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Voudoun in a Nutshell

 
 
Seth
22:20 / 14.11.02
I was wondering whether you sweet ladies and gentlemen would mind helping me out. As usual I want to find out about a subject, but am short on the time and energy to do the searching myself.

Knock yourself out... I'm after descriptions of deities, places, people, myths, techniques... I'll lap up anything you can offer me, although I have particular interest in the crossover between this and Catholicism.
 
 
Rev. Wright
23:04 / 14.11.02
Your God is Black!!!
 
 
cusm
00:43 / 15.11.02
Want some links?
 
 
bpm77
11:44 / 15.11.02
you might want to check out the following books. Though they all have dubious elements to them, they are very informative.

Urban Voodoo: A Beginners Guide to Afro-Caribbean Magic
by J. Black

The VooDoo in New Orleans
by Tallant

The Santeria Experience
by Gonzalez-Whippler

and check out this link for a bib.:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/guides/guide-display/-/16M8OP0IO1PQ3/ref=cm_bg_dp_l_1/002-7186918-3319210
 
 
Hieronymus
14:03 / 15.11.02
Mambo Racine Sans Bout's page was extremely helpful for me when I was researching Papa Legba and the gang. I had no idea you could marry a loa until her site.
 
 
grant
16:41 / 15.11.02
That Urban Voodoo book, if it's the one I've read (some connection with Christopher Hyatt, I think) is basically chaos magick & ceremonial stuff masquerading as/appropriating tropes from Voudun. There's some info, but it's all jumbled up.

The best online source I've found for the Haitian variety is Mambo Racine.
I've read more about the Afro-Cuban stuff, (fairly obviously), and there's a pretty good network here, and some really nice foundation myths here. The recently established public face of Yoruba-Cuban religion is here. (This is the outfit that went to the Supreme Court for their right to sacrifice animals.)

You might get some good, meaty info at this Yoruba religion site, but I haven't surfed it yet.

The depth and significance of the Catholic iconography will vary depending on who's talking and who they're talking to. For a lot of people (probably most - definitely all that I've personally encountered), the orisha are the saints. They don't refer to Eleggua at *all* in conversation, but to San Lazaro or (my preference) San Antonio.
My feeling is that the "secrecy" which most anthropologists and observers see in Yoruba syncretic religions (Voudun, Santeria, etc.) is a lot more intimately tied with "mystery" than they let on. The interesting part is the way the double-naming is used to avoid authority and suppression, but the popular practice simply attributes that relationship to "mystery" and leaves it in the realm of the spirits. Just an unscientific hunch, that.

What spurs this interest? What are you finding compelling or interesting or disturbing?
 
 
grant
16:43 / 15.11.02
Oo! Mass snuck in the Racine while I was typing!
She's genuinely a great resource for info - check her photos out, too.
 
 
Tamayyurt
21:11 / 15.11.02
Awe man, I thought this was gonna be an outline for an article for the zine... after all your research is done care to submit and article on the subject, expressionless? I'd love to read it.
 
 
Tamayyurt
21:18 / 15.11.02
And grant, did you know that to get initiated here in Hialeah (I'm assuming into the mysteries of the orishas) you have to pay like a $1,000?!?! That's insane! They're like the Masons!

Yeah, the old guy I was talking to nearly did a back flip when I mentioned Eleggua.
 
 
Seth
22:51 / 15.11.02
This thread has fascinated me already. I've received three PMs about it already from people offering information/contacts/discussion, all people who preferred the private channel to posting onto the thread. Now, I'm extremely grateful to all three, and I'm going to follow it up with each of them and honour their wishes if they'd prefer not to post here (they all seem to have different reasons), but my interest has been aroused by the synchronicity. That's by far the most private responses I've ever had to something I'd posted, let alone them all turning up in the same twenty-four hour period.

grant: Thank you for your helpful post. I wouldn't expect anything else - you've got a reputation to maintain In response to your question, I'm interested because Voudoun has been mentioned by at least three friends/acquaintances in the last week, in all cases unexpectedly. That and I'm fascinated by the syncretist movements that crop up around the edges of Christianity, how it merges with other traditions... given that I'm trying to found my own special kind of heresy (I bet it's all been done before by the time I'm finished).

Oh, and I'm also encouraging one of the Southampton Barbecell to come out of the woodwork and stop just lurking on the Magick forum. You know who you are, Powerdresser
 
 
bpm77
00:53 / 16.11.02
expressionless, I don't know where you live, but if you are in Florida, I can suggest some places to check out. Particularly in Gainesville- I lived down the street from a Yoruba group which did full initiations, but as far as I know only African-descended people were in the group. They went to Africa (I don't know which country) to get ritually scarred on their faces (no shit) and wore white for a year, the whole deal. The place even sold white pigeons as "pets" (wink wink). If you are in the south east of the US, please let me know. I don't know if they would work with you (they sold me a papa legba cement head, cowery shells, etc, but wouldn't sell me a pigeon to concecrate it, being a cracker and all), but worth a try.
 
 
Tamayyurt
06:56 / 17.11.02
I'm pretty sure it was Nigeria. And you can get black roosters, white doves or even goats in every corner (practically) in Miami.
 
 
grant
13:38 / 17.11.02
Yeah, they raise them in my suburban West Palm neighborhood.
When walking the dog, I occasionally have to keep him from chasing the chickens.

I think my sister hooked up with that Yoruba group briefly while hanging out with the Jamaicans at UF. They're not Santeria or Voudun, actually - they're trying to be the *real deal*. Africa, with none of the European stuff layered over. They sounded like really cool guys, but I never got to meet them.

The initiation thing comes as no surprise - the way I've heard it told, the fee has to be enough to make you realize it's significant. There's also a protracted period of celibacy and wearing-of-white. After which, you're essentially a priest, I think.
 
 
Seth
14:31 / 17.11.02
impulsivelad - I'm not going to write an article for the zine based on anything I dig up in my research. Sorry. I really believe that if there's going to be anything written on this subject for the front page that it should be written by someone with experience and a vested interest, as opposed to someone looking over a few web pages.

bpm77 - I live in England (Southampton to be precise). Thanks for the tip off, though.
 
 
bpm77
14:51 / 17.11.02
think my sister hooked up with that Yoruba group briefly while hanging out with the Jamaicans at UF. They're not Santeria or Voudun, actually - they're trying to be the *real deal*. Africa, with none of the European stuff layered over

sounds like them- they were very cool, gave inexpensive traditional drumming lessons every week to all comers. they were quite serious about the religious practice. they were on NW 6th street, near 23th street.
 
 
grant
19:55 / 18.11.02
Doing some patron saint research, I stumbled on this page here, which starts as an examination of Eleggua/Exu figures through some of the world's pantheons, but also links over to the other orisha.
It *appears* to be written by a believer/insider. There are enough Brazil references to make me think candomble, but it's obviously someone who has read around quite a bit in other things - voudun & palo mayombe also show up. It's also a bit challenging to read, with red type over a black background... with red clouds in it. (Red and black are the colors for Eleggua.)
 
 
grant
20:03 / 18.11.02
Yeah, they're santeros alright. This link will take you to a description of the collars of the saints, along with references to "ache," which is a concept not unlike "mana" or "pneuma" or "prana," but not all the same, either.
 
  
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