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Scientists Create OBE's

 
 
Rev. Jesse
20:32 / 28.10.02
So I didn’t see this listed in the Laboratory or Magick, so I was wondering if anyone else noticed the news that scientists have isolated a part of the brain which when stimulated, generates out of body experiences in the subjects. Anyone else heard of this?

I read it in the September fifth edition of the Economist. I don’t have a copy with me, but when I get the chance I will look into it more.

-Rev. Jesse
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:57 / 28.10.02
There is a thread over in the Lab (The God Spot , Paranormal Experiences, and Direct Electrical Stimulation) but since that sucker's only got three replies I don't see why we can't have one here as well. Knock yerselves out.
 
 
illmatic
07:45 / 01.11.02
Very interesting - has any got a link to this article?

I don't see how conventional science is going to accept this as anything other than depersonalisation/hallucination.
Any thoughts?
 
 
The Monkey
10:39 / 01.11.02
We're talking about neurology here - you know, the systematic mapping of the regions and interconnections in the chunk of fat atop our that allow us to perceive everything? A "scientist" that dismisses an OBE, stimulated or not, as just a displacement is a moron, not a researcher.

Now, on the other hand, if you were hoping that neurology would generate a model of what's going on that pairs with mystical assessments, you're shucks outta luck. OBE description and the metaphysics that stem from them are based on self-report, and self-reports are not given a lot of weight in neurological study...what with the whole being imbedded in a giant cultural-interprative framework that hands out metaphors for the experience with bells on, utterly confabulating their validity, even compared cross-report.

What you will end up with from this God spot thingy is a better understanding the aspects of the sensorium and the brain that we really, really take for granted. The five [external-monitoring] senses, as we style them (sometimes the vestibular is counted six, and I'd make an argument for the vomeronasal; to say nothing of the important interal-condition senses), are prominent, out there to recognized by the deficits and absences, consciously controllable and thus ripe for self-assessment. This "God Spot" though, touches on some of the things that we don't think about in a very concrete, doesn't stimulate the neocortex way...that our perception of "being" in space and time, our understanding of our position in three dimensions and sense of having a continuous body and a first-person perspective, are keyed to regions and axes in the lower brain.
 
 
The Monkey
10:48 / 01.11.02
Not that I'm wholly dismissing OBEs as a mystical experience; I'm just pointing out that scientists can't work with the ineffeable and subjective particularly well.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:47 / 03.11.02
We can, we just can't put it in a lab book.
 
  
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