasn't I saying something about useless data?
 
  
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