BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


Itty bitty Invisibles question, says [SPOILERS]

 
 
Perfect Tommy
18:30 / 25.10.02
So, when we get to see Robin's home time, some characters put the word 'says' at the end of a sentence. I assumed it was some sort of wacky futuristic grammatical slang.

When Robin is taking command, getting all hardcore, right before the team goes underground to start searching for Boy, she puts a 'says' at the end of a sentence again--I assumed it was reverting to her natural speech pattern under stress.

But upon re-reading Sheman recently, I saw Fanny put 'says' at the end of a long passage about Tlazolteotl (which I'd quote if I had the comic with me).

The question: Does 'says' at the end of a sentence have some everyday meaning that I have been unaware of until now, or does it show up in Fanny's initiation story just because of the perfectly natural future-bleeding-into-the-past phenomenon?
 
 
Jack Fear
18:35 / 25.10.02
It's a shaman thing: it shows up in Native American ritual songs, which is why it's appropriate for Fanny to do it.

As for why the kids of 2012 do it--maybe shamanism is the "in" thing that year, or maybe "The Invisibles" novel was susch a super smash hit that the hip young things have adopted Fanny's speech patterns: "says" is 2012's "y'know."
 
 
Perfect Tommy
18:37 / 25.10.02
Ah HA! I owe you a drink.
 
 
penitentvandal
16:23 / 27.10.02
I owe you a drink, says.

Shall we try and make it a meme?
 
 
Tamayyurt
21:40 / 27.10.02
I like it. I'm incorporating it into my vocabulary and spreading it!
 
 
bjacques
22:31 / 27.10.02
I've seen that somewhere else too, but I can't place it now. Jamaican patois?
 
 
The Falcon
22:49 / 27.10.02
Actually, former Hearts and Aberdeen 'striker' (inverted commas mine; he scored the mighty sum of one goal for us - the latter team,) Jim Hamilton - currently, I think, at Dundee United, when interviewed, always uses the phrase "says eh" at the end of each sentence. "Eh" in this case is "I", put through the Dundonian argot mangler. I've never heard anyone else use this phrase, despite living in Dundee for three years - but I make the assumption it is Dundonian. 'Eh' = 'I'.

It's very unusual, and, unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be interviewed very often anymore.

Further to the above points, when I did the very tedious English Language (compulsory) in first year at university, it was noted by one of my lecturers that the underclasses dictate future modes of speech - Dundonian is very working-class, but really absolutely fuck all to do with San Francisco, where Kay lives.

Anyway, it can also be considered a preferable alternative to 'I think' at the start of a sentence.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:23 / 28.10.02
and there is the awful 'likesay' too, which most Trainspooters will be familiar with.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:01 / 24.11.02
I'd put the re-emergence of this in 2012 down to the after-effects of Robin's experience on Sky in the Ganzfeldt tank - the blurring of fiction and reality leading to a written prose convention getting muddled in with standard speech patterns.
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:01 / 24.11.02
Does anyone know what issue that was that we see her writing the invisibles book in the language tank? I'd like to se that again.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:39 / 24.11.02
Vol 2 #20
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:56 / 28.11.02
Not sure if this observation has been made here in the past (good chance it has) - that whole sequence is like some kind of high-tech lucid dreaming, Robin sticking her hand in to alter the story she's imagined after the event.
 
 
Tamayyurt
16:36 / 28.11.02
Thanks
 
  
Add Your Reply