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Fellowship of the Ring Special Edition

 
 
Seth
07:36 / 13.11.02
I couldn't see another thread on this subject... apologies if I didn't search hard enough.

I saw this last night. What do people think of the additional footage, re-edited scenes and the new score? I didn't get a chance to see the extras, but I hear they're ridiculous: the most meticulously documented movie making in cinema history.
 
 
doglikesparky
08:17 / 13.11.02
I really liked the new stuff. There's certainly an argument thay don't make the film any better but it's nice to see it all there anyway.
The scene in the woods where Boromir reassures Frodo was very nice. Helped to establish sympathy for him and all....
Thought the score got a bit samey after a while though.

Having started to watch the extras, you're right. This is a well documented movie. I think whether you find them ridiculous or not depends on how much of a nerd you are though. Me? I love it!
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
10:41 / 13.11.02
I have to wait until one of my friends shells out for this. Can't wait.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:35 / 13.11.02
... And I am that nerd. Got it yesterday, watched the first fifteen minutes-worth of the film just to see an example of the extended scene and the new scene, looks really nice. And as for the 'appendices' it really depends on how moist you get at these sorts of things, unlike the extras on the standard version of FotR which looked like TV-spot stuff, these things look like they were done by people that care and assume that the audience do too, the program on Tolkien wasn't done for three year olds, the 3/4 hour set design one was interesting and the 'Coming Together of the Fellowship' documentary was full of Luvvies.

But Orlando Bloom is boo-t-i-ful!
 
 
videodrome
13:00 / 13.11.02
Watched the film last night and was very taken with it. There's much more to many of the characters - Gimli, Boromir and Legolas are all fleshed out, and the time spent simply letting things explain themselves is well-used. I can't see any reason to watch the theatrical cut of the film with this one out there.

I liked the reference to the Trolls (that wasn't in the original, was it?) and the extra stuff in the mines.

Haven't yet watched the extras but am all wet at the thought of doing so; I hate that TV spot shit that's packaged on a lot of discs, and if this material is truly prepared for an audience that does care about filmmaking and is really willing to talk about it, then I'm ready to listen.
 
 
that
13:07 / 13.11.02
I just bought the video extended edition for my dad for Christmas. Sounds like it was a good buy...
 
 
gergsnickle
13:34 / 13.11.02
Does it bother anyone else that this 'special edition' comes a mere 3 months after many people shelled out for what they assumed was the definitive DVD? I haven't purchased either (2wice in the theater was enough, thank you) but I have friends who are quite upset about this.
 
 
Knodge - YOUR nemesis!
13:52 / 13.11.02
I believe they (New Line) stated when they released the theatrical cut that there was an extended edition in the works, which would be released on Nov. 12. If people didn't want to purchase both, they could have waited.
 
 
videodrome
14:02 / 13.11.02
Water's right. They were very clear about what was going to be on each DVD set, and when each would be released. Given that Jackson had to do a lot of re-editing and finishing of this material, the reason for the wait is obvious. (I doubt New Line would have been willing to spring for all this stuff until the picture had made a bucket of cash in the theatre).

Studios do this shit all the time, and if you're going to spend money on DVDs it's worth keeping an eye on some of the DVD sites out there, which are all very good about reporting when different versions of a film will be released.
 
 
gergsnickle
15:23 / 13.11.02
Okay, someone I just spoke to pointed that out as well (that this special edition was announced in advance) - I was going on the reactions of people who obviously didn't know this and felt slighted. Oh well.
 
 
CameronStewart
15:44 / 13.11.02
Um.

I bought the original dvd release a few months back, knowing full well that the Special Edition was on the way. I bought the new one yesterday.

My rationale is that I wasn't sure if the Special Edition was going to be any good, if the new footage would enhance the film or merely bog it down and make it worse (usually stuff that's cut out of a film is cut for a reason) and so I wanted to make sure that I had a copy of the original in case it ended up being deleted and replaced by the "definitive" edition (like the now non-existent original Star Wars films - the rejigged and totally shit Special Editions are all you can get).

