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grant
18:32 / 08.11.02
Thanks to the sonic virus vectors at Radio 1190, I'm currently slipping deep into an obsession with The Mountain Goats and their new album, Tallahassee.
It's different from their (his?) older material only inasmuch as it's done in a studio and not on a home cassette rig.
Something about me, right now, is vulnerable to Mountain Goat infection - something about the direction of my thoughts today, which have been swirling around mortality and relationships and the future, and small towns and old friends and (as ever) the End Times, something in me is leaping along with these songs.
Especially listening to this one, here,... which is presented as part of this interview... where he talks about a show in Tallahassee where his fingers bled.

North Florida. Heartbreak. Rain. Memory. Road trips.

Music reads minds.

and then the old voice crackled through the static.
and i felt young and alive
and the hair stood up on the back of my neck
we were rising from the grave, yeah yeah.
 
 
rizla mission
14:07 / 09.11.02
I love the Mountain Goats too. I bought one of their records (The Coroner's Gambit) after hearing - funnily enough - "There Will Be No Divorce" on the radio and thinking it was one of the most beautiful songs I'd ever heard. (I've since put it on so many mix tapes it's untrue).

I'd assumed it was from some kind of obscure demo tape or something, and was quite staggered when I actually found the album in the shops without any difficulty.

Wonderful stuff, although this particular record seems a little *too* hung up on divorce and family breakdown in places - quite uncomfortable listening..
 
 
rizla mission
18:08 / 10.03.04
*!thread bump!*

I'm listening the new Mountain Goats album, "We Shall All Be Healed", and it's absolutely superb. Even better than "Talahassee", which was one of my favourite records of last year.

Basically, this album has all the catchy tunes and energy and, um, lyrical genius, for want of a better term, of previous MGs stuff, but John Darnielle has turned his attention away from troublesome relationships and personal problems and toward, er, well, really weird shit basically..

A recurrent theme seems to be an unspecified group of strange people hiding out in a hotel room or apartment becoming increasingly morbid and unhinged..

Send somebody out for soda,
Comb the carpet for clues,
Reflective tape on our sweat-pants,
big holes in our shoes..


There are also several songs that seem to feature a failed love affair, frightening scientific experiments and a strange fixation with Belgium..

the men were here to get your Belgium things,
they'll store them for you in a airplane hanger,
there's guys in biohazard suits,
mud caking on their rubber boots,
they've come to keep your pretty things from danger..


The overall theme of the album seems to be paranioa - there are frequent references to ghosts, graveyard nightmares, hidden secrets and sinister spying technology.. and this being the Mountain Goats, there are also a handful of gloriously off-kilter love songs to enjoy.

Oh, and there's a song about terminal illness and being a mole.

Worryingly, I read a review which suggested that, unlike previous sets of 'fictional' songs, this is supposed to be an autobiographical Mountain Goats album. The mind boggles.

Anyway, for some reason I've got the feeling that this is a totally 'barbelith' kind of album, and strongly urge those of you unfamiliar with the Mountain Goats work to fire up your various downloading machines, and get your hands on "Palmcorder Yajna", "Linda Blair Was Born Innocent" or "Letter from Belgium".
 
 
grant
18:38 / 10.03.04
"Palmcorder Yajna" is available for free download from Amazon.
 
 
HCE
22:20 / 10.03.04
Oh my god, a mountain goats thread! You wouldn't believe how hard a time I had getting anybody to go with me to see him play in LA. What on earth is wrong with people.
 
 
HCE
22:22 / 10.03.04
But you know Rizla, I think even this album is about relationships, about storytelling. Maybe less directly or explicitly.
 
 
bitchiekittie
00:55 / 11.03.04
ooh, I'm so excited, I was starting to think I was the only person who'd ever heard of the mountain goats who also liked them.

the first album I got was "all hail west texas", which I loved so much I ran right out and bought "tallahassee", which I thought was even better. recently I bought "beautiful rat sunset" which is ok, if you really like the mountain goats you'll like it well enough (which I do)...but I think somehow the girl's voice takes away from it a bit. I guess you get used to it being pretty much just him.

