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Le Morte D'Arthur: Book VIII - The Birth of Tristram

 
 
grant
19:33 / 31.10.02
Well, here we are.
I haven't yet finished Book VIII, but I'm just about there - it helps having read it before, yes.

(Anybody having trouble with the language? The head-bonking prose structure?)

So, thus far, the things that interest me most are misbegotten births, character development, and echoes of Arthur.

By which I mean:

* echoes of Arthur -- Tristram is born while his father has been enchanted by a lady who loved him and wanted to steal him from his wife. Arthur is conceived when his father enchants himself to seduce another man's wife.
There are closer parallels in other particulars, but I'm a bit brain-dead at the moment.
The whole thing with Segwarides and the woman who Tristram and Mark both had the hots for really prefigures the La Beale Isoud business.

* character development - despite the fact that it would be easy to write Tristram, Mark, Isoud, etc. as sort of formal (almost allegorical) figures, it's much more fun to read them as real, historical people.
I like that Tristram is a big fan of Lancelot, that he's impatient and a bit of a horny teenager, but is still capable of stirring speeches like the one I quote in the abstract here.
He seems to be defined as this guy who is struggling with his own urges (to fight, to woo), his innate goodness (or at least, his innate understanding of the code), and the enemies he makes along the way.
It might be worth noting that Sir Marhaus, who he kills accidentally in his first combat (FIGHT!), doesn't make nearly as much trouble for him as King Mark, his uncle - ostensibly because he's getting action from the same babe Mark had his eye on, the woman Bleoberis rides off with (WOO!).
I say "ostensibly" because on this read-through, I'm getting more a sense that King Mark acts as he does because, in part, he blames Tristram for the death of his sister. I'm reading that one fact into everything Mark does, and it really changes my attitude towards him (so far).
Which brings along...

* misbegotten births - so many things that happen in this story, so far, seem to be occasions of joy detourned by worldly events. Tristram meets the love of his life in a lie, while tricking her into saving his life. He kills people by accident... first his mother, then Sir Marhaus, and so on. The story's engine really seems to be fueled by his apologies, or even more, his penance: can he make right what accidentally went wrong?

I'm curious what stands out for other folks thus far, and if y'all agree with the above observations, or if you're getting something different out of the same bits.
 
 
Persephone
14:02 / 01.11.02
Well this is what I keep thinking as I'm reading this... be warned, it's sort of a groaner. But I keep thinking that I'd like to look at this text through the whole set of critical lenses. In fact, to use this text to understand how different criticisms --i.e., theories-- affect the reading of the text.

I am hampered in this grand scheme by not really knowing beans about literary criticism. So I am going off on a quest ...but I won't mind if someone points me in the right direction, hey ho.
 
 
grant
17:20 / 01.11.02
Weird thing I just noticed:
In this scene in my copy (the Penguin Books one), it's a shield that gets rescued, not a child, and the knight who took it is Breunor Sauns Pite, not Breuse Sans Pitee. Peculiar, the things translations do.

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Well, Persephone, lemme see if I can recall some old categories of criticism.
Um.
Norman Holland was big into psychological crit, which involved lots of statistics of readers, and dealt with texts as psychological artifacts - as reflections of primal anxieties, complexes, desires, all that stuff. The book as brain, maybe (if I'm remembering right).
I'm not sure if Holland was into psychoanalyzing the text the way some Lacanians are, but that'd probably fit the same general mode.
Tristram as the forming ego.

Had a prof in undergrad who was big into genetic crit, which was more about text-as-history or historical product, reading texts as they relate to zeitgeist, generating and reflecting the moods and obsessions of an age. I think a lot of new historicism and *some* feminist theory falls into the same rough category: text as culture.
Tristram as medieval European ideal.

Similar, but not the same, was something I dimly recall as being called mimetic crit, which takes texts as journalism, in a way. I can't remember any of the theorists behind this, but it was also related to new historicism & some feminism - the novel as disguised ich-roman, really.
Tristram as the memories of Thomas Malory, nostalgic man-at-arms. Or, better yet, Tristram as the literal history of an actual figure, made legendary by the passage of time.


And then there's formalism, which could be seen as a fellow-traveler with psychoanalytic theory, in a way, but is really about structure and structuralism and, by extension, deconstruction. The text as a generator of meaning (or, maybe, "meaning") through the use of formal structures like Hero, Narrative Arc, Episodes, Sentences, etc. Words as words, relating to other words. Eliot was a formalist. I can't recall much else.
Tristram as Campbellian hero-story, or allegory, or as early soap opera, or as destroyer of "history."

I think that was it for the basic categories, as taught me. Of course, they're pretty arbitrary, and pretty distorted by passage of time.

So how does the story *appeal* to you?
 
 
grant
15:32 / 04.11.02
Bueller? Bueller?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
16:30 / 04.11.02
Hold on in there old chap, we'll catch you up... I have something to say about recurring actions in this but I haven't managed to formulate my thoughts properly yet (too occupied with beer and scatological pmaphlet humour)...
 
  
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