So basically, yes, I'm a compulsive idiot.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
16:36 / 13.11.02
Don't sweat it, Cam. I still want to buy one of the copies of the original Exorcist that I see floating around, despite owning the new edition. I'm not sure I like it as much.

And in keeping on topic...I haven't seen FotR since it first came out in theaters. So I'm looking forward to finally seeing it again now that the new edition's finally out. I'd heard, though, that the extended edition was going to be R rated and much more violent. Just noticed that it's still PG-13. What's up w/that? Not bloodthirsty, just curious.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:53 / 13.11.02
As far as I'm aware the new stuff was cut only to get the film down to three hours, it's not full of hobbit-on-hobbit manlove or anything. For example, from what I've seen so far, cut was a bit of Isildur's company getting attacked by orcs, about ten seconds of swashes being buckled while Isildur legs it and jumps in the river, the ring comes off and the trolls spot him, then we're back to what was in the film. After Galadriel's exposition there's a further bit by Bilbo explaining how nice, normal and peaceful hobbits are, and how they don't like adventures. Then we're back to Frodo in a field reading a book.
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:07 / 13.11.02
Just saw it last night as well...
rented it for a dollar

I dug it... lots of deepening of the charactors' coflicts and motavations... also a broadening of time in some places with the addition of several "let's camp here tonight" type of scenes...

additional explanations of Golem's history, What was mined in the mines, and ime spent with the wood elves... the various gifts each was given...or not...

Liked it ALOT and would condier buying it... or renting it again...for a dollar!!!
 
 
arcboi
21:53 / 13.11.02
Do bear in mind that the Super Special Edition of LOTR is due for release Spring 2003. This 10 disk set will feature the Absolute Definitive version which clocks in at a little over 6 hours. The extra scenes include lots of singing and... possibly a lot more singing.

Extra features include a Peter Jackson DVD commentary on his original DVD commentary as well as a documentary on "hobbit-on-hobbit manlove". Most excellent, but I'll be saving my cash for the 15 disk We-Shit-You-Not Seriously Absolute Definitive version due for release in December 2003. Details to be announced.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
16:06 / 22.11.02
I had no idea that there would be a special edition coming out three months after the first DVD...until I saw the advertisements for it on the original DVD. Which upset me quite a bit. "Hey, thanks a lot for buying this! Now make sure you buy the even better one that comes out in less than three months!" Bastards!

But I guess if they did actually announce that there would be two releases, then it's my own fault. I'm not really that upset anyway, I didn't pay for the first DVD...
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
16:35 / 22.11.02
Assessment: After seeing FotR in the theater, I was kind of, "Eh...that was pretty good." Didn't really have much of an overwhelming desire to see it again anytime soon. Since I've bought the special edition set, though, I've watched the movie twice (and will probably watch it again soon, since I seem to like it a great deal more w/each viewing), gone through a good deal of the special features w/increasingly rapt fascination, ordered all of the books (which, w/the exception of The Hobbit, I've never read), and am waiting fervently for The Two Towers. In short, the special edition has apparently made a slavering LOTR fan out of me. So, yes. Highly recommended and whatnot.
 
 
arcboi
18:08 / 22.11.02
I was most impressed with the film and I'm looking forward to checking out the longer version. I wonder if this isn't setting a precedent and that we'll see more examples of films released with additional footage on DVD in the future - not neccessarily as 'Deleted Scenes' either.
 
 
Rev. Wright
10:34 / 24.11.02
I was bowled over by teh special edition, and wished that it had been the original/first version I had seen, as my brain kept maiking my viewing jolt as it noticed the changes. A few further viewings should rectify this.
Not just added scenes but scenes were re-edited, to change the focus and tone of the movie. Did anyone else think that the colour saturation had been altered on this version, it seemed grittier.
The Shire sequence is still problematic, even with additional footage that healthily pads outs Bilbo Baggins and his kin. But once we get to the Prancing Pony the film gains its magnificence and rises above its previous form greatly.

