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Bowling for Columbine

 
 
Wyrd
01:23 / 14.10.02
I see that American political activist, critic and satirist, Michael Moore, released a new movie/documentary on Friday. Called Bowling for Columbine it details the American love affair with guns, and the consequences thereof.

Did any of you in the USA see it yet?
 
 
Rev. Wright
08:36 / 14.10.02
Not yet, but Anthony Lappe did.
 
 
jUne, a sunshiny month
08:42 / 14.10.02
i saw it yesterday, in my hometown they're doing a Moore retrospective with "roger & me", "the big one", "candian bacon"...
B4C is awesome. moore is awesome too. everybody should check this movie. it's intelligent, funny enough for getting a lot of audience.
where's the censors, hotdammit ?
 
 
Ethan Hawke
12:16 / 28.10.02
Bowling For Columbine is, as June says, a very funny film. It's also a very upsetting film, particularly for Americans. I cried or nearly cried not less than 3 times during the film, and its not because Moore was purposely pushing any buttons - there are some incredibly moving images/stories in the film that have become part of the national character for those of us who came of age in America in the 1990s.

Gun violence, and the proliferation of guns, are really only tangental to the main thesis of the film. I don't think Moore believes that a complete ban on guns is an answer to solving the problem of American violence. Beyond some common-sense measures (background checks, waiting periods, trigger locks, assault weapon ban), all of which the Heston-figureheaded (those interview scenes...oh boy) NRA opposes, there's little the government can do to stop someone who is determined to wreak violence on his neighbours, and aside from the Chris Rock-inspired bullet ban or make-bullets-really-costly "idea", Moore doesn't advance any agenda or solution for stopping gun violence.

The bigger question, and the one that Moore eventually explores through the prism of our neighbors to the north (who have inexplicably become the new Polacks in our national consciousness), is why do Americans live in a culture of fear? Fear of our neighbors, fear of our children, and fear of the foreign. Why is American fear different from the fear of residents of other nations, and why does it manifest itself in violence so often, and so deadly?

Capsule histories of both the story of the United States and US foreign policy abroad in the post ww2 period, while illustrating that violence and fear are evident on the macro as well as local levels, do little to explain the phenomenon of American violence. As Moore points out several times in the film, almost every other nation has a history as bathed in blood as the US. The US, however much it is despised as a "hyperpower" these days, is not exceptional in terms of its violence or the reach of that violence.

One theory that Moore advances is the vacuity of TV, especially TV news. Crime goes down, reporting on crime goes up. If it bleeds, it leads. He tries to compare US evening news unfavorably to the banal reports received nightly by Canadians, but while the difference is striking it's a kind of chicken/egg argument - if Canada had close to the amount of violent crime that the US did, maybe the comparison would be more telling.

Marylin Manson, favorite scapegoat of the religious right, offers a theory that verges of conspiracy - that the powers that be use the media to create fear in the minds of people so that they'll be tempted to buy a product that they think will assuage their fear. To my mind, this is another facile answer, the rote leftist argument against capitalist society, and I naturally ignore it....

....Until Moore examines the case of a 6 year old boy in Flint Michigan who shot a classmate with a handgun he found at home and brought to school- this seems like a typical argument for gun control, and indeed, Moore later uses it as a cudgel to bash Charlton Heston. But to his credit, he digs deeper, and examines an ultimately more harmful systemic corruption in the US - "workfare to welfare" programs.

The mother of the boy in this case was forced onto one of these programs during the Clinton administration (though Moore glosses over this fact, and instead uses this as an example of Bush's America. Which is fine by me, but I'm sure Andrew Sullivan or somebody will/has called him on it). In an appalling scene, we see how she is bussed, township-style, from the Flint slum in which she lives, to a shopping mall in rich Auburn Hills in order to weight tables and make fudge (she needs two jobs to make ends meet) for the wealthy. Every day, busses filled with mostly black people (if Moore is to be believed -seeing as there are more white people than black on welfare, he may be guilty of playing a race card here - but that's a minor infraction) - make this 80 mile journey so that participants can "pay back" the welfare they've received. Companies who employ the workers get certain tax breaks, and in another appalling twist, Lockheed Martin, a leading weapons contractor (who is shown earlier in the film to be one of the largest employers in Littleton, CO, where they make the ICBMs) is the private contractor the government chose to run the workfare-welfare program.

Conservatives speak often of the disintegration of the family (though, you know, there are more broken homes in the UK than here) as the root cause of social evil, yet with programs such as this they fracture single-parent families even more. There's a word for this, one that George Bush knows well: Evil.

How do we stop these Evil-Doers and the culture that perpetuates them? Aside from starting up a corporate version of "Cops", Moore doesn't advance any answers. He seems as perplexed by America at the end of the film as he did at the beginning (when he receives a free rifle for opening a bank account). Despite this flaw (and some fact-fudging), Moore is perhaps the most important voice of progressives in the United States these days. He has unprecented access to people, unprecedented leverage he can muster with his media contacts, and unprecedented empathy for even the most unsympathetic characters he encounters. I only wish I could edit his film into a leaner, tighter fighting machine, and make it mandatory in schools across the country.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:52 / 28.10.02
I really, really wanna see this film.

