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God of concrete, god of steel

 
 
grant
18:19 / 06.11.02
OK, kids, I got it in my head to record a version of this classic Anglican hymn, "God of Concrete, God of Steel," despite never having heard it.
I've found the words (after much searching) online, but have yet to turn up a copy of the music.
Anybody know how it goes? Can you hum a few bars? Send me some sheet music or sound files?

Couldja? Couldja??
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
18:34 / 06.11.02
Oh, how marvellous. I bet it goes to something like 'God of Mercy, God of Grace' though - they don't make hymn tunes like they used to.

Bad hymns... this one always makes me chuckle:

What though in solemn silence all
Move round the dark terrestrial ball?
What though no real voice nor sound
Amid their radiant orbs be found?
In reason’s ear they all rejoice
And utter forth a glorious voice,
Forever singing as they shine,
“The hand that made us is divine.”

How can anyone sing that with a straight face? What was Addison thinking of? I love the age of Reason...
 
 
Jack Fear
19:13 / 06.11.02
You've stumped my usual online sources, you bastard.

Best I can find is that the lyrics are sung to one of two tunes--MINTERNE or SPANISH CHANT. I can't find MIDIs for either online, though.

I'll have a look through my print resources tonight.

Technically, though, you could substitute any tune that's got a 77.77.77 meter.

Or you could record When Through the Whirl of Wheels, instead.
 
 
grant
20:40 / 06.11.02
Yeah, I found that "Minterne" reference in the Salvation Army hymnbook, but have no idea how it goes.
I'm very tempted to write my own music, but am really quite lazy, and like the idea of keeping the song of praise as whole as possible before filtering it through my sensibilities.

I couldn't sing
When in the depths the patient miner striving
Feels in his arms the vigor of the Lord,
Strikes for a kingdom and his King’s arriving,
Holding his pick more splendid than the sword.

without thinking of Billy Bragg, which would throw me off, I fear. The music is quite stirring, for MIDI.

That Psalm XIX hymn is fun, but doesn't have the technological frisson I feel so drawn to.

What do all them metric numbers refer to? I brought up the page and can't tap my foot the same to the Haydn as to the Vene Sancti Spiritus.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:25 / 07.11.02
I used to sing this at primary school, but have no way to communicate how it is sung, I fear. The penulatimate line is unduly melodramatic, though.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
12:25 / 07.11.02
Hah! Grant - -nice one. This is hilarious. I remember singing this round a fire at a cub scout ‘father and son’ camp.

I also remember pissing myself laughing at the crazy lyrics.

Funny, cos now I having nothing but respect for the wordsmith.

‘God of piston and of wheel’ – I love that.

Sfuckin better than Alan Moore that is!
 
 
Jack Fear
12:47 / 07.11.02
The metric numbers simply refer to the number of syllables in a line, and the number of lines in a stanza. 77.77.77 = six lines of seven syllables apiece. Whereas "Joyful Joyful We Adore Thee," a.k.a the big theme of Beethoven's 9th symphony, is 87.87.87.87, or eight lines per stanza, alternating eight and seven syllables per line:

Joyful, joyful, we adore thee
God of Glory, Lord of Love:
Hearts unfold like flow'rs before thee,
Op'ning to the Sun above!
Melt the clouds of sin and sadness,
drive the dark of doubt away:
Giver of immortal gladness,
fill us with the light of day!

In classic hymnody, the words and music were almost always written separately. There's a sort of standard canon of tunes from various sources, usually indexed by meter: when a lyricist would devise a set of words, he would sometimes have a specific tune in mind, and sometimes not. That's why some hymns will be listed with two or more different tunes, and many, many tunes have more than one set of lyrics. I can think of three songs offhand that use the Beethoven's 9th (HYMN TO JOY 87.87.87.87, as you'll find it in the hymnal.

The metrical numbers are also (theoretically) interchangeable: that is, if you've got a particular text that you want the congregation to sing, but they don't know the tune well, you can have them sing that text to another tune in the same meter. Say, for instance, you want to use the hymn "Alleluia, Alleluia, Let the Holy Anthem Rise" at Easter--but the tune (HOLY ANTHEM 87.87.87.87) skips around too much for your congregation to follow. They are familiar with HYMN TO JOY, though, so you substitute these words...

Alleluia! Alleuia!
Let the Holy An-them rise
And the choirs of Heaven chant it
in the temple of the skies!
Let the mountains skip wi-hith gladness
And the-huh joyful valleys ring
With hosannas in the highest
To our Saviour annnnnnnnnnd our King!

It's not a perfect fit, as you can see; but it increases the number of texts available to you if you've got a congregation of limited ability or a choir without much rehearsal time.

So what I'm sayin' is, you could sing "God of Concrete" to same tune as "For the Beauty of the Earth" (DIX)--or to any other 77.77.77 tune--and still be in the fine old tradition.

This was all totally alien to me when I started doing church music seriously, five years ago: now it's second nature. When I hear an old familiar hymn, I tend to think of it by the tune name rather than the title.
 
 
grant
20:05 / 07.11.02
No luck finding "Minterne" then?
 
 
grant
20:06 / 07.11.02
You saint of New England?
 
 
Jack Fear
20:13 / 07.11.02
Nope. The tune, she eludes me... a free version, anyway: the British music publishers Stainer & Bell have a CD-ROM with over 12,000 tunes (!), MINTERNE among them. It's only available in the UK, though, and ludicrously expensive to boot.