The fight between Aragorn and the Orc leader/archer at the end was truly terrifying, re-edited to include quite frightening and intimidating shots of the monster. NICE.

Now I'm really moist for the next installment. See you on the next thread.
 
 
Rev. Wright
21:11 / 24.11.02
Special Edition download here
 
 
Kopi
14:10 / 01.12.02
Could someone please check for me and see if the bonus disc material is closed-captioned or subtitled? I want to buy it but if it's not CC then my boyfriend can't watch it with me, and I don't want to waste my money.

I'd ask others but everyone I've already asked keeps blowing me off.

*grumbles*
 
 
CameronStewart
14:38 / 01.12.02
Kopi, I just had a look and sadly the supplementary discs are NOT subtitled.

Aside from that, the 3 1/2 hour documentary on the fourth disc is amazing - I gained an entirely new appreciation for the film after seeing how much thought, detail and effort went into every shot.

I want one of those giant suits.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:11 / 02.12.02
Yes. Money. Worth it. Knew about it when I originally purchased the cinema edition, too. Not much of a secret.

A fucking thing of beauty and joy and brings out loads of the themes that Jack and Fly were originally going on about. I want to LIVE in Lorien. All docs sup-bloody-perb. A lot of love and obsession went into LOTR, which is just fantastic....it shows not only in the docs and in Jackson and his actors, co-writers, unit directors, producers and WETA! WETA! WETA! but also in the amount of time and energy spent in making the DVD as good as it is.

That Sean Bean scaling mountains 'cause he's too afraid to fly thing is priceless!

Star Wars: fuck right off.
 
 
Sebastian
18:43 / 26.02.03
Well, I guess this should fit here. Its part of the trivia stuff in the extended DVD release I found at amazon.com. Those LOTR book and movie freak fans that bought it should know it. Those even freakier like myself waiting to buy the three extended movie DVD will enjoy it.


It has just put Christopher Lee in the pantheon of my personal earthly gods. I don’t know what to say about Mortensen, but well, it was a long job.


