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Tiny Humanoid Found in Chile: the Little People among us?

 
 
grant
15:09 / 28.10.02
Occasionally, these things happen. The Little People get found.

In this current case, still under investigation, the vacationing Henriquez Carreño family found an ill, seven-centimeter-long humanoid creature under a bush. It stayed alive for eight days, occasionally opening its eyes. Shortly after it died, it showed advanced signs of decomposition, virtually mummifying itself overnight.

tinyalien2.jpg

At first, scientists thought it might be the body of a fetal animal, but the bones are apparently too well-formed and joined together for that to be the case.

The official explanation: the body actually belongs to a small marsupial known as a "mountain monkey," a mouse-like creature something like a possum.

The problem lies in the comparison:
tinyalien.jpg

Could these be the same creatures? If not, what did the family find?
 
 
The Monkey
02:35 / 29.10.02
When they find two more I'll stop being skeptical.

I don't by the "spontaneously decomposed" story. Decomposition and/or dessication of the body occur a rate proportional to environmental facilitation of the breakdown of proteins, and is generally facilitated by necrophagous and saprophytic organisms and the microrganisms they introduce. Even a tiny 7cm critter would take more than 24 hours to break down. A fly takes longer than that to break down. Even venoms that break down myofibrous tissues, such as a snakebite, wouldn't reduce a a dead thing to the depicted state. However, on the link the say it was kept in a fridge, which would explain the dessication (cold plus lack of moisture).

...if it's not a Piltdown Man type gig, I'd say from the body shape that it's a foetus that has been spontaneously aborted. The angles of the photograph don't provide sufficient data for me to guess at a family. It could be a marsupial rat or mole or something opossumlike, or a rodent, insectivore, or even a primate akin to a tarsier or loris. Most foetuses look pretty humanoid, so the possible range remains large.

It seems to me that conclusions are being drawn on the basis of the skull shape and proportional size...my eyebrow arches Spock-like over the fact that the photos don't show the pelvis or legs of the critter...which would tell a lot more about the speciation of the thing on a casual-observer basis. Just the presence of tail bones would shorten the suspect list, as would the structure of the pelvic-girdle/thighbone interface. Skulls are funny, especially if you look at them across foetuses and neonates, 'cause they're always proportionally large. That isn't a very higher-primate-looking jaw, and I wish I could see the dentition marks. The nasal bones are pretty fragile and contain a lot of cartilage, so it may be that they previously streched to match the jaw, but have been broken off. A basic forensic cranio-skeletal analysis should be the first order of business, not a DNA test.
 
 
The Natural Way
10:43 / 29.10.02
You'll stop being skeptical? Of what? That it's really a fairy?

Was anyone seriously suggesting that. An interest in the fortean doesn't equal stupidity and a lack of imagination, you know.
 
 
Linus Dunce
11:00 / 29.10.02
I reckon it's a very dead bat.
 
 
Lurid Archive
11:04 / 29.10.02
No, but your dismissive attitude to a well thought out post that reviews decomposition rates, embryo development and historical precedents for skepticism aren't doing you any favours.
 
 
solid~liquid onwards
11:51 / 29.10.02
looks a bit like a foetal alien, from the alien seires

it looks almost comical in some of those pictures...im going with animal foetus theory though...or else its one ugly fairy
 
 
Linus Dunce
15:43 / 29.10.02
No, I swear, it's a bat. I've spent h o u r s in vain trying to find a clear picture to illustrate, so you'll just have to imagine the face of something like a horsehoe bat. Then look at the thing's "hands." The fingers are incomplete. What could (should) be there are the tarsals of the wings. And the lower torso is one big lump I think because the tail/leg bits haven't completely decomposed. Please tell me you can see it.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
16:30 / 29.10.02
I don't think the 'arms' are long enough though, are they? But apart from that... it either has a squished in nose or a long boneless whiffly thing, the jaw is obviously set low in the skull, those long fingers are more like those of the possumy thing in the photo...
 
 
Linus Dunce
16:55 / 29.10.02
But some bats have arms of that length, honest -- I looked at bloody hundreds. I just couldn't find one with that length of arm and that face. And bats can have whiffly things. And count the links in the "hands" -- they're very incomplete.

Oh please believe me. :-)
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
17:09 / 29.10.02
Well, if you're sure about the arms... it does look plausible, doesn't it? And bats come in small sizes...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
17:14 / 29.10.02
Though the skull does make it look foetal. I had a look on Skulls Unlimited for bat skulls (there is a website called Skulls Unlimited, I may die) and they don't look like that one...

bat skulls
 
 
Linus Dunce
17:20 / 29.10.02
Yup, went there. I think they're selling fruit-bat-type bats with long snouts, and there's only three, right?
 
 
Linus Dunce
17:24 / 29.10.02
Check out the diagonal, Spock's-eyebrow-like ridges on the alien skull -- got to be anchor points for mobile batty ears, right?
 
 
tom-karika nukes it from orbit
18:14 / 29.10.02
This doesn't have to be a normal bat. It could have a deformed domed head, and be of a species with a short snout. You do get people with highly unusual skull shapes, why not in animals?

I also am highly suspicious of the absence of any pelvis photos. The pelvis seems to be surrounded by a sort of loose rotten skin. Decomposed wings anyone?

There are outward similarities between bat and human anatomy:

1. The 'hands'. Bat 'hands' have lots of long fingers with joints, just like humans.

2. No tail. There aren't many animals with no long tail bone.

3. Bats have their head facing outwards, in the same direction as their belly, at 90 degrees to the torso. Not many animals like that either.

