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Chi Kung, Middle Pillar, Rune Stances - comparison and opinion

 
 
Gypsy Lantern
12:14 / 15.11.02
I originally posted this in the 'Modern Magick Lesson 1' thread, but it's a bit of a tangent and might benefit from a thread of it's own.

The Middle Pillar is a really effective exercise, and the LBRP is a useful thing to have in the bag of tricks - but I was wondering what peoples thoughts are on how well these exercises compare to alternative methods of 'energy regulation' (for want of a better word) such as Tai Chi, Chi Kung, Yoga or Runic Stances.

It seems to me that whilst each of these practices have certain things in common, they all operate differently and have subtely different effects beyond the simple differences in cultural flavour. Anybody got any thoughts on this? Does anyone here utilise (for instance) both daily LBRP and Middle Pillar alongside regular Tai Chi or Chi Kung practice? and if so, what are your opinions on how the two systems interact, compliment, or conflict with one another?
 
 
illmatic
12:39 / 15.11.02
Well, the one big difference that all the books go on about is that exercises like the Middle Pillar, Tai Chi etc seem to focus on the circulation of energy while Kundalini yoga type stuff seems to focus on straight up the spine to the Sahasara Chakra and transcendence.
Interesting comparison between the accepting nature of Taoist practice and more "gnostic" approaches, I suppose but I think this sort of thing is largely theory, and if you are lucky enough to have any Kundalini type experiences you might find it shooting around all over the place.

To get back to my own experience, I've recently started studying Hsing I, before this my main physical discipline had been Chris Hyatt's Energised Meditation. The main diff. seems to be the martial arts side of things are a lot more combat orientated, and thus necessiate an emphasis on balance and movement, while the energised meditation or any of these theraputic approaches the emphasis is on a much more passive body. EM aims to attack tensions and free emotions directly, while this a slow (but nonetheless significant) side effect of internal martial arts.
 
 
grant
16:50 / 15.11.02
The tai chi thing I noticed right off - it's definitely a different *feeling* but using the same *stuff*, I think.

Like the difference between a tub of warm water and a hot shower, maybe. The magick feels *hotter* but the tai chi *moves it around*.
 
 
Wyrd
22:38 / 16.11.02
Dare I jinx things but I'm pleased to see so many interesting threads on Barbelith.... Anyway, back to business.

I've worked several different magical "traditions", and have practised T'ai Chi as well. What I think (note, it's just a theory) is that there are different modes we operate in all the time, and just like that there are different magical modes we can adopt, depending on the circumstances.

Yes, I think they are different, and they achieve different results. That's why it's useful to become adept at more than one magical "mode". For instance, most of us wouldn't go to a high-powered meeting in the corporate world in tatty jeans and a t-shirt and then talk in the same manner as if we were with our buddies. We all shift into different modes of behaviour depending on the circumstances. I remember Grant Morrison talking about becoming "Puritan Boy" for a period when he needed to get a lot of work done, but thankfully he didn't stay in that mode forever.

Anyhoo, the point I'm trying to say is that you're correct (as far as I have experienced). Different traditions have sprung up within specific cultural paradigms, and of course that means that they are specially good at dealing with certain situations. For example, I've found that there are certain entities that are particularly useful in specific situations. The Lwa are great for a party, or for some serious conversation about bad mojo, and you have to shift into working with their rules when you are consulting with Them. The Hermetic tradition(imo) is convoluted and restrictive, but would be a great mode for dealing with lawyers and politicans. Perhaps it might explain the obsession with demons. (can't resist the cheap jokes)

Once again, I think I'm devolving into silliness. Hope I made some sense.
 
  
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