Trivia about The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring (Platinum Series Extended Edition):
 Townsend, Stuart. was originally cast as Aragorn, but was replaced by Mortensen, Viggo after four days of shooting due to creative differences.
 Although Bowie, David was said to be keen on playing Elf Lord Elrond, the part went instead to Weaving, Hugo.
 Bloom, Orlando originally auditioned for the part of Faramir. He was called back and subsequently cast, instead, as Legolas.
 New Zealand's army was cast as extras for large battle scenes in the film, but was forced to back out due to having to serve as peacekeepers in East Timor.
 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001), Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002), and Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) were filmed simultaneously. The back-to-back shoot lasted a record-equaling 274 days, in 16 months - exactly the same time as taken for the principal photography of Apocalypse Now (1979).
 Hobbiton was filmed in the Hinuera Valley near Matamata, New Zealand. The village was constructed and plants and trees were planted a year before filming so the set had an aged look as though Hobbits had lived there for hundreds of years.
 For high-tech tasks, a computer program called MASSIVE made armies of CG orcs, elves, and humans. These digital creations could 'think' and battle independently - identifying friend or foe - thanks to individual fields of vision. Jackson's team could click on one creature in a crowd scene of 20,000 and see through his "eyes". Different species even boast unique fighting styles.
 It is reported that on the first run of the fight sequences using the MASSIVE Artificial Intelligence program, the intelligent fighters - programmed to fight in the most efficient manner possible - all turned and ran away. The WETA staff joked that they were the "smart fighters".
 The original cut ran four hours and thirty minutes.
 The hobbits needed to appear about three to four feet tall - tiny compared with the seven-foot Gandalf. This was often accomplished using forced perspective, placing McKellen, Ian (Gandalf) consistently closer to the camera than Elijah Wood in order to trick the eye into thinking McKellen is towering.
 In order to make "forced perspective" a bit more interesting, the filmmakers devised a totally new system consisting of a pulley and a platform. When the camera moved (which is normally impossible as the forced perspective would become obvious) the actor(s) also moved, and the perspective (7-foot Gandalf - 4-foot hobbits) would always be okay. They also used three differently sized props (large, medium, small) to interact with the different sized characters
 Viggo Mortensen lost a tooth while filming a fight sequence. He went to the dentist on his lunch break, had it patched up, and returned to the set that afternoon.
 More than 1,600 pairs of latex ears and feet were used during the shoot, each "cooked" in a special oven running 24 hours a day, seven days a week. There was no way of removing the feet at the end of the day without damaging them and so each pair could only be used once. The used feet were shredded to prevent a black market in stolen hobbit feet but apparently Monaghan, Dominic (Merry) kept a pair.
 During filming, Tyler, Liv left her pair of prosthetic ears on the dashboard of her car. When she returned they had melted.
 Dominic Monaghan (Merry), wore a fat suit made of foam. He drank three liters of water a day so he would not dehydrate.
 Astin, Sean gained 30 pounds for his role as Samwise.
 Viggo Mortensen did his own stunts. He also insisted on using only the real steel sword, instead of significantly lighter aluminum sword or safer rubber sword which were manufactured for battle scenes and stunts.
 Orlando Bloom (Legolas) did most of his own stunts and broke a rib in the process.
 Rhys-Davies, John (Gimli) developed an allergic reaction to his makeup.
 While filming the scene where Sam rushes through the river after Frodo, Astin, Sean stepped on a shard of glass that was sticking up from the riverbed. It pierced his foot, even through the prosthetic foot, which bled so much he had to be airlifted to hospital.
 The map Gandalf picks up in Bilbo's study is a reproduction of the map Tolkien drew for the book "The Hobbit".
 Lee, Christopher reads "The Lord of the Rings" once a year and is the only member of the cast and crew ever to have met Tolkien.
 As well as being the only member of the cast and crew to have met Tolkien face to face, Christopher Lee was also the first person to be cast in the trilogy because of his extensive knowledge of the books. He frequently visited the makeup department and often gave tips about the facial design of the monsters.
 Peter Jackson gave the ring used in the movies to Elijah Wood as gift when the shoot was finished.
 The three trolls which were turned to stone in "The Hobbit" are in the background during the scene where Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin, and Strider/Aragorn are resting after fleeing from Weathertop/Amon Sul.
 This film was the first recipient of The American Film Institute's Movie of the Year Award.
 Peter Jackson's two children are listed in the end credits as "Cute Hobbit Children".
 The original plan was to film "The Hobbit" starring Warwick Davis. But when Miramax balked at the $75 million dollar price tag Peter Jackson took it to New Line which gave him nearly $300 million to make the trilogy
 Ian McKellen based Gandalf's accent on that of Tolkien himself.
 Gandalf's painful encounter with a ceiling beam in Bilbo's hobbit-hole was not in the script--Ian McKellen banged his forehead against the beam accidentally, not on purpose. But Jackson thought McKellen did a great job "acting through" the mistake, and so kept it in.
