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Explaining Warren Ellis to the grunting masses

 
 
Bullets
20:42 / 24.11.02
I managed to get a short email interview with Warren Ellis for a tiny publication I write for. It's hugely exciting for me, but I'm not sure any of our readers are going to care, because I don't think any of them read comics. What introduction can I write about Ellis to make it clear how important and brilliant and worth-reading-about he is?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
21:37 / 24.11.02
I think you should stress that he's a man who's got lots of good ideas about the comics medium and how to market comics, but also mention that nearly every bit of fiction that he writes is pretty much drivel. Explain that in some ways, it doesn't matter that his fiction writing is crap, because he puts "asses in seats" and that the comics industry desperately needs people to do just that. But also question if when people use a hack like Ellis as an example of one of the best and brightest writers in the medium, if that doesn't more harm to the public's perceptions of comics than good. After all, his writing's about on the same level as Xena, Dawson's Creek, or Star Trek - you wouldn't want to hold that kind of thing up as an example of how great television could be, would you?
 
 
CameronStewart
00:26 / 25.11.02
Flux, while I largely agree with you in regard to the quality of Ellis' writing, if Bullets' interview is going to be read mainly by people who don't read comics, with the aim of getting them interested in comics, having an introduction saying "this guy's really popular, but also very shit" is, frankly, a pretty terrible idea. By your own admission the comics industry desperately needs new readers, so kicking off an article with a paragraph or two about how one of the industry's most popular writers is only capable of writing "drivel" is a sure-fire way to keep the interest level down. Not to mention the fact that Bullets clearly doesn't share your opinion (or mine) of Ellis' writing.

And Xena, Star Trek and Dawson's Creek are all very popular television programmes, despite their crapness. Could be that the people who enjoy them don't actually think they're crap? Those same people might also enjoy Ellis' comics...

I'd suggest an introduction that briefly explains to the audience that despite appearances, comics aren't limited to superheroics, and then talk about Ellis as an activist and mention his efforts to broaden comics awareness and appeal. You might also want to include relevant URLs such as artbomb.net or The Master List.
 
 
CameronStewart
00:32 / 25.11.02
You might also start by explaining how much of contemporary culture is derived, influenced, or adapted from comics, such as Buffy, The Matrix, etc - paying particular attention to films such as Road To Perdition, Ghost World and From Hell (I can't even count the number of people who have been genuinely surprised when I tell them that these are all based on comic books). Mention Jimmy Corrigan winning the Booker Prize. Make it sound like comics are the cutting edge that no one knows about...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
01:01 / 25.11.02
Yeah, I know you're right Cameron. Bullet's desire to write a profile of Ellis designed to show the "grunting masses" what a brilliant writer Warren is just hit a bunch of my cranky buttons. I wasn't being very serious in my suggestions, I apologize. We can write this off in the interests of "equal time", okay?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:48 / 25.11.02
See if you can get sales figures for his early 'Transmet', 'Authority' and 'Planetary' trades, and stick to them in your introduction. 'Big Screen Ideas', Transmet being Hunter S. Thompson loose in the future world of Blade Runner on crack, Planetary being about the history of comics... And let's just ignore the rubbish bits.
 
 
bio k9
10:16 / 25.11.02
Talk about the new issue of Planetary.
 
 
Sebastian
11:03 / 25.11.02
I personally think that the "this is shit, this isn't" is out of the question. It either sells well or not, and you either enjoy it or not.

You know, I still can't decide for myself if I personally enjoy Ellis-Hitch Authority or not, especially the more I contrast it with Ellis' Stormwatch, the Change or Die thing above all. They are immensely different, and I really doubt I would give a shit for Authority had it been drawn by someone else.

The man is a real-life comic book writer, with selling books, and he keeps lots of people in five continents talking about him. That should be enough for an intro, and you even spare the word "brilliant".
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:07 / 25.11.02
Just curious - isn't maybe a better idea to give someone other than Warren Ellis press, since Warren already gets far more than his fair share? Why not write about Peter Milligan, for example - he's great, far more accessable than Ellis, and doesn't get nearly as much ink.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:27 / 25.11.02
Flux, honest to God--would you just shut the fuck up?

Bullet's already got the interview, and now he needs a lead line. End of story.

And your comments are not helping.

Stop second-guessing, stop judging. If you haven't got anything helpful to add, leave it alone. If you want to rip the piss out of Warren Ellis (yet again...), that's fine: but do it in another thread.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
12:32 / 25.11.02
"Hi, Mister Ellis? Yeah, it's me again, I've decided that my tiny publication would do better without the exposure it might get for containing an interview with you so I'm going to try and get Kirby via a medium. Thanks!"
 
 
Sebastian
13:29 / 25.11.02
HA! You've been reading this, You Sinner!!
 
