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Nightmares Inc.

 
 
KnofC
21:04 / 02.11.02
Okay then. well this is a plea for ideas on what the hell i should do. So, i keep having these nightmares, real bad ones that 'spill over' into reality. I'll wake up in the night sweating and shaking with the horror still very much with me. all the shadows are 'alive', shapes keep moving in the corner of my vision etc. This then carries over into the day, though to much less of a degree, and generaly makes me not want to go to sleep at all.

To begin with i considered doing a whole load of banashings, sigils or what ever else i could think of to stop this hell. However throughout the day i keep getting the message 'listen' from all sorts of coincidental stuff, over heard conversations, license plates, graffiti and the like.

so i've been trying to listen, not just with my ears, but with my whole being, waiting for that certain vibration you get when you've hit on the right course.

but it's just not happening. I'm all out of ideas, and getting all worn out and broken down

i'm just wondering if anyone has any ideas. I mean, i guess that i'm supposed to be figuring out what these dreams are trying to tell me, so i guess that i can't do anything to get rid of them directly. After all nightmares and dreams are stuff thrown to you by your sub-conscience, so getting rid of the symptoms won't cure the disease.

I'm not at all versed in any form of dream magicks, and not particularly well versed in practical magick either

well, there you go. Help me? Pretty please?
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
21:55 / 02.11.02
Assuming you are being serious Fetch, I would suggest:

1) Read the art of dreaming by Carlos Castaneda. Highly reccomended. From there you will learn dream control and how to deal with the issues you face during slumber.

2) Do some research on meta programming the brain. Nothing fancy, the easiest method I have found is suring the time between wake and when you fall asleep...THE TWILIGHT ZONE...review what you have been dreaming about and alter it during that state of no mind.

3) Dreamcatrcher. Crystals. A glass of water on the headboard.

Couldn't hurt.

Re:XXX
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
21:58 / 02.11.02
4) PS!!! Some form of divination (preferably Tarot or, though I shy away from it, a Ouija board) to help you "listen" to the message.
 
 
000
23:17 / 02.11.02
Fetch,

This is assuming that it's the positive beings affecting you: The most important thing to do, is not to go nuts trying to figure out what they want you to listen to. These types of messages are usually stored somewhere, so that when you are confronted with whatever these beings are telling you about, you will know. If you try to control these messages, you will muddle them up. Let them happen naturally.

Now, and I speak from experience, never fear. Fear feeds the negative beings (paralysis) and fear makes one susceptible for manipulation.

Do some of your body parts twitch before going to sleep? Does your eye ever twitch?

Are the shadows in any way cold, can you feel them inside your body?

To receive the clearest messages, you need to be in rest - so getting worn out and broken down isn't the way forward.

Sharing insight with friends is always helpful, getting someone to stay over is even better, if you are scared.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:31 / 03.11.02
Assuming this isn't some collosal windup, Fetch:

Journaling may be your friend here. Keep a dream diary. You might also want to keep an ordinary journal to record anything that could be a contributing factor to your nightmares: stressful experiences, foodstuffs, recent magickal activity, what if any recreational drugs you've been consuming lately (I'd class booze as a recreational drug).

Have a Google around and try to find a grounding visualization or ritual that suits you.

Avoid going to sleep on your back. Sleeping on your back makes you more prone to sleep paralysis (I don't know why, but it does).

Be aware that sleep-deprevation will alter your perceptions and can even cause hallucinations. Your descriptions sound a lot like the effects of sleep-deprevation to me: "all the shadows are 'alive', shapes keep moving in the corner of my vision etc."

It might not be a bad idea to get a medical checkup, just to rule out any physical cause.
 
 
KnofC
15:10 / 03.11.02
thank you for your advice, and i am sorry that you feel that i'm pulling your collective legs. it's rare that i post here, and as such you guys don't know me to well this i understand, but i have always respected your advice which is why i ask questions about stuff which i doubt anyone else will listen to or understand.

i guess that it could be seen as a joke, but considering most of the stuff that you talk about it suprises me that you perhaps don't believe me.

still, i'll put into practice what you have suggested and keep y'all updated on what happens. Perhaps in this way we'll get aquainnted better, stop being such a ghost and more of a member.
 