I also bought "ghana", which I listened to through my headphones on a crappy day walking in to work. the first song, "golden boy" was the perfect thing to cheer a girl up. it's lovely, in a light, fun way. the whole album is great, really, and I really enjoyed seeing him (them, actually, there was another man on stage briefly) play live. I rarely enjoy a performer equally on stage as well as recorded, but he's one of them.
 
 
HCE
18:11 / 14.03.04
I actually liked him even better live. The songs sounded so different, more of the humor came across, don't you think?
 
 
rizla mission
18:39 / 14.03.04
But you know Rizla, I think even this album is about relationships, about storytelling. Maybe less directly or explicitly.

Well, yes, I suppose so - but the stories being told on this record are considerably stranger and more obtuse than usual Also, a lot of the songs on the second half of the album are in the first person, dealing directly with personal feelings rather than (presumably) fictional stories and observations - I guess that's what the 'autobiographical' comment was getting..

I'm feeling quite evangelical about the Mountain Goats at the moment, and my heart is warmed by the fact that this thread hasn't immediately vanished again into the abyss. Hurrah to all you friends of the Mountain Goats.
 
 
chucklehound
21:46 / 24.03.04
as a very long-time mountain goats fan, i'm still having a hard time adjusting to the new, high-fidelity mountain goats. while talahassee was problematic (spending an entire album with the "alpha series" couple was draining; though, i think "no children" is one of the best things he's written), the new album rates among his best, i think. (not quite as good as "zopilote machine," "sweden," or "hot garden stomp", but better than those late 90's releases on ajax) "your belgian things" is great and "the pigs that ran straightaway into the water, triumph of" is the best full-band translation of an old-sounding mountain goats song i've heard.

he's always good live, though i've noticed an increased tendency lately to play more of the slower, more contemplative songs live, which don't always make for the best live show (much as i love "it froze me" i'm getting a little tired of hearing it at every show - though i think peter's harmonies on it are really nice) on the plus side, he's also showing an increased willingness to end his shows with furniture huschle covers, which sort of balances things out.

fred, i'm guessing you were at the same la show as i was. can you explain the people who talked through the whole show, then started screaming along to "the best ever death metal band out of denton" did that become a novelty hit without me noticing?
 
 
uncle retrospective
23:31 / 24.03.04
Riz gave me a cd with "the best death metal band out of Denton" on it and it's still going round my CD player. It's one great god damn song. I'm wondering weather to get more of his stuff. oh just read the last post.
er... hail satan!
 
 
rizla mission
10:51 / 25.03.04
It's just an immortally good song.
 
 
HCE
14:00 / 25.03.04
Chucklehound, yes, I was at the same show. I get rather murderous at shows, particularly at small ones. No reason for anybody who's not a fan to be at a smelly little box like that unless they want to hear the music, but inevitably some fucking cock will stand there flapping his gums throughout. The display was disgusting though of course the song is brilliant and one can see the anthemic appeal.

Speak no ill of Tallahassee! I hope you die -- I hope we both die.
 
 
HCE
01:34 / 22.05.04
Mountain Goats tour dates, of which I will be at these and urge those able to attend to do so:

5/28/04 Los Angeles, CA @ Spaceland
5/29/04 San Diego, CA @ Casbah

Am bringing new recruits, all of whom have been trained to chant 'Hail Satan' when the chorus kicks in.
 
 
rizla mission
14:43 / 22.05.04
I'm very sad that I've still not had the oppurtunity to experience the Mountain Goats live experience.

Good Luck.
 
 
grant
17:21 / 24.05.04
So what IS the new album about?

My baby daughter is kind of in love with the Palmcorder Yajna song and the final "Pigs Who Ran Away..." song.
 
 
rizla mission
09:13 / 25.05.04
I would have thought any self-respecting baby would be terrified by such demented songs, so, er, clearly a good early sign of.. something good, I would have thought.

I gather the album is supposed to be accompanied by some notes explaining it's general themes, but since my copy is a promo I haven't been able to read them. I find the strange mixture of subject matter on this record pretty fascinating though..

I still find the 'autobiographical' tag pretty baffling, but I think maybe what Darnielle is up to is mixing fact with fiction.

