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Weight Loss?

 
 
Mickey
04:53 / 21.11.02
Say I used sigils to lose 10 pounds. Would this be safe, would it work effectively? Thanks. I already exercise a lot (started to anyway), so that should help lots.
 
 
illmatic
07:25 / 21.11.02
Hi Mickey
"I don't know" is the answer to your question.
I think sigils - all magickal techniques actually - are an ongoing process of experimentation, and you have to find out what works for you, and can put belief and energy into.
I don't think anyone can claim to be an expert and state this will definitely work, exactly how you expect, 100%!
The thing to do is experiment, read around, be critical, and draw your own conclusions.
Hope this helps - mining the Barbelith archive here might give you some interesting perspectives.
 
 
Papess
09:46 / 21.11.02
"OH dear gawd! Someone stole the topic abstract!"

I know I use some methods of yogic breathing to help me. I gained quite a bit of weight due to pregnancy and depression and when I finally beat the blues, I could more easily focus myself on dealing with the weight.

Now I don't exercise (well, except for a bit of yoga and pilates) in and of itself. I am very active, but I think using yogic breathing speeds the process up tremendously.

Another method I use is massage. If I want to activate a part of myself, I massage it. I visualize my fingers reaching into my body to massage the internal organs. There is a book about Tibetan self-massage you may find helpful. I will try to remember it's name or maybe someone else knows what I am talking about.

I do not know if the sigil I used worked, (I think I used a sigil, heh)LOoking back on it now, I think it only got me to a certain point, anyhow. The sigil/spell may have initially worked to get me motivated and out of the blues.

All in all, I lost almost 40lbs already from about March (That is when my B-day is and I made a sigil then) Not incredible, but not too shabby either.

One more thing I learned, is do not finish everything on your plate. Save some at the begining of your meal. Set it aside and do not let anyone touch it. Give it as an offering to your choosen deity. Yeah, not exactly magick, but it is worthwhile.
 
 
FatherDog
15:52 / 21.11.02
Magic needs an avenue to work. You're currently up ten pounds because your caloric intake (food) exceeds your caloric output (physical activity) by enough to cause those ten pounds.

If you continue with your current levels of food and exercise, and sigilize for weight loss, the magic is going to try to find an avenue to work. If your eating and exercise habits stay the same, it has to go through some other avenue... your metabolism may speed up, or other internal changes may take place. And that's not necessarily healthy.

If you feel you're overweight, set yourself a program of eating less and exercise more. Then sigilize for willpower to stick to it, or exorcise food cravings or tendencies towards laziness.

All IMHO, of course.
 
 
Vadrice
19:56 / 21.11.02
and whatever you do to improve yourself, don't let it rule you. Don't obcess.

Be chill with it and allow it to work without ruling you.

Nice and smooth, and then you'll look good. Like Prince!
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
21:04 / 21.11.02
May: got any Yogic Breathing tips, or some links? I need to get back into yoga, and figure that low-level implementation of stuff like this daily would help...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:18 / 21.11.02
Ms. Tricks is enormously right here - give the Magic something to work through. A dedication to phthonos (the personification of envy) might work, depending on the headspace you are in. Otherwise Demeter might also be good - she produces the starchy products you may be saving for dedication. Avoid more chthonic deities if you can, would be my unlearned advice.

Rothkoid - have you considered Hatha Yoga as a starting point? My yoga chums see it as a good way to move into the physical space, and prepare for yoga asa meditational exercise...
 
 
Mickey
23:40 / 21.11.02
Thanks everyone. I actually need to lose more like 30 pounds, but I'm trying to take it one step at a time. I'm going to try eating as healthy as I can and exercise a lot. Tricks, thanks about your info on the yogic breathing and Tibten massage, i'll try to search about that on google. And congradulations on losing your 40 pounds, that must have taken a lot of work.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
00:00 / 22.11.02
Haus: haven't actually given it a try. I did do yoga for a while with the most flexible person I'd ever seen, at the Old Drill Hall near Tott. Ct. Rd. Don't know if it was Hatha; it seemed like she was taking bits and pieces from everywhere for her classes; they weren't *any* real discipline, as far as I could tell. However, in *one* of the classes, she did get us to do this kind of guided meditation, combined with a alternate-nostril-weird-breathing thing that had a really strong reaction with me - that's kinda what I'm trying to recapture.