 
KnofC
18:50 / 03.11.02
sorry guys, just a bit of a rant there.

no offence, don't want to alienate myself, i kinda like it here

apologies,

fetch
 
 
ciarconn
00:00 / 04.11.02
Just one question: Any poersonal events that happened before the nightmares started? Something that might have awakened dormant things in the inconscioussness?
 
 
Sebastian
01:22 / 04.11.02
Some power is fetching you.
 
 
The Falcon
02:18 / 04.11.02
Some power is felching you.
 
 
illmatic
12:20 / 04.11.02
Hi Fetch

Following Ciarconn, I'd have to why you're having recurring nightmares> The listen messages might be listne to your dreams or the reasons behind them. This thread: http://www.barbelith.com/underground/topic.php?id=8781
is about the same topic.

I'd suggest perhaps some exercise - swimming is good for deep sleep and exercise is just hell, good anyway for sorting yourself out in all sorts of way. You might want to have a look around for some relaxation exercises which will probably help you sleep better, get rid of stress etc. Anything where you tense muscle groups, release relax and so on. You could just try doing this from your toes up.
(BTW, I tend to do these early evening which is about when I'd have a catnap anyway - if I do them much later I tend to fall asleep and then I'm up all night. But that's just my body clock.)
 
 
illmatic
12:24 / 04.11.02
Sorry that should have read "I'd have to ask". Hope the advice in other thread helps.
 
 
Sebastian
12:52 / 04.11.02
Honestly, I've been staring at the screen and I can't come up with anything worthy of writing. Sorry bub, but from this side of the monitor you're just some guy having nightmares, and there are so many approaches to magick as magickians are and have been in the human specie, that's probably why the responses to your initial post have been so general. I can say that, yes, some power is stalking you, it could be some power you have abdicated, or you have gone through certain critical threshold and now you have to take responsibility for new powers you might have outlooked, but this is shamanic rubbish of course. It may ring a bell, but you have to check where exactly it is ringing. Its like paying taxes, you know, as you progress you have to pay more, if you don't, then the dream patrol is going to come and knock you off your bed until you pay.

Anyway, if you really want to make them stop, I am on Mord@nt's and Illmatic's practical side. My take would be -and for goddam's sake tell us whatever actually happened because we are intrigued-, I was saying, my take would be: hang around with people you want to hang around, arrange that meeting you've been postponing, even if its been for years, go out, make the call, enjoy some company you've been depriving yourself of, or at least take the initial step towards it, even if its impossible to actually meet, make a concrete signal to the universe that you are on the track: go pick up the phone. Stop what you are reading at the moment, whatever it is, for a couple of days only, go read a book or see a movie that makes you laugh in your own healthy laughing way, share it with someone if possible, and especially if it is something you already know will enrich you. If you are doing sports, try a different one for the occasion, if you are not, start any for the fun of it. This is sort of a quick and superficial brain washing to get disconnected from whatever psycho-magnetic-neuro-immuno-endocrinal state you are that is facilitating the nightmares. Even more powerful: go see small children, infants, less than five years old, if there are any in your family, and especially if they aren't into pokemon crap yet, spend time with them, take them out for an ice-cream, take them to the park, or just spend a whole afternoon with them playing in their room's floor. Try to temper a tantrum. Stay for supper if possible and feed them. If some baby vomits on your clothes his just ingested and barely digested food, the better. By this time you should be quite another guy from the one who is having nightmares, and if any baby vomited on you then you'll smell different also.

Remember, whatever is objectively discarded, easily becomes subjectively discarded (paraphrased from Prometheus Rising), so stop talking to people about the nightmares you are having if you'be been doing so, and if they ask, tell them they are finally over. If you wake up with a feet on dream-land just go on with whatever you do for a living, arrange yourself to look the best you can look, and get out to the streets, order a coffe, smile to the waitress, and ask how her day is going. In short, forget about the shitty nighmares in any situation you are.

Lastly, and most important, increase the number of hours you are sleeping. Don't go to sleep the minute you feel like falling on the floor, go to bed while you are still fresh, suspend whatever it was you were planning to do, going to bed is more important, and get to sleep eight hours minimum (assuming you are sleeping less). If you picked and actually did any of the general ideas from above, you should have different things in mind and overally you should feel different by the time you get to bed. Remember, this is sort of a mini vaccation from your usual behaviors to catch on some air, I do not suggest you keep sleeping all this amount of hours, but the effects will be noticeable as you charge up. You'll know when to go back to your agenda, and, actually it will not be going back.
 
 
ciarconn
13:31 / 04.11.02
I am REALLY serious about what I am going to recommend you:

HUG a tree. Ask Him for help with your dreams.