There's a definite thread running through the songs regarding the emergence of gangs of strange, misfit youth - I read another review that suggested this is based on Darneille's experiences growing up in the punk/new wave era.
But references to this are always mixed with other fantastical imagery - "The Young Thousands" salutes this group's emergence, but then veers off into visions of schizoid urban fear; "the ghosts that haunt your building/are prepared to take on substance". "Linda Blair Was Born Innocent" begins with the brave weirdos searching for love and adventure ("patches on our jeans") before complicating the story with subsequent verses that sound like the plot to a William Gibson book.
And as an extention of this, the crazed paranioa and pop-gothic imagery of "Palmcorder Yajna" and "Letter from Belgium" should speak for themselves; squats and hideouts full of weird youngsters drawn together in solidarity by their various mental imbalances - like Roger Corman's punk-exploitation film "Suburbia" rewritten by Philip K. Dick.

And the mysterious Belgium theme carries across to "Your Belgium Things", a song which is no less intriguing for the fact that it has fairly straightforward subject matter: the end of a marriage/love affair with somebody who was working in some form of weird and dangerous experimental science. And it's full of good examples of Darnielle's skill of merely hinting at the most abominable sounding things and leaving us to puzzle out the rest; "I saw the mess you left up in the east bedroom / a tiger's never gonna change it's stripes"; "I shot a roll of 32 exposures / my camera groans beneath the weight it bares".

Add the even more terrifyingly paranoid, and eerily truthful sounding, visions of "Mole" and "Against Pollution", and you've got to start thinking: if this is even vaguely autobiographical, John Darnielle must have led a pretty interesting and tormented life in between recording hundreds of songs and listening to millions of records.

I think it's the narrative aspect of The Mountain Goats that I like the best - listening to this album is like reading a really good book, but unlike the equally great 'Talahassee', it's the kind of book I'd immediately want to buy after reading the back cover blurb.

- Rizla, reading Mountain Goats studies at the University of West Texas.
 
 
rizla mission
09:18 / 25.05.04
All that and I haven't even mentioned "Home Again Garden Grove"! What a song! Every line hit like a hammer. Overtones of high school shootings..?
 
 
grant
19:58 / 25.05.04
Wow. I got the CD off Amazon, and don't recall any clarifying notes.

The basic impression I got was that it's a kind of James Le Carre-type story about a CIA operation. I mean, all the stuff about "You might not like Tate's methods - but you've gotta admit she's a real nice kid" seems right out of a spy novel, and the repeated references to Belgium and Quito make it seem like there's an international aspect to the operation.

At first, I thought it was about the Heaven's Gate cult or similar, and am not entirely convinced it's not.

Lemme get the disc cover and see what's written there...
OK, there's a small foldout -- basically larger version of the cover art (spliced shards of photo negatives) on one side, on the other (black) side, a similar but chunkier collage showing images of gravel, a dilapidated wooden structure, very texture-y.

There's a bulleted list in white type.

Because I'm home sick and don't have much better to do, I will here transcribe the list:

Bullet one: I let the mice chew throught the bandages. One of them was this brown and white mouse who approached the whole task with a wonderful sense of play. Sparkling little eyes lightheartedly intent on their work. Magnificent. Every little bit helps. I would lie there, in the boiling afternoon, watching the mice come and go, and I would think fondly of you.

And then an inset list: ALBUMS RECOVERED FROM THE TRAILER IN RIVERSIDE
Curtis Mayfield "Curtis/Live"
Lou Reed "Blondes Have More Fun" (bootleg, Australia 1974)
The Complete Recorded Works of Bad Company
Jerry Jeff Walker Self-Titled
Ready for the World "Long Time Coming"
(I'm not replicating the different typefaces used for artist & title... you get the idea.)

Bullet Two: I began to compile lists in my head. I remembered having read someplace that making lists was a way of calming the nerves. For me it only made things worse.

Inset list: Persons Thought to Have Disappeared Into The Cavalcade Of Monsters
Rosie
You
Me
Tracy in Portland
Emil

Bullet Three: I would reach for the telephone and then suddenly retract my hand as though I'd nearly grabbed hold of a snake. That was me: letting it slide. Watching unthinkable things on the stolen VCR hooked up through no small effort to the cheap bolted-down TV. Eating Milk Duds all day. Milk Duds and Charritos. And Royal Crown Cola in bottles. You could get it for cheap up at the Viva. For real.