So in short: hatha? Will look into it. I haven't settled into a yoga routine here, having not moved back out yet. But the day approaches, probably in the next couple of weeks...

My two bits on the sigil thing is that from what I've read, sigils work best in a kind of indirect way; you don't go for the big thing head-on: you have a think about it and aim at strengthening the things that'll help you get there yourself. So, the willpower-strengthening sigil's prolly a Good Thing - I'll certainly give it a whirl when I get more serious about buffing up.
 
 
FatherDog
01:10 / 22.11.02
Mickey:

Aside from magic, if you give me a quick rundown of your weekly schedule and lifestyle/diet, I can give you some pointers for diet and exercise to help drop some weight. Exercise and fitness, like magic, are among my hobbies.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
04:29 / 22.11.02
Rothkoid, that sounds like an ideosynchratic hatha yogi. Hatha combines a lot of different yogic schools and it can get a little esoteric -- never the same thing twice. Shivananda is a popular, and very regularized, form of hatha yoga that's popular in the US (though sometimes its students don't realize it i shivananda!). You'll do that breathing exercise in every class. I've been doing Iyengar yoga as a supplement to martial arts, because I have terrible breath control and trouble with foot cramps. Iyengar is almost completely physical, focusing on perfecting the stances at all costs. Painful, definitely worthwhile, but not much for altered states (unless you count the pain of persisting through foot cramps an altered state).

Listen to me, all yogic n shit. Anyway, none of this stuff is really conducive to losing weight; there are plenty of fat yogis, and the things their fat little bodies can do would amaze you. It does give lie to our consumerist idea that fatness=unhealthiness or even unfitness. Ms Tricks probably found that yogic breathing helped direct her unconscious will to conform to her conscious wishes. Somehow, you have a tendency to do what you ask yourself to do under these conditions. I'm using yogic techniques to help me learn algebra... a little bit.

So, Mickey, as others have suggested, it might not be healthy to ask the sigil to eat the fat for you -- lots of nasty possibilities there. Rather, make a sigil to help you perfect your body, and remember that a flat stomach does not a perfect body make -- as much as I'd like to have Brad Pitt's abdominals.

In my freezer.
 
 
Mickey
22:21 / 22.11.02
hey thanks everyone.

So I guess sigils could be dangerous for this kind of thing.
Fatherdog, this is my schedule:

6 times a week, I jump rope for 10-20 minutes in the morning. I eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and two healthy snacks in between to keep my metabolism up. I also run one or two miles 6 times a week, and practice taekwondo three times a week. At night 4 times a week I do strength exercises, and I stretch at least 5 times a week.
 
 
FatherDog
14:04 / 25.11.02
Mickey:

With that much cardio, I'm really surprised you feel you're overweight; based on the routine, I'd say you're probably in pretty good shape. What kinds of meals do you usually have?
 
 
Papess
16:01 / 25.11.02
Four exercises in: PRANAYAMA - BREATHING CONTROL IN YOGA

Some interesting essays on Pranayama

More instructions on Yogic breathwork

These sites contain some instruction on the breathwork I utilize myself. I especially like the Breath of Fire which works well with walking, as well as sitting or standing.
 
 
Papess
11:14 / 26.11.02
Kum Nye Massage

The link goes to the book I have used for many years and can no longer find (damn). I couldn't remember the name and I kept clicking on recipies for korean pickled cabbage.

Another good book Light on Pranayama
 
 
Star Of The Sea
19:38 / 27.11.02
An excellent method, and one I use is to create a mental thought form to help you exercise- to push you much, much further than you could yourself, or even than a training partner could. Imagine your own Tyler Burden character.

A good example of this is Zippy, the alter-ego of the hardcore powerlifter Dave Tate. Zippy does the things Dave can't.

http://www.testosterone.net/articles/187west2.html

It's surprising how far you can push yourself, when you're not yourself.
 
  
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