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20:44 / 02.11.02

hey all. so i'm gonna take a pill and dance the night away but i need lots of advice. How much water should i take? is it o.k to drink alcohol? what are good locations on the web that will give me all the info i need? cheers

uncle retrospective

20:58 / 02.11.02

Ok Sean, I assume this is going to be your first time pilling cause your asking so the best thing is to take things easy.
Your better off starting without beer. (as you come up it'll start to taste like shit anyway) Being pissed on pills sends you sideway and can leave you standing on the dance floor rolling your eyes and gurning, which isn't pretty.
As for water, if your thirsty, sip water, small mouthfulls will do, drinking too much water can make you sick or just make you feel ill.

But dance up a storm for us.

23:05 / 02.11.02

Be around people you know and trust.

01:19 / 03.11.02

Eat some hash about two hours after coming up, add an hour on to this for every additional pill youi take - Don't take more than ten though.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

07:53 / 03.11.02

Make sure it's music you already like, too, otherwise you'll horribly embarrass yourself by dancing like a maniac to something all your friends know you despise with a passion.

And the most important one- have fun.

13:53 / 03.11.02

ok so im changing the drug here but i could also do with some advice. I was recently at a party where i got kinda drunk, then i got stoned. The thing is lot's of my friends are telling me that when you get stoned and drunk you get sick and it's like taking E's. I'm just wondering if this is true as i was fine. I'm kinda at the experimentation stage right now and so far have tried resin, weed and salvia. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

14:05 / 03.11.02

Being stoned and drunk is nothing like ecstasy. Unless your friends are getting absolutely bizarre pills...

Tryphena Absent

14:18 / 03.11.02

If you get stoned and drunk then it can be like taking a pill that's been cut with ketamine and not speed. Personally I don't like those but some people prefer them. When you come up make sure you're in the kind of position you want to be in for the rest of the night... if you're lying down you'll probably want to just stay lying down for the rest of the night. If you want to dance make sure you're not sitting down when the pill takes effect.

16:24 / 03.11.02

You can definitely get sick from combining pot and alcohol if you're not a regular smoker, but it all depends on the order, as it only happens if you get stoned after you've been drinking. If you smoke first then no problem. Carve these words on your brain:

Grass and beer you're in the clear.
Beers and grass you're on your arse.

uncle retrospective

16:41 / 03.11.02

Grass and beer you're in the clear.
Beers and grass you're on your arse.
That is beautiful.
Oh, keep away from pills cut with ketamine, they feel horrible and if your planning to do some dancing they'll stop you dead in your tracks.
Horse Tranqs. Just say NO!

17:19 / 03.11.02

Yeah, I've had acquaintances frothing on the floor with K cut pills. Not nice; rubbish, mongy.

Didn't think of that. You can have a couple of pints, then grass, but I'd say it was ill-advised if you are minging drunk - at which time it'll naturally seem like a great idea to smoke a rafter.

17:27 / 03.11.02

what's that other one?

beer before wine: you're fine.
wine before beer. oh dear.

The Return Of Rothkoid

20:57 / 03.11.02

I always thought it was "Cones and beer, you're in the clear/beers and cones - you're on your own."

But that could be me.

And yeah. Pills. And alcohol. Try not to mix them. Sage advice from a fried-head Friday night. You'll probably feel less like a horse has stepped on your head if you nix the alcohol.

Make sure you do something happy the next day. Or have something low-impact (or, more of the same) to do - I get terribly depressed after pills, which is maybe why I've only done them a couple of times.

uncle retrospective

21:19 / 03.11.02

Oh, and have a few beers. Nothing will pick you up on the day after.

22:07 / 03.11.02

A rafter will.

01:30 / 04.11.02

Probably too late, but Erowid will set you straight on drug info.

16:04 / 04.11.02

Definitely beers for the comedown. Wise wise advice there. Lubricates the dried up brain and relaxes the vice clamped around your head. And what else are you gonna do all day when you can't sleep or do anything constructive?

Regarding pills with k in them, I've had them a couple of times and quite liked them really, though it probably depends on the amount of k in them. Just enough so you can't feel your body and basically can't communicate but not enough to actually black out or anything, though I've been close. But if you like being extremely wasted and just floating in space all night long then they're pretty nice. Though I s'pose if that's what you were after then you wouldn't be buying ecstasy. But I do know folks who prize their k pills.

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09:32 / 05.11.02

K is fun as long as you're expecting it. It's the expecting an E and getting K that can knock you sidewides, since K causes a whole shed-load of confusion at the best of times.

13:11 / 05.11.02

Did you have fun, Sean? Do tell; I love the initition culture that's grown up around Ecstasy.

Goodness Gracious Meme

17:06 / 05.11.02

Bengali's comedown kit:

a comfy space - bed/sofa/duvets
bottle red wine
jug iced water
*plenty* of gear
plenty of chocolate
plenty of time to sleep

works for me every time I manage to set it up, and I get the mildest comedowns of anyone I know...

17:18 / 05.11.02

Red wine? On a comedown? Hurties.

What you want is nice bubbly rejuvenating lager.

And tunes. Lots of them. It's the silence that gets you when your mind is turning over and over. Need that musical focus so you can just bob your head for hours until your thoughts begin to point in the same direction again.