Inset list: Champions of the World
Chavo Guerrero
Ox Baker
Al Madril
Eddie "the Continental Lover" Mansfield
Black Gordman

Bullet Four: In the great heat of the old motel I could feel the part of me that had been resisting the final disconnect beginning to wither. The kind of shrinking we practice turns us into invisible towers of strength. I'm sorry I brought you into this mess but I'm sorrier still that I'm not dumb enough to sink my arms in past the elbows. I have this sick feeling there's something really great just past the point of no return. Stupid, huh? I let the mice chew through the bandages. I sat back and let them go about their joyful business. Ripping and tearing. They were setting me free.

And then, instead of an inset list, there are the standard credits, recorded by, etc.
Cryptic tag: West side riders know how we hold it down.

Then the personnel list, and acknowledgements. These end with "All you people still out on the corner up there by 13th and Taylor near the Greenhouse, this one goes out to you with all the love that's in me.
"Brave young scavengers in your fabulous black jeans.
"Hold on.
"Hold on with both hands."

So... I dunno, maybe some kind of down-and-out paranoid trip?
 
 
rizla mission
09:21 / 26.05.04
Well that thickens the plot a little I suppose..

I like the espionage angle - that would certainly fit in with 'Mole' and 'Belgium Things' and the constant references to paranioa, hiding, cameras etc.

But given the gloriously non-sensical nature of the sleevenotes, I'm now thinking: is this album just revelling in it's own brand of gothic imagery? Maybe no one underlying narrative is intended, and he's just giving us fractured memorable images of stuff that doesn't fit together at all - like little trailers for films that don't exist, so we're invited to imagine them instead..
 
 
grant
15:53 / 27.05.04
I dunno -- there's so much repeated imagery (like Belgium and Quito both show up in two songs each) that it seems likely there's some kind of narrative, even if fractured.

We're all here, chewing our tongues off
waiting for the fever to break.

I definitely think a running theme is of mass delusion, or a group caught in its own crazy trip. Sort of aware they're nuts and somehow beyond the pale, but following it all to whatever end.

It's such an album album, you know? It works so well as a whole....
 
 
grant
16:32 / 27.05.04
Maybe a Situationist/anarchist/Maoist collective?

I've decided to google the "Champions of the World".

Chavo Guerrero, pro wrestler, "pride of El Paso"

Ox Baker, pro wrestler, cookbook author.

Al Madril, former tag-team partner of Chavo Guerrero, currently possibly a motorcycle racer in Southern California.

Eddie "the Continental Lover" Mansfield, pro wrestler (this topic thread shows up fourth when you google that name verbatim), "exposed" the secrets of wrestling in the early 80s, particularly the practice of "blading", which he demonstrated on 20/20.

Black Gordman, pro wrestler, like Chavo Guerrero, seems to have a Junior in the business.

These guys all seem to have been in the ring around 1979, give or take a couple years.
 
 
rizla mission
20:48 / 27.05.04
From the 4AD website:

Whereas most Mountain Goats records - like last year's "Tallahassee" - are entirely fictional, all of the songs on "We Shall All Be Healed" are based on people that songwriter John Darnielle used to know. This, perhaps, accounts for the nervous tension that crackles through the album, as well as the curious tenderness that surfaces from time to time.

....

John has created a microsite which will take you further into the world of the record.
 
 
grant
20:54 / 27.05.04
Weird, I was just about to post this link to the press release, which says the album is basically about the time a bunch of Darnielle's speed-freak friends set up camp in his apartment...

sketching out plans for their weekend and openly discussing how much they could make if they stole and sold his stereo. One of these people, responding either to the Muse or to the staggering quantities of methamphetamine in her bloodstream, sat down at John’s desk and wrote a bad poem in praise of a speed-metal band called Mercyful Fate. She pressed her ball-point pen so hard against the paper as she wrote that the words are still visible on the walnut desktop today. "Palmcorder Yajna" does not tell this story, but it comes from the same moment in time.



I think the idea is that all the songs are about specific people.

I'm also thinking the second "quito" i was hearing was something else.