 
Sharkgrin
20:57 / 25.11.02
You wanna catch the semi-literate reader's interest?

Explain how Planetary became the Loch Ness Monster while less-acclaimed titles kept chugging on. Transmet is romper room next to this title.

Explain the creative force behind 'Bad World'. Alienation and unadulterated dementia, uncut, melted down in a spoon, and mainlined to my timid, cringing brain. Ennis' Preacher was soft-porn compared to this three-shot series. Not great writing, but the Crypt-Keeper would envy the presentation.

Explain the effects of th terrorist attacks on the Authority - Did the snake eat its own tail and dissapear (corporately speaking) or did any personal twinges of self-loathing creep in? How drunk and insecure did he get after foretelling the the Wrong Bastard?

Do the world a favor and share a glimpse of the revolting, unrelenting viscera that I sorta/kinda/wish highlights the man. The stuff that goes on in his head from his titles above would make most people barking mad.
 
 
Dave Philpott
01:12 / 30.11.02
Perhaps you could dissect COME IN ALONE and Warren's related writings on the politics and possible dead-end future of comics. I can't seem to sludge through his comics ("Perhaps you might even have started to read one of his books, Fanny...") but his insight is both brilliant and razor-sharp common sense.

And if anyone could recommend something by Warren that is worthy of the press and adulation, I'd love to read it. I respect his work as an essayist, I can't hang with his comics.
 
 
PatrickMM
15:04 / 30.11.02
Dave, Planetary is really brilliant, one of the best comics out there. A lot of Transmet is great as well. I'm not sure what you've read of Ellis', but if you haven't tried either of those, get Planetary: All Over The World and Other Stories, and Transmet: Back on the Street. Good stuff. Other than those two series, I haven't been particularly impressed with most of Ellis' stuff.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
22:19 / 30.11.02
and transmet kind of fizzled at the end

I would focus on planatary as a comics in the real world kind of story.
Planetary really is the best stuff he has ever done imho and should be held up for the cool factor. Mention transmet, because people have heard of it, and if not the know HS thompson. Finish off with something about him currently being one of the biggest euro writers in the business, along with grant morrison etc...
 
 
Dave Philpott
00:54 / 01.12.02
Remember the seen at the beginning of Stallone's COBRA where he's in the grocery store, ready to shoot down the bad guys, but he has to reach up to drink a Coors before doing anything else? That's the type of shit that sums up the bulk of what I've read from Warren Ellis. It's all attitude and posturing, all berries and no vine.

Haven't tried PLANETARY, though...
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
14:16 / 01.12.02
While I'm a huge fan of Ellis' work in general, I fall firmly in the camp that believes that his best work is his earlier work. Lazarus Churchyard is the easiest to find of that particular era of his writing and it's well worth the hunting down. (It's in print.) His early stuff has such a burning, wrathful passion that it's amazing. Unfortunatly, a lot of his really good early stuff was in various superhero books that are a) hard to find and b) not very approachable when you do find them. Druid, Hellstorm, Doom 2099... there was such a vitality and energy to his writing back then. The same holds mostly true for Stormwatch (which is also in TPB) as well.

Early Ellis work, even up to and including earlier Transmet, has this air of betrayed optimisim that hasn't really carried over into his later work. While Planetary is brillant and a technical masterpiece; it, along with most of his recent work, dosen't have the spark of passion that his earlier work carried.

Your mileage may vary, of course.

And back to the topic at hand, you might want to address his shift in writing style in recent years. It's the most obvious, of course, in Transmet.
 
 
neuepunk
03:47 / 02.12.02
Spin off of Flux's criticism -- Ellis's newest works could very easily be television programs. I wouldn't be that surprised to see something like Global Frequency on Fox, and Ministry of Space would fit in on the Sci Fi channel, or even a miniseries on a larger network.

People like these things. It's not so-called "high art," but it has a place.

Then again, I just acquired Ellis's entire Excalibur run and thought it was pretty decent, so my opinion might be tainted.
 
 
Slim
00:28 / 03.12.02
davephilpott hit the nail on the head. Anyone that could tie something to the piece of shit that was COBRA is a GENIUS, I say.
 
 
Enamon
03:43 / 03.12.02
Just start off describing some of the weirder panels of Transmet. Or just rip off W.E.'s narration concerning them. It's like I always say, "When nothing bright comes to your eyes you know it's time to plagiarize." Actually, no, I don't say that. But still it should work. Beleeeve me.
 
 
CameronStewart
12:46 / 03.12.02
Keep in mind, folks, that this is only meant to be an introduction to the interview, not an article in itself. So he likely wouldn't have the space to do a lot of these suggestions...
 
 
Dave Philpott
00:34 / 06.12.02
Damn it, Cameron. Way to bring it back to focus and shut down our wildly divergent tangent.
 
  
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