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Ever stab a good friend in the back? Betrayal and treachery

 
 
Jack Denfeld
04:25 / 21.11.02
This thread was inspired by reading a few pages of Porno (a few pages read in a bookstore because its still hardback and $25). Sickboy made me think back to when Mark screwed his friends over.

So what is the worst thing you've done to a friend? Do you regret it? Did you regret it at the time? Did they know you screwed them over? Are you still friends? All the juicy details please.
 
 
videodrome
06:20 / 21.11.02
From a friend's perspective, yes.

I'd been close to this kid for a few years, we were roommates during the first year of university, and had shared housing for several years after that. All that time, he'd had a thing for this one girl (even whilst dating others), with whom he had some sort of on and off relationship. He painted it as a very head-based romantic thing, and maybe it was at one point. I only knew the girl in passing (though she was in the first short film I ever made) and I'd been friends with this kid for about five years before she and I really got to know each other.

We ran into each other one day, had lunch, talked, all that. I got around to asking her what was up with him, as their relationship was a constant topic among a number of us, and she told a very different story which summed up as: he doesn't take me out ever and expects me to be really into him. She let a couple other things slip that let me know she'd fancied me for quite a while, and we hooked up.

Telling him was a big deal, because I knew what this girl and his relationship with her had been, at least in his head. This was big stuff, and I was dancing all over it. I told him, and he was calm through the whole thing, professed not to be mad about it. It was obvious that he was, though, especially when the conversations he had with others got back to me. I said, 'Hey, I can fuck off for a while, you know, not be in your face with this,' which he declined. But he also never told me that he was angry about this, and I lost most of my respect for him as a result.

She and I dated for six years, and he went on to repeat this scenario, casting himself in my role with the new upset guy being yet another good friend of mine. I know that he considered what I did an incredible betrayal, yes, a stab in the back, but it didn't stop him when he had a chance with some other girl...he and I have spoken perhaps half a dozen times in the eight or so years since this went down. I think about calling him occasionally, most recently when I moved south, but then I remember how I felt about him when he wouldn't yell at me, and I leave the phone where it is.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:01 / 21.11.02
Maybe he just realised that he wasn't actually that bothered? It does happen...

Anyway, will think about this one and get back...
 
 
videodrome
13:12 / 21.11.02
Perhaps so. I'd like to think that was the case, but based on a great deal of shit-slinging about me related by others, I can only think he was in fact very upset about it and wouldn't tell me.

But hell, it was a long time ago, we were little more than kids, and everyone has moved on...
 
 
cheshire
03:48 / 22.11.02
once has this occurred within my life...and i have yet to forgive myself. of the four parties involved, two i considered family, one myself, the fourth i consider a mistake. a momentary lapse of reason occured on my part, and one family member was betrayed. i wish it had never happened, and have been trying to rebuild what i lost ever since. part of me died that day....
 
 
Saint Keggers
03:49 / 22.11.02
yes....literally.
 
 
01
07:06 / 23.11.02
Fucked my friend's girlfriend. Really bad yes I know, and I do still feel guilty about it, but goddammit there was a good reason and that reason is this: Threesome.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:37 / 23.11.02
Once started seeing a friend's girlfriend while he was away having a nervous breakdown and being paranoid about her seeing people behind his back... yeah, sure, she told me they were no longer together (and all manner of nasty shit about him which I never found out- or wanted to- whether it was true or not), and she ended up screwing ME around, but it was still something I shouldn't have done. Under ANY circumstances. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Especially as a couple of years later he tried to kill himself and wrote lots of really nice stuff about me in his suicide note, and about how guilty he felt for suspecting me of seeing this girl. Fortunately I got him to hospital and he was okay.

If there's one thing I could go back and change, it's that.
 
 
The Apple-Picker
11:42 / 23.11.02
To echo Videodrome: From a friend's perspective, yes.

Freshman year in college, I had two people that I called my best friends; I'll call them Ms. E and Mr. J. Mr. J and I became physically involved. He made the ice-breaking move while we were both drunk, and so later I'd wanted to believe that he'd taken advantage of the situation; when I was honest with myself, I had to admit that I wanted something like that to happen because I had been mooning over him, because I had believed myself, however mistakenly, to be in love with this guy. And besides, was I ever not drunk then? We never told Ms. E about it because I knew she wouldn't like it and would be upset.

Probably the actual back-stab came the next year, when I revealed to Ms. E what had happened. She didn't need to know; I was just being selfish. The guilt was killing me.
 
 
jeff
01:32 / 13.12.02
Ever since I saw this topic come up. I've seen it as the angel of death hanging over me. Not prepeared to go into details, but I have "commented" on my best mates girlfriend in a relationship with real marital possibilities. I understand in a decent relationship a couple should not keep secrets from each over, otherwise Doom lingers nearby (playing Counterstrike), ergo this mistake lingers, waiting for him to find out.



And tonight I realised what it all summed up to. Everything I know and love I've been sabotaging, therefore, I'm taking it as a very obvious sign to evacuate, but I don't know if I'll ever forgive myself.
 
 
Chubby P
13:10 / 13.12.02
Well my brother really fancied this girl but she wasn't interested and fancied me so I went out with her (knowing full well how my brother felt!) which was a really bad thing to do. Especially since at the time he hadn't had a proper girlfriend (dispite being 3 years older than me) and was very depressed. He looked so crushed when he found out. No-one in the family was impressed with me at all. Over the following weeks he slowly forgave me with time but I still felt a bit guilty. My relationship with her lasted 2 years before it collapsed for various reasons (Completely unrelated to anything to do with my brother).

Now, my brothers happily living with his girlfriend of 6 years and is still good friends with the girl I "stole" from him (I don't see or speak to her at all anymore.). He still makes comments about what I did from time to time so I obviously hurt him quite badly but time has mended the wound. He used to see life as a contest between us and always felt that I was winning (I was brighter, had more friends, had girlfirends and was younger than him which made it even worse). Now that he's achieved things I've never done (my longest relationship is 3 years and I have never lived with any of my girlfriends) he's a lot happier.

Happily for my mother we still get on fine and needless to say when I see him at Christmas we will get on really well and after a few hours together we'll be arguing like we always used to as kids!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:44 / 13.12.02
Where did this idea come from that if someone you know (even yr brother) fancies someone but they're not interested then that person is off limits to you? Tsk, tsk. That ain't betrayal, it's spreading the love.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:34 / 13.12.02
Ha, more people end up hating you if you spread the love.
 
  
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