Your best bet is catching a flight to the Great White North and stealing a hymnal from a parish of the Church of Canada.
 
 
grant
01:08 / 08.11.02
I know I've seen the hymn in a hymnal at a very odd little church on Lincoln Road in Miami Beach (it's hard to describe just how odd it is that there's a church there at all - it's as if they transplanted a miniature Spanish Mission into a largely-gay international shopping mall)... I can't remember if it had music or not, but I may have to drive the hour and a half to find out.
 
 
grant
15:29 / 08.12.05
Ha!

Spanish Chant midi!

And here, with a harmony arrangement!

It took years... but success is finally mine!

Still can't find Minterne, though.

Hmm. I wonder. I had a drummer who did church music and was geeky over music history....
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:35 / 08.12.05
Used to sing this in primary school. Wouldn't know how to start describing it, though, and I fear my old hymnbook is long gone...
 
 
Jack Fear
16:47 / 08.12.05
MINTERNE is indeed proving damned elusive. Even that Church of Canada lead proves to be a dead end: the F.R.C. Clarke melody used in the 1971 Canadian hymnal is neither SPANISH CHANT nor MINTERNE, but a newly-composed tune, CONCRETE, herein described as "radical" and "shocking[ly] dissonant".

Curioser and curioser.

I'd say go with SPANISH CHANT, myself—or, for a giggle, DIX: there's something about setting those lyrics to the tune most associated with "For the Beauty of the Earth" that makes me grin.
 
 
grant
17:26 / 08.12.05
You know, one of those 77.77.77 hymns on that MIDI site bears a remarkable resemblance to "Rock of Ages." I don't think that particularly works with these words -- and the idea of dissonance in a hymn really, really pleases me.
 
 
grant
18:18 / 08.12.05
I just wrote to the professor who presented that paper on CONCRETE.

Some days, they should really just slice my network cable in two.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:20 / 08.12.05
You know, one of those 77.77.77 hymns on that MIDI site bears a remarkable resemblance to "Rock of Ages."

That would be the amusingly-named TOPLADY, yeah? Dude, that is "Rock of Ages." That's how it works.
 
 
grant
18:50 / 08.12.05
How strange - if you look up the list a ways, you see "Rock of Ages" under a different meter.
 
 
William Sack
15:30 / 09.12.05
Grant, please put the fruits of your labour online when you finish. I have to say that I was hearing Judas Priest as I was reading the abstract, the first half of it at least.
 
 
SMS
15:33 / 11.12.05
Grant, I checked around and I have a friend who has a relative in Canada who has this song. I should be in possession of it soon and will pass it along to you if you don't have it already.
 
 
grant
20:02 / 12.12.05
Ooo! OOoo! OOOOooo!

No reply from the professor yet, so yes! Yes!
 
 
alas
20:46 / 12.12.05
It reminds me of the fourth verse of a 20th century Lutheran hymn,"Earth and All Stars":

Engines and Steel! Loud pounding hammers!
Sing to the Lord a new song!
Limestone and beams! Loud building workers!
Sing to the Lord a new song!
(refrain) He has done marvelous things.
I, too, will praise him with a new song!

And then v. 5--
Classrooms and labs! Loud boiling test tubes!
Sing to the Lord a New Song!
Athlete and band!
Loud cheering people!
Sing to the Lord a new song! (refrain)


That's a 457 457 + refrain song

The "Concrete" song is certainly singable to that old classic 77 77 77 tune, "Fred til Bod"...
 
 
Jack Fear
21:33 / 15.12.05
One more for the mix: My son attends a parochial preschool at a church not our own, and while at a Christmas party in their church hall I checked a stray hymnaland sure enough, there was "God of concrete," set to yet another tune, RATISBON.

Layers upon layers... not unlike, well, concrete.
 
 
grant
12:51 / 06.01.06
Consummatum est.

I have the music. I made an mp3 file and stuck it on my blog. Now, to learn how to sing the thing.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:38 / 06.01.06
....yeah, I'd call that radical and dissonant.
 
 
grant
17:42 / 06.01.06
The more I listen to it, the more it sounds like it should be sung by the radioactive mutants in Beneath the Planet of the Apes, which in a way was just what I wanted it to be.

Go-hod of CONcrete! Goood of steeeeel!

One of the shortcomings of the software I was using is that I couldn't get it to do slurs between notes, but that really shouldn't matter with a keyboard sound anyway.

That descending "God of girder, god of beam" line actually has a kind of medieval sound to it.

I'm just reveling in this thing. It's so consistent!
 
 
*
20:15 / 06.01.06
I really want to hear this sung, as I always have trouble following the vocal line in formats like this. You're right, grant, I'm totally in awe.
 
 
Broomvondle
21:00 / 06.01.06
Groovy...how about putting in some metronome clicks to add to the mechanical feel.
 
 
kowalski
21:32 / 06.01.06
What wonderful syncronicity that you would revive this thread the same day I relaunched my website, which has nothing to do with Anglican hymns, but much, MUCH, to do with concrete and steel, piston and steam, sequence and design.

www.vanishingpoint.ca

[Since you put this in Conversation, not Temple, I guess it's par for the course if I derail -- i mean, expand on -- things, eh?]
 
 
grant
01:50 / 07.01.06
It's a .ca domain, so of course it's on topic.

I'm still intending to do a vocal version with drums and stuff. I don't know if I'll use that electronic melody track or not.
 
 
grant
13:54 / 09.10.06
My blog entry just brought me an email from http://www.godofconcrete.org/.

Oh, yes.
 
  
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