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Artists of your National Dreamspace

 
 
at the scarwash
21:40 / 18.11.02
At the Menil Gallery and the Contemporary Arts Museum here in Houston, there is currently a retrospective of the American artist H. C. Westermann. While I was wandering, amazed past his beautifully crafted sculptures and cabinets of curiosity, the wonderful prints at the CAM, it occurred to me that he was an artist who seemed to be tapped into what I can only describe as the American Dreamspace. He works largely in wood and metal, using traditional American arts and crafts techniques, embellished with dollar bills, bottle caps, and iconography from newspaper strips and science fiction movies (Swingin' Red King, an eight foot robot formed of fire-engine red painted pine moulding looks like it stepped out of one of the less accomplished younger siblings of Forbidden Planet). Some of his pieces are wonderfully intricate model buildings, with tiny windows through which one can see the fantastic inhabitants going about their miniature insane lives. His prints draw similarly from the pop unconscious, with Indian heads, tattooed circus strongmen and human flies, and countless Death Ships of No Port (his infinitely repeating motif of his experiences in the Pacific during WWII).

I guess what made me feel that Westermann, together with artists like George Herriman, Robert Rauschenberg, Tom Waits, and Wallace Stevens, works in this vague American Dreamspace is that they work with indigenous forms and rhythms, bedecked with pop detrius and ephemera, using these elements not solely for their own sake, but in exploration of more fundamental themes and experiences, viewed through a uniquely American filter.
I don't know how well this babble holds together, but if anyone has any ideas about it, I'd like to hear them. Also, I'd like to know which artists you see as representative of the Dreamtime of your country.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:38 / 19.05.05
I can see where you're coming from. I think everyone, at some level, creates work that's unique to their own self, their own identity- and as part of that, their nationality may well come through.

For England, I can think of the Sex Pistols...wouldn't have written "God Save the Queen" if there wasn't a queen in their country; wouldn't have been as shocking taken out of the context of conservative English society.

I would question your use of the phrase "aesthetic nationalism" to describe Rauschenberg though. Nationalism usually implies a kind of nation/race worship whereby the Nationalist is in thrall to the greatness of his own people. "Aesthetic Nationalism" to me means Albert Speer, not Pop Art.
 
 
at the scarwash
17:53 / 20.05.05
i was attempting to use the word provocatively I suppose, but I would argue that it is correct in the context. I won't tediously paste the whole article, but part of the Wikipedia entry on nationalism states that "It is the discrete or implied doctrine which holds the preservation and independence of its distinct identity, in all its aspects, and the "glory and wellbeing" of the nation as core aspects of its fundamental ethos." I'd say that the artists I mentioned about fit this definition to one extent or another. The "glory and well-being" part may initially smack of Treitschkian nationalism, but I'm one of those inreasingly rare Americans who believe that artists that critique the current order or explore the uglier natures of this country are the truest of patriots.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:10 / 23.05.05
I'm one of those inreasingly rare Americans who believe that artists that critique the current order or explore the uglier natures of this country are the truest of patriots.

Of course, and that's just as good a reading as any, especially with regards to Rauschenburg. I just think that what these artists are doing is different enough from what Speer/The Romans were doing that calling it nationalist art doesn't tell the whole story.

Do 'Lithers know if there's a tradition in other countries than America of those who criticise artistically being seen as true patriots?
 
 
skolld
14:36 / 24.05.05
Do 'Lithers know if there's a tradition in other countries than America of those who criticise artistically being seen as true patriots?

Picasso, with 'Guernica', i think fits that discription in Spain.
Malevich in Russia might as well. His founding of Suprematism could be considered a subversive attempt to question an oppressive government.
I would say any of the Bauhaus Artists in Germany.

I also have to side with Legba, I don't think Nationalism and Patriotism are the same. A patriot can be a socialist or a fascist, whatever, but i don't think that makes them a Nationalist in the truest sense of the word.
 
  
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