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Bodyworlds professor performs public autopsy

 
 
invisible_al
20:44 / 20.11.02
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2493291.stm, Professor Gunther von Hagens is at it again with a public autopsy (which will also be show on channel 4 at midnight tonight). The police said they wouldn't intervene but sent along observers, charges may be pressed later.

I'm not quite sure what to make of it all, yes the human body is a wonderful thing and the dead person in question did leave his body to the professor to do this sort of thing with it but it's still leaving me with a taste of Circus of Horrors. Having seen a documentary on the man, he gives me the impression that he's bought into his own mystique and is doing this for the attention and notoriety rather than any cod excuses about the 'Democratisation of anatomy'.

This sort of thing used to go on all the time at the beginnings of anatomy, public autopsys were all the rage for the smart set in Venice.

I don't know wether I want to watch this, but I should probably video the debate. If anyone does watch it could you give us a report?
 
 
gozer the destructor
21:33 / 20.11.02
I haven't been, though it's only round the corner from me, but I would of done had I thought I could get in. Acording to the news it was packed out. Listening to the guy speak, he used the report from the Bristol heart inquiry to support him which stated something along the lines that people should be aware of what happens at an autopsy...Personally i'm with the guy, death is and has been a huge taboo in western society, it's about time someone showed a bit more of a pragmatic viewpoint regarding the dead.

The sensationalist element gives it a bit of an unwanted glamour I agree but having said that, this dude is going all out.
 
 
Lullaboozler
22:15 / 20.11.02
which will also be show on channel 4 at midnight tonight

Just watching it now. Seems to be lots of close ups of the audience, with the actual autopsy being done in long shot.

Now he's onto the internal organs, we may get more close ups of him working - now it no longer looks like a person...
 
 
Linus Dunce
23:14 / 20.11.02
Yup, lots of long shots of the thedore(?)-wearing Prof. GvH and audience reaction. At one point a member of the audience said loudly, "don't you think it would be an appropriate mark of respect to remove your HAT?" Prof. stuttered, then pointed to a on-set reproduction of a painting of an eighteenth(?) century dissection, the surgeon too wearing a hat, and suggested he would keep it on as a mark of respect to his forbears. Audience loved it. The show was helped along greatly by commentary from a UK coroner/anatomist type (prof.'s English was a little stilted and I think he was nervous). The coverage wasn't well-paced though, possibly because the camera crew were distracted/distressed by the gore, or possibly because they weren't prepared -- apparently the prof. had been informed by the police it was illegal without a license and I guess everyone was quite surprised when it went ahead. Looking forward to the tabloid responses tomorrow!
 
 
Lullaboozler
20:38 / 21.11.02
Having watched the whole thing through last night I feel myself tending toward the POV of it was a good thing to do (in terms of confronting our own mortality etc.) but was not the right way to go about it.

It all felt a bit too much like a 'show' of self promotion by GvH and not enough informative content. Even conceding the fact that Prof. von Hagens was probably bricking himself most of the way through it for fear of some plod feeling his collar, it didn't feel like he was doing this exclusively for the benefit of the public.

C4's coverage was almost laughably tame. All long shots showing us very little of the cadaver - why? We see so many 'fake' bodies in televsion and cinema, yet when it comes to showing us a real life actual dead person the producers/directors get all coy. I wanted them to do a close up of the chest cavity when GvH had hefted out the guy's internal organs - just to show how much stuff is crammed inside us.

Shame. Wasted opportunity to push the boundaries of public attitude towards death.
 
 
bjacques
07:56 / 22.11.02
Even better would have been to substitute the Thing (John Carpenter version) on the slab. Trouble ensues with hilarious results...

anybody know where I can download a video?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:39 / 22.11.02
I missed it (both on TV and in real life... err, death). I've been in two minds about the whole "BodyWorlds" thing (I seem to remember a thread debating its ethics in Art and Design a while back), but I have to admit, as soon as I heard about the autopsy I thought "fuck, I'm so there". Except I wasn't. Still not sure what to make of it (though the autopsy somehow seems less "freakshow-ish" than the exhibition itself) but my human curiosity rages.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
10:55 / 22.11.02
Art & Design thread.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:23 / 22.11.02
New Scientist story.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
18:44 / 22.11.02
I think, in our sanitised Walt-Disney world, it should be a good thing that people have the opportunity to become more easeful around a dead person.

I'm surprised by the number of people I meet who have never seen, let alone touched, a dead person. Since I have seen so many in my time as a nurse (turn up for an early shift and it would often be "Last offices in Room 6, ZoCher. Your turn"...), people often express very odd views to me about the dead body and have many naïve but understandable questions on the subject.

However, the Cat in the Hat seemed more like David Copperfield or Jeremy Beadle than Dr Cuyp giving his Anatomy Lesson. It all seemed very disrespectful of the deceased.

Liked the article by Michael Foxton, a young doctor, in today's G2 supplement. Particularly his account of the paying public filing out as soon as the star turn departed and before the end, despite the avowed purpose of public education.

Poor dead alcoholic chap on the slab - wonder what he got out of it? No confidentiality issues around his briefly encapsulated and broadcast medical history.
 
 
Fra Dolcino
09:22 / 25.11.02
A consenting adult who wishes to be cut up for an audience is fair enough with me.

Gets a bit shady when you look at his 'models'. Mental patients from Siberia (according to his documentary), alcoholics.
 
 
grant
19:00 / 03.12.03
Back in the news, cuz China says the body-processing factory makes them a little queasy.
 
  
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