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Tipping The Velvet: Oysters Are Not The Only Fruit

 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:50 / 24.10.02
Was remarking with another 'Lither earlier tonight that we're both surprised there hasn't been a thread about this show already, and a strongly opinionated one at that.

Now that it's concluded, what did people who caught it think? I missed the middle one, which by all accounts was the one with all the sex in, but what I did see was actually quite a lot better than I expected. Let's deal with the flaws first: some of the imagery was a tad too obvious (prising open oysters, do you see?); Nan's accent wobbled into a very strange area now and again; several of the love scenes *did* stray into 'Channel 5' territory; you have to try very hard to make a 19th centru costume drama not look like 'Blackadder's Christmas Carol' and like so many other programmes TTV fell into this trap.

That aside, there was much to like. Lots of solid stuff about drag/gender/performance/identity - the whole idea of the circus/cabaret as almost a 'safe space' for a certain kind of experimentation/bohemian lifestyle, but also the possibility that this can be corrupted by a combination of spectacle and capital, as arguably happens to Kitty - interesting that when Nan returns to the stage, this is heavily tied in to her discovery of socialism and in fact her becoming another kind of stage performer (the scene in which she joins the 'honest East End socialist bloke' onstage and effectively lends him a little of her masculine animus was fab, IMHO). Love the idea of music hall as subversive but very populist entertainment (which I'm sure is historically accurate). Also liked a lot of the sea/water imagery throughout (the papers seemed to pick up on the "you smell like a mermaid" line as merely sexual innuendo, but I think it's part of a more evocative/romantic/mystical theme, if arguably a cliched one).

Can't remember the name of the actress who played Nan offhand and don't time to look it up, but thought she made a very impressive boy (that's where her voice proved a strength) - there's loads of stuff to be said about the Victorian boy-hero of novels, "what larks Pip", the whole boy identiy etc. I bet Peter Ackroyd would like it...

More to say probably but was wondering what anyone else thought. It did make me interested in reading the book, I'll say that much.
 
 
Saveloy
15:00 / 25.10.02
"Can't remember the name of the actress who played Nan offhand and don't time to look it up, but thought she made a very impressive boy"

All I can remember is that she is Diana Rigg's daughter.

I bloody loved it, despite missing a lot of crucial bits (the first prog being the only one I saw straight through without interuptions); such a lovely (luvverly) story! Far, far better than the trailers and teasers in the press led me to believe it would be; I thought they tried to sell it as a dodgy soft-porn romp, in a "cor, lezzers, eh, lads?" stylee. Or was that just me, mis-reading things again?
 
 
that
17:49 / 25.10.02
I didn't see it - passed it over in favour of 'Faking It'. Bad dyke, slap wrists.

Well, I did catch about 3 seconds of it...and my impression was simply: Baaaad accents. Had she been taking lessons from Spike and Drusilla?

Will no doubt read the book at some point, tho'.
 
 
arcboi
19:33 / 25.10.02
Lissen, there's only one bladdy reason you woz watchin' Tipping The Velvet and it weren't for no "drag/gender/performance/identity" issues...
 
 
Shortfatdyke
14:28 / 26.10.02
I didn't get to see the series, and I haven't yet read the book (bad dyke #2) but some of the press (inevitably) pissed me off - one review insisted a man had written the damn thing, and another gave a huge interview to the male scriptwriter and only mentioned Sarah Waters in passing. So, I want to see this, but I think it will be better to watch it on video, with no hype or stories about men ringing to complain that there wasn't enough girl on girl action in it.

I also must admit to not liking 'period' pieces too much, regardless of it being queer, but the trailers looked pretty good.

And arcboi - some sensible discussion on this, please.
 
 
arcboi
17:10 / 26.10.02
In all seriousness, it was entertaining and fun in it's own way (the lead's Kathy Burke accent nothwithstanding...). I did think though that the whole Victorian lesbian scene seemed a bit unlikely. I'd welcome any experts to prove me wrong tho.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:52 / 08.05.03
Bumping this thread, because the TV series will be airing on BBC America over the Memorial Day weekend—so US folks can see what the fuss is about.

To get you psyched up, there's a RealAudio interview with author Sarah Waters, courtesy of NPR's Fresh Air.

In light of arcboi's comment above: Waters makes it quite clear that she's writing, essentially, historical fantasy—that her Victorian England is an extrapolation/exaggeration of the real thing—although she notes, with a mixture of pride and horror, that many younger readers of her books make erroneous assumptions about the historical accuracy of her work.

It's an intrigung self-created subgenre, this "lesbo-Victoriana" (her term): it gives me echoes of steampunk, the science fiction subgenre that extrapolates from Jules Verne and HG Wells—only with sexuality in place of technology... speculative fiction in its truest sense, from a social perspective rather than a scientific one.

I'll be interested in watching this, and hope I get the chance.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:25 / 23.05.03
'nother bump: this is airing in the States this weekend.
 
  
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