And specific similarites between this thing and a bat:

1. It had 'slitty eyes'. So so bats, I beleive. Very small ones.
2. It's the right size. There aren't many big bats. And remember, if this has a skull deformity, it's growth may be stunted as well.
3. It had a very bat-like lower jaw - pointed at the end, quite unlike the rounded end you find on a human.

Once the wings have rotted, and taking into account skull deformities, this could well be a bat.
 
 
grant
18:33 / 29.10.02
I suspect it's not a bat because the fingers seem all wrong, but I can't get a good enough look at the fingers to tell.
 
 
Linus Dunce
19:03 / 29.10.02
Oh, you'll see the hands tonight ... in your dreams ...
 
 
The Monkey
19:46 / 29.10.02
Ooo. A bat is a pretty good theory, and while there are plenty of bits you can't see it does look like bats skeletons I've seen...although display skeletons are always spread out for display, and it's hard to imagine the image distortion of one curled up.

Runce - I'm not mocking anyone, nor, I think, have I made any jibes about little people, fairies, etc. I have a strong interest in cryptozoology, but I prefer to pair it with, rather than set it into opposition, with what physioological, zoological and forensic knowledge I possess. And it's generally a good principle to operate on the theory that one specimen could be dismissed as a genetic or physiological aberration, but two suggests a news species or subfamily.
 
 
grant
13:06 / 11.11.02
Somebody big has gotten sick of it:

The organization known as CIO (Corporación para la Investigación OVNI, or Corporation for the Investigation of UFOs - ed), which was recently responsible for the investigation of the tiny creature discovered in Concepcion, Chile, has decided to withdraw from the case. The announcement was made in light of recent requests from the family members and owners of the alleged creature also known as ‘TOY’. The family is reportedly 'under pressure' to stop the investigation from going any further.


SANTIAGO, NOVEMBER 8, 2002. Through an official statement, the CIO
organization announced the decision not to proceed with the
investigations regarding the alleged creature found near Concepcion, Chile by family
members from Santiago. The information provided by CIO points out the
following:

On November fifth of 2002, during a meeting of directors, an unanimous
decision was reached to retire from the investigation of the TOY case,
a phenomenon broadly covered by the news media.

This decision is based fundamentally because of pressures upon the
family members and even recently, on our own director. Given these unfavorable
circumstances, the required investigation of this particular case
cannot proceed.

We want to express our most sincere thanks to Veterinarian Enzo Bossco
and his team, for their unconditional participation and support for CIO in
Chile, clearly demonstrating their scientific interest in the case.

We leave the case up to the family members and owners of TOY, under
their absolute freewill, to make the final decision. We also want to let them know that there is absolutely no commitment nor pressure from us to force them to make a decision regarding this case. We want to express our gratitude for their trust and for letting us manage the initial steps of the investigation.

We apologize to all those who followed this case and somehow put their
trust in us, hoping to hear about the final results. We truly hope you
understand the reasons for our decision.


Enrique Sepulveda Sariego
President
CIO Chile


Translation by Mario Andrade
 
 
Linus Dunce
13:41 / 11.11.02
We truly hope you
understand the reasons for our decision.


For dropping a scientific investigation into a possible new humanoid species? Oh yeah. It's a bat.
 
 
Seth
20:09 / 11.11.02
You worthless fuck-ups. It's a Borrower. Anyone can see that: just stick a quaint waistcoat on the fucker.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
10:50 / 13.11.02
Why the total lack of interest in the academic world? Odd.
 
 
Sebastian
11:08 / 13.11.02
I am very receptive, which most of you probably know by now, but there's something shittily missing here. Someone should already have put the "thing" under x-rays or at least under MRI if fearing radiation exposure effects, and the images would have circulated the world even faster than these. DNA analysis would take necessarily longer, but for a story released on October 26th, today being November 13th, we should have heard more by now.
 
 
gridley
16:19 / 14.11.02
Maybe the tiny people don't want the word getting out. Maybe they whisper lies into the ears of the people who are studying them. Maybe they're a thousand times more powerful than we could guess.
 
 
dubpulse
07:28 / 12.12.02
haha, I rather enjoyed that.

My parents are originally from right around Concepcion, and there are at least a couple strange tales about UFO sightings told in my family, not to mention the requisite ghost stories as well (though I suppose most folks have their ghost stories).

Whenever I manage to go visit family there, I promise I'll go looking for the wee folk.

or bats....

whatever they are.

 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
14:01 / 15.12.02
You should take this serious!!!

Who knows how many presidents the wee people has taken control over?

It's an invasion, and that little bugger they found in October is probably carrying a destructive virus as part of biological war: they probably know all our secrets and weaknesses by know, and you're kidding.

Watch the sk... i mean, ground; Watch the ground!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:23 / 15.12.02
Why the total lack of interest in the academic world?

I wouldn't say there's been a lack of interest-- the little critter's been checked over by several vets.

Incidentally, the marsupial theory looks more credible if you imagine what the mountain monkey shown in the picture would look like if it was missing part of it's upper mandible.
 
 
Cat Chant
07:49 / 18.12.02
My gut reaction is to believe that this is some sort of fairy or goblin, but this is nigh-on-immediately undermined by the fact that the "vacationing" family don't seem to have taken any pictures of it whilst it was alive (for seven days), only after it did the instamummy thing.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:54 / 18.12.02
Mmm. very convenient, that.
 
  
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