Off to explore that other site now...
 
 
rizla mission
20:55 / 27.05.04
As you might well imagine, that site doesn't seem to provide many answers..
 
 
rizla mission
20:59 / 27.05.04
It's all a bit "House of Leaves" isn't it?
 
 
grant
13:24 / 28.05.04
Actually, I now think it's a Hunter Thompson-esque drug-fueled madness narrative, only instead of one unreliable narrator, you've got six or so.

And I'm favoring the interpretation that "Belgian things" are either drugs or else goods for making drugs. Meth in particular (given the reference in the above press release, and the general up-all-night doomed paranoia tone). So instead of the CIA, they've turned into a bunch of artists who happened to get together and either assemble a meth factory or else set up a drug ring.

chewing our tongues off...

someone in an alley with a chain...

So when they come to take away the Belgian things, that'd be the bust, see? And the "I Am a Mole" bit is one of 'em trying to find out if there's any left or whatever from the person who got busted.*

Weird.

If you go to the Mountain Goats' home page (I'm pretty sure it's linked up top there), you can find a link to an mp3 of what Darnielle described as his only "personal" song - it's about a teenager leaving his home & abusive dad (running away?) with a bottle of whisky in his overcoat pocket and not knowing where to go next.

So, if you take that bit of autobiography, and then stick this album after it, you get a pretty typical teen drifter/runaway story from the late 70s, only told better.

*added after a think: possibly it's a Darnielle first-person song about ratting the kids out to the cops.
 
 
grant
01:24 / 29.05.04
Just got this reply to a comment I made on LJ when I learned that my friend Merle (who jacks himself into all kinds of social matrices) had just bought the Mountain Goats shots after a San Francisco gig a couple nights ago:

The new album is largely about a group of friends and their drugs. I saw the Goats while they were working on the album and also on the latest tour. Both times John made comments to the effect that the album was full of songs about people in love-with their drugs. He also said most songs are based on people he knows, which is a change.

So, there's some (anonymous) confirmation.

Two other comments on the same LJ entry, about the merch table:

Are they still the hott brown ones with the hypodermic syringes on the front and fake tour dates on the back? That design might be my favorite single band shirt ever.

with the reply

These are light blue and have tombstones.

I woulda liked me a syringe shirt (esp. in a less dainty size).
 
 
rizla mission
11:21 / 29.05.04
Sounds like the thing to wear this summer.

So basically we're talking about a collection of largely unrelated and semi-truthful teen/drug/breakdown/violence vignettes?

A little disappointing in some ways, although obviously the songs are still fantastic. A big story would have been cool.
 
 
grant
15:23 / 29.05.04
I'm still convinced it's an actual history of a sequence of events - Your Belgian Things is followed too elegantly by I Am A Mole.

My next question is if Claremont and Chino are prisons....
 
 
chucklehound
18:58 / 01.06.04
there is a sizeable prison in chino (along with reasonably priced tract homes, farm fresh eggs, and convenient access to the 60 freeway). claremont has no prison, but is two towns over from chino, so i've assumed that the narrator on "pigs.." is from claremont and is hoping to either escape/hide out in his hometown, or is hoping for some sort of house arrest sentence.

possibly worth noting that john is, to a large degree, from claremont. not sure if it's worth noting that peter (his bassist for the past while) is from chino, but that is the case
 
 
grant
13:21 / 02.06.04
Weird.

I just looked up Chino on Google -- it's the halfway point on a line going northwest from Anaheim to Rancho Cucamonga.

"I come from Chino, so all your threats are empty."

Hmm. I was kind of assuming the subtext was "I'm a hard man, I'm from Chino, so you don't fuck with me."

I don't know enough about LA geography to tell how ridiculous this becomes when said about a place in San Bernadino.
 
 
HCE
19:16 / 14.09.04
NY fans, please join me for this show:

Knitting Factory calendar link

Thank you.
 
 
grant
16:56 / 18.05.05
New album out means new radio appearances!

Including this interview on NPR's Weekend Edition. There are a few songs on the page, but my favorite is the last one they do during the interview, around seven minutes in.

Oh, so nice.
 
 
HCE
19:38 / 03.12.06
old skool tmg

Secret show last night at Pitzer. Most enjoyable. He tends to overwhelm and really rock you out at shows, but this one was much more quiet and relaxed, perhaps because he was playing to two hundred stoned art school kids. With his songs sometimes you get the feeling he doesn't write them, he just writes them down.
 
  

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