Do it at least once a day. Try to make the tree your friend
 
 
Seth
12:15 / 05.11.02
Mordant and Mr Illmatic are wise people. Listen to them.

In the case of nightmares, I'd usually council working through them with a journal, being particularly honest with yourself. However, the intensity of the experiences that you've described indicate that perhaps some outside help is required. The difficulty is in finding someone that you trust enough and who has the requisite skill level to help you piece together what you're going through.
 
 
primaeval soup
17:00 / 05.11.02


Ahh, I haff noticed zat you perhaps have committed zee Freudian Slip, ja?

Fetch: After all nightmares and dreams are stuff thrown to you by your sub-conscience

Ze phrase zat you were meaning to say vas “sub-conscious”, no?

Perhapps du hast ein guilty, guilty mind, I am thinking.

Or perhaps it is zimply deine super-ego zat is causink you all off these night-mares.

Ze super-ego is (in klinical terms) a good-for-nothink mutterfuckink pain-in-ze-arse, Fetch. Shoot zat fukker dead, iss maybe my preskription!
 
 
Rev. Jesse
18:33 / 05.11.02
I recommend that you make sure you are going to bed and getting up at the same time each day. A regular sleep cycle will dramatically reduce the occurrences of nightmares. In addition, you should avoid foods within two hours of going to bed to avoid nightmares. Exercising everyday will also help to establish a regular sleep pattern.

These steps should dramatically reduce your nightmares. As many nightmares are caused by an irregular sleep schedule or irregular sleep, I would recommend doing this before messing around with the mumbo-jumbo stuff.

You may also wish to consider your sleep area, has anything changed in it recently (in bed, pillows etc) or has someone started keeping you up at night? If something has changed, you may want to examine that as the cause of the nightmares, either because it is keeping you from getting a good night’s sleep or for other reasons.

You mentioned sigils as well, keep in mind those are designed to work over a longer period of time (as is most magic) so if you want to start sleeping better now, a magical and/or psychological approach may not be the first step. Magical protections and psychological self-training is good in the long term, but for an immediate result, I recommend immediate physical solutions.

Naturally, if this is adversely affecting your life, you may wish to speak with a doctor as well, perhaps a neurologist as well as a psychologist.

Good luck Fetch!

-Jesse
 
 
cusm
20:03 / 06.11.02
As an additional bit of superstition to mess with, try pointing your bed in a different direction. Chinese Feng Shui has a lot on cardinal directions, and the direction your head points while you sleep is told to have a great affect on one. At the least, don't point your head at your door, that's all sorts of bad mojo.

From a more mystical standpoint, it does sound like you've attracted some unwanted attention. I'll repeat the best advice I've seen here on that: don't fear. If you can face the shadows without fear, they will cease to torment you, and you might just find out what its all about. Be sure in your heart that they can not hurt you, and this faith is your best defense.
 
 
Son of the Soil (aka Joe Dirt)
20:58 / 06.11.02
mate, just turn your head o the north and you'll be fine
 
 
illmatic
10:44 / 07.11.02
Cusm: Just a note: I thought it was interesting that your advice, although, as you state, is given from a more mystical/magickal perspective, it's interesting that it's not dissimilair to that that would be given from a more conventional psychological perspective.
 
 
cusm
14:39 / 07.11.02
Funny that, eh? Different paradigms, same goals.
 
 
Sebastian
15:21 / 07.11.02
Okay Fetch, how're things going?
 
 
FinderWolf
21:22 / 18.11.02
Yeah, Fetch, how are things? I sincerely hope all is well -- sending you good vibes. Please let us know - I don't think you're pulling our leg and I don't think there's any danger of you 'alienating' yourself here -- your posts all read normal to me. Don't be shy, tell us what's going on. Peace to you --
 
 
Sebastian
11:00 / 21.11.02
Oh, well, another guy who comes and asks, and then is probably devoured but whatever was hunting him. I knew we couldn't do a thing about this, but still we had to write something. Anyway, I wish you are all well.
 
  
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