08:43 / 06.11.02

Slightly off-topic, but as the thread is titled "Drug advice" i thought I'd put this here. Went to my local library yesterday and saw in the foyer a project by local school children. The theme of the project was the simple term "Elsewhere" and there were poems pictures, short stories etc illustrating this concept. Nestling among the poems was this extraordinary offering, which I guess was written by an 8-10 year old judging from the handwriting:-

"Ecstasy
Music
Use it to zoom to
Where it's at.
E.
Elsewhere."

09:09 / 06.11.02

I have just realised that I may have missed the entire point of the child's poem I metioned above. It could be some sort of acrostic. Emu Wee anyone?

11:11 / 06.11.02

I guess was written by an 8-10 year old judging from the handwriting

Or a sixth-former on a comedown ...

12:09 / 06.11.02

... or the 30 year old librarian peaking like a motherfucker.

14:17 / 06.11.02

Rothkoid wrote:And yeah. Pills. And alcohol. Try not to mix them. Sage advice from a fried-head Friday night. You'll probably feel less like a horse has stepped on your head if you nix the alcohol.

Oddly I've always had a better time on the pill after I'm sorta pissed, but my comedowns were never worse than a hangover... but I wasn't used to them, so I thought it was pretty bad.

I'm going to try and convince two friends to try it this weekend. Should be fun.

15:48 / 06.11.02

A lot of the advice varies depending on just what is actually in the pill. If you're extremely lucky, its mostly MDMA in which case keep hydrated, don't overheat, and don't touch DXM or any opiates unless you fee like risking liver failure. Booze just kills the buzz to me, I don't know why people bother drinking if they're on E, unless what they've got isn't MDMA at all. You really just can't peak the same way if you drink with it, as you'd have to fight through the alcohol to peak at all.

Panda: 10 pills? Deal gods, any more than 3 in a night and you've wasted your money. E releases seratonin and depleates your reserves. If you've used it all up, you won't get much more out of additional pills unless you've been munching triptophan and B12 constantly all night and had a nap. Though in most cases, what you're munching resembles more MDE or MDA or some other methamphetimine like crystal, so you're really just eating speed. Real E isn't speed, but it works well with it and you can extend your peak pretty well if you try.

Comedown: triptophan, 5-htp, something to help you build up your seratonin so you don't crash into a miserable depression for days. Eat a lot of protien and amino acids. Sushi is heaven the day after, and helps rebuild you a lot. And hash. Definitely hash. That's my recipe

The shit'll turn you into a pharmacologist if you don't watch it.

Goodness Gracious Meme

16:08 / 06.11.02

Red wine? On a comedown? Hurties.

What you want is nice bubbly rejuvenating lager.

lager? yeuchhh.

but possibly what i;m talking about is trying to get this situation on the go just before the comedowm hits, and thus beein wrapped in a warm fuzzy blanket of drugs when it does...

but yer's dead right on the music front, silence is the last thing you need at that point...

Goodness Gracious Meme

16:24 / 06.11.02

This has some good advice. I think what i'm saying, is, during comedown, the things you need most are rehydration and sleep (and nutritious food if you can manage this) - basically think my routine is my way of drifting off to sleep before the comedown really hits, and so waking up at least a little refreshed the next day.

at which point, good food is where it's at. oh, and bananas ASAP. In lieu of 5-htp supplements, they're pretty much the best natural source.

These guys are also pretty useful

uncle retrospective

19:19 / 06.11.02

Hey,pills are good for Parkinson's.
Who'd have thunk it?

10:36 / 15.11.02

This site contains a lot of good information. Also, don't overhydrate, because that's equally dangerous.

22:49 / 23.11.02

well i haven't taken any yet, this thread was just part of my preparations. i'll let you know how it goes of course, must get uni work out of the way first though.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

10:29 / 24.11.02

"Emu Wee!" Fucking fantastic.

iivix- spot on, mate. I generally hate K in pills, cos I'm wanting to dance and stuff. I used to think K itself was a really shit drug, until a friend of mine got me to sit down and do it IN AND OF ITSELF. Fuck, man. Astral travel, the whole fucking deal. Salvia's nicer, of course, because you don't feel like someone's scraped your brain out with a spork when you come down.

Following in the footsteps of Bengali- I give you

Stoatie's comedown kit.

Beer.
Buffy videos.
Your two favourite comedown records (being a masochist, I always opt for The The and New Model Army and get really sad.)
Beer.
And a quick (I stress the "quick" part) phone call to one of the people you were out with doing the drugs just to get rid of that nagging paranoia that you may have pissed someone off.
Beer.

Goodness Gracious Meme

11:23 / 24.11.02

not bad, Stoats. perhaps we should do a compare/contrast

Actually, I forgot a very important thing:

cuddles!! warm lovely cuddles. as many as poss - especially during that 'long dark midnight of the soul' moment...

(Hugs are the *best* for comedowns of all kinds... am still very feeling yummmy from from last night's tripping-hugging-cosying...)

Goodness Gracious Meme

11:37 / 24.11.02

Which i guess is partly reiterating Ganesh's point about being around people you know and trust *especially* if it's your first time... but a good rule of thumb in general - it helps me loads to be with people I feel comfortable asking for hugs and holding if needed...and falling asleep with people is something that I find really helps...

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