 Viggo Mortensen (Aragorn), who is trilingual in English, Spanish, and Danish, requested the script be revised to let Aragorn speak more of his lines in Elvish.
 The Orc blacksmiths shown beneath Isengard are actually the WETA Workshop staff who made the weapons used in the film.
 The Elvish language lines spoken in the film are not just quotes from the book, they were derived from Tolkien's own limited dictionary of that language. Dialect coach Andrew Jack used actual recordings of Tolkien reading his books to guide the actors' pronunciation.
 Cameo (Lee, Alan (II)): Eighth of the human kings that receives a ring of power.
 The different colors of blue for the elves' eyes revealed what race they were. The Lothlorien elves had light blue eyes, and the Rivendell elves were dark blue.
 About 3,100 shots (78% of the Super 35 film) were color graded at Colorfront in Wellington, NZ using 5D Colossus software after being scanned by an Imagica XE scanner full 2K resolution (2048*1536). The color-graded shots were then recorded on Kodak 5242 intermediate film by two Arri Laser film recorders at 10 bits per channel. Because only 78% of the film was digital, a digitally squeezed anamorphic print could not be made for the whole movie. Instead, the digital shots were recorded on an inter-negative hardmatted at 1.77:1, intercut with the non-digital original negative (which had been color timed by The Film Unit, NZ), and printed to 2.39:1 anamorphic Kodak film using an optical printer at Deluxe, LA. Fuji 3519-D was used for release prints.
 On the film's first theatrical release, a story circulated (and was reported in the goofs section) that when Sam tells Frodo that he is now the farthest he has ever been from home, a car is visible driving by in the background (top-right corner of the screen). Arguments ensued. Some said it was smoke from a chimney, others said they saw the glint of sunlight reflected from the windscreen of a fast moving vehicle. In the version of the film released on DVD there is definitely *no* car, only chimney smoke and a one-frame flash of light which *could* conceivably be a car, but not in any sense that could be considered a goof. Jackson says (in the commentary track on the Extended DVD) that he looked at every frame on a computer and has never seen anything resembling a car and claims that it's nonsense (and certainly the original sighting remains unconfirmed by IMDb goof spotters). In the documentary of extended DVD version, John Gilbert, the editor, says that there was a car in the background, but they thought no-one would notice it. They got rid of it in the DVD version.
 Bilbo's cake caught fire as he was about to leave the party, but Ian Holm gamely finished the scene.
 Over 12.5 million plastic rings were made for the chain mail armors in the movie.
 Twenty of the 30 minutes of the unusually long credits at the end of the Extended Edition, are dedicated to listing the Charter Members of the Official Lord of the Rings Fan Club.
 The portraits hanging above the fireplace in Bag End are based on the likenesses of director Peter Jackson and producer Frances Walsh.
 Viggo Mortensen kept his sword with him at all times off set so that he could remain in character. He was questioned several times by police after reviewing his training sessions with the sword and being spotted by members of the public.
 When Frodo falls on the snow and loses the ring, a close-up of the ring with Frodo in the background is shown. In order to keep both the subjects focused, a giant ring (6 inches of diameter) was used.
 The scream of the Ringwraiths is actually Frances Walsh, the co-writer and co-producer of the film.
 One of the indistinct words that Gandalf whispers to the moth when he is trapped by Saruman is "Gwaihir", the name of the eagle that later rescues him from the tower.
 The cast often had to fly to remote shoot locations by helicopter. Sean Bean (Boromir) was afraid of flying and would only do it when absolutely necessary. When they were shooting the scenes of the Fellowship crossing the snowy mountains, he'd spend two hours every morning climbing from the base of the mountain to the set near the top, already dressed as Boromir. The crew being flown up could see him from their helicopters.
 Whilst filming the scenes on the River Anduin, Orlando Bloom and Viggo Mortensen were swept out of their boats.
 Peter Jackson originally contemplated having the character of Tom Bombadil, a character that was in the book but never made it to the movie, incorporated into a cameo scene in which the Hobbit's are walking through the forest and see a man with a feathered cap dart through the tree's, then they hear Tom singing and begin running through the forest, but ran out of time to film it
 Peter Jackson's original plan was to exclusively hire British actors for the roles of the hobbits. As it turned out, Billy Boyd and Dominic Monaghan were the only ones, and one of the tasks he charged them with was to coach Elijah Wood and Sean Astin in the ways of British pub culture.
 
 
arcboi
20:14 / 26.02.03
Thanks for flagging that up Sebastian - very interesting stuff.

Having now seen the extended version I think it's a better film for the additional scenes. The extra scenes are also flawless in how they've been incorporated (and I had trouble some of the time spotting them).

Looking forward to the extended version of The Two Towers.......
 
 
The Natural Way
11:27 / 27.02.03
....Wit' Eowyn hacking up the orcs in the glittering caves...

FIGHT!
 
  
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