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Grant Morrison and Allan Moore in a Magik duel

00:07 / 24.10.02

If Grant Morrison and Allan Moore decided to destroy each other with their magik skills, who would win?

02:12 / 24.10.02

Not that I've read a lot of Moore, but I think Moore would win. Grant would be too busy trying to figure out how to do his magic 'with style'
whereas Moore would just do his thing.

Nietzsch E. Coyote

02:14 / 24.10.02

Grant Morrison would channel King Mob. Choom, choom, no more Moore.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

02:33 / 24.10.02

Whatever company published it.

03:28 / 24.10.02

I'd heard that Moore was an old school, ritual style magician, and that Morrison was the poster boy for chaos magic.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

05:36 / 24.10.02

Yeah, you're right although Moore has a core of Chaos Magick to him as well. (I'm basing that mainly due to his idea of ideaspace and the existence/non-existence of his chosen diety: the Serpent God Glycon.) And yeah, they apparently don't like each other (or at least didn't) either. Either way, however, they're preaching the same fucking message. Same song, different dancers.

07:51 / 24.10.02

I'm sure promethea has contained many sneaky nods/ disses to Grant recently, particularly the most recent issue: "Back in the twenties magicians had style. Now it's all sigils, stubble and self abuse" (paraphrased). Not sure if that's an out-and-out pisstake or not, after all the Invisibles' "golden age counterparts" were pretty fucking glam.

This is not a diss either: is this the right forum for this? Doesn't really seem like a serious magickal discussion is going to take place... no biggie.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

10:45 / 24.10.02

Does anyone mind if I put in a request to transfer this to the Convo? It's fun, but not very magicky.

13:40 / 24.10.02

I personally do not mind the move MC. This is one of those weird borderline topics, it could easily go into the Comics forum I would imagine. Conversation seems like a fair compromise.

Jack, really....no topic abstract again? Remember, that is a sure way to make sure anyone can find this thread if they do a search. Pleeease, try to use this feature for less fustration all round.

I wanted to comment about the Promethea issue #22. That very line "Back in the twenties magicians had style. Now it's all sigils, stubble and self abuse" (paraphrased)....certainly gave me a similar feeling MC Lentil. After peeling back the onion skins of words, it seemeed a direct hit to the board here. I think the next frame confirms this with the new Promethea asking, "Now, do you have a scrying glass or does everyone look on the net these days?". It may be a little far-fetched but somehow, the underlying intent seemed to be pointing it's gnarled finger this way.

As for who I think would win, I ould have to say Gaiman, but only because I have not read enough MOrrison or Moore to draw any conclusion on either.

13:51 / 24.10.02

I'd go for Allan Moore, because he's the player-coach of Stirling Albion and his magickal powers would be exemplary.

Or did you mean Alan Moore?

14:38 / 24.10.02

No disrespect to Morrison, but it's gotta be Moore by a landslide.

He is one scary motherfucker.. I mean, Grant can spend as much time as he likes lounging around on mountaintops trying to mmake a protection deal with the DMT elves or something, but Alan's just gotta reach for one of his forbidden tomes, chalk the circles in his darkened loft, speaketh the barbarous names and some howling vengence demons'll be dispatched to tear GM limb from limb, old skool..

14:44 / 24.10.02

In my head this is like the transformation duel between Morpheus and the demon in The Sandman.

Grant: I am a cat, leg rubbing, curtains climbing.

Alan Moore: I am a beer mug, stout containing, cat glassing.

14:50 / 24.10.02

Okay, if Alan & Grant duked it out on raw power, Alan is clearly the winner, but the D&D approach is so passe. What if they had one of those magicky dance-offs like in Willow or Ironwood? Like, they've got to out-class each other, not just smash each others' brains in.

And who the hell would judge the results? Colin Wilson? Carlos Castenada? I move that Neal Gaiman be barred from the office, as he is sorta Robin to Alan's Batman.

14:51 / 24.10.02

Grant: I am hope...

14:52 / 24.10.02

And Mark Millar is Jimmy Olsen to Grant's Superman.

14:55 / 24.10.02

Moore: I am cancer in every inch of your spine.

Done, deal.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

16:50 / 24.10.02

Morrison: The spinal tumor is now my familiar spirit, and I'm gonna use it to fuck you up, dude.

16:57 / 24.10.02

Moore: Your spinal tumor is now your familiar. Too familiar, and a little bit too intimate, I'm afraid. It's emptying your fridge right now, and spilling milk on your keyboard.

17:00 / 24.10.02

Now he's drunk and affectionate. And he wants to kiss and cuddle this big pink marble you call head. Let the cancer familiar lick your bald head, sonny. You know you want to.

We're The Great Old Ones Now

17:03 / 24.10.02

The winner: whichever one of them recognises the blazing futility of this confrontation first. God knows they've both written this scene often enough.

18:07 / 24.10.02

WWF-Smackdown-style! Or maybe a Catholic school theological question, like Jesus vs. Superman? Merlin vs. Madame Mim? What is it about northerners and magic(k) anyway?

18:13 / 24.10.02

Or WWWF style, Grudge Match!

18:21 / 24.10.02

Googlefight says

Grant Morrison
279 000 results

vs

Alan Moore
801 000 results

Alan Moore wins. The interwebnetrix has spoken.

01:37 / 25.10.02

Fuck that, Moore's too trad - I think they are having a magick battle, and I noticed that Promethea line, too - can you say: 'fucking childish'. And Morrison is, as I speak, giving Moore the equivalent of a wedgie, because everyone knows his comics are better.

The Filth rips the ass out of Promethea. New X-Men vs. Tom Strong/Tomorrow Stories - don't make me laugh.

The Return Of Rothkoid

03:03 / 25.10.02

You know this won't be a true Barbelith bitchslap unless it ends in slash. They put down their familiars and get familiar...

03:12 / 25.10.02

Oh, My eyes!

That is an image I did not need.

03:13 / 25.10.02

Moore. Morrison would worry too much about the ramifications of his actions. If Alan Moore was resigned to battle, he would slaughter Morrison indiscrimanantly.

Plus he could intimidate even the most hardcore biker man. He's just got the SSSSSSTAAARE...

(caps followed by elipses are a sign of respect by the way. Please don't slaughter me, scary comics man)

03:16 / 25.10.02

Oh... I just sounded like Henry Bendix... ~cringes~

11:03 / 25.10.02

Moore. He's got the beard and the hair. And just look at the picture on the back cover of The Watchmen. Who'd mess with that!

Now that I think of it, Moore is not unlike Spider Jerusalem in the first couple of issues of Transmet and Morrison is like him after the shave...perhaps they're actually the same person?

11:10 / 25.10.02

The Natural Way

11:17 / 25.10.02

May: Gaiman knows fuck all about magic.

11:31 / 25.10.02

Quite possible Gaiman doesn't, Runce. However, it is the only comix author I am familiar with. I have only read 3 pages of Morrison and one issue of Moore.

I said Gaiman mainly because I am unaware of the potentcy of the other two. ALthough, blindly, I would have to say Morrison only because I have quite a bit of evidence of the fruits of his magickal labour.

16:40 / 25.10.02

I maintain that a Moore-ison slug-fest would be bo-o-o-oring. I'd rather see some sort of contest, like, Alan has to cause the moon to collide with a satellite and Grant has to save the satellite, or Grant has to get Mick Jagger to tell Regis Filbin to get fucked and Alan has to get Mick Jagger to fuck Regis Filbin... something like that. Maybe even a whole slate of events. And we need a board of judges. I nominate Sting, Noam Chomsky, and Buju Banton.

16:45 / 25.10.02

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