Saw the trailer the other day - free gun w/ every bank account? Jesus....
 
 
Rage
15:43 / 29.10.02
I loved the "History of America" cartoon at immense levels.

The rest of the film was ok, though I did feel like I was at some sort of liberal convention. I got burnt out on that stuff a while ago.

I walked out of the screening wondering why nobody had shot Charlton Heston yet.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
16:03 / 29.10.02
Um, because he's feeble and impotent and has Alzheimer's symptoms? Charlton Heston isn't the real enemy.
 
 
Rage
16:07 / 29.10.02
There's no "real enemy."

I just think that someone might consider blowing Heston's brains out for ironic humor's sake.

But this post is about Bowling For Columbine and all.
 
 
videodrome
17:13 / 29.10.02
I just think that someone might consider blowing Heston's brains out for ironic humor's sake.

Ironic humour, yes. If only you got the joke.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
02:14 / 31.10.02
But...Sinead O'Conner said the Pope was the real enemy. Was she lying to me too?
 
 
Naked Flame
07:46 / 31.10.02
Am I right in thinking that the Alzeheimer's is so advanced now that Charlton has lost the right to bear arms?

All together now.... awwwww.
 
 
The Strobe
18:15 / 31.10.02
Ooh. Am seeing this next week, and looking forwar dto it greatly. And going to a conference with Moore - will let you know if anything interesting comes of that...
 
 
Saint Keggers
20:11 / 01.11.02
Managed to catch the History of America cartoon while flipping the channels (turns out he was on Oprah). Hillarious. Its quite South Park-esque. Now Im going to try and see the film next week.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:18 / 01.11.02
It's 'South Park-esque' because Trey Parker did it. And there's just no way you saw the real deal on tv. It's far too over the top, and there's way too much swearing for you to get the full effect on Oprah.
 
 
Rage
02:06 / 02.11.02
Me? Getting the joke? As if!
 
 
Saint Keggers
05:58 / 02.11.02
Flux: If there was that much swearing then im sure I didn't get the real deal on Oprah (and who does?) but it was still the most hillarious thing I've seen since watching School House Rocks! while stoned.
 
 
Margin Walker
22:04 / 02.11.02
I thought it was Matt Stone that did the "Brief History of America" cartoon as well, but this popmatters.com review said it was animated by Harold Moss of Flickerlab.

Anyways, I caught a screening of "Bowling For Columbine" this week and I still haven't figured out what it's really about. At times the emotions just smack you upside the head and you don't know if you want to cry because it's hilarious or because it's so horribly wrong. And yeah, that's a good thing. A very good thing. Watch it if you get a chance and you'll know exactly what I mean.
 
 
Tamayyurt
16:08 / 04.11.02
I think they shou;d show this in schools! Everyone should see this fucking movie.

By the way what is it that Charlton Heston says at the end of the meetings? "From my cold dead hands!"? I love that!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:54 / 04.11.02
Hmmm. I saw this movie a few weeks ago, and my feeling on it is this : If you're not crazy about guns, then you'll find yourself nodding in agreement a lot, and you'll get a lot of chuckles out of it. A lot of the movie is like, erm, shooting fish in a barrel. I think the movie is at its best when it's being a) clever and funny or b) bringing to light factoids that aren't very well known. I think Moore does a decent job of portraying the 'everyman', he's more balanced and fair than usual this time around.

There are problems, though.

There are some seriously cringe-inducing sequences in this film, the most egregious example would be the finale with Moore interviewing Charlton Heston, which starts off well enough before Moore impatiently goes for Heston's jugular in a sloppy and unprofessional way. I think if Moore were a better interviewer, he actually could have gotten much more out of Heston, and we could have either understood his perspective better, or he could have let his own words reveal the flaws of his argument. No, instead we get Moore pulling out a picture of a little girl who was killed in Michigan, which is just lame, lame, lame. What the hell was Moore thinking? Did he expect anything more than what happened, Heston ending the interview? God, what else was Heston supposed to do? At that point, Moore had effectively ended any kind of serious, reasonable, and respectful debate. It was cynical and crass - it was done so Moore had a big finale scene for his movie where he stands down the big bad guy and shows that unlike this Stupid White Man, he CARES about poor black girls. It was cheap grandstanding, and very transparently so.

For similar reasons, I'm not crazy about the K-Mart sequence, because even if convincing that company to no longer stock ammunition is a good thing, it was done with bully tactics and was just sort of tasteless and tacky.
 
 
vajramukti
17:20 / 04.11.02
it may have been tasteless and tacky, but that's what sells these days. It's hard to be thoughfull and articulate in the face of that kind of thing.

I almost cried several times during this film. I just came back from spending the summer in the states, and I must say, the amount of fear hanging in the air is simply awfull. At least amongs the parts of the mainstream culture that I encountered.

The US is the prototype for the consumer lifestyle, and if this is what's in store for an americanised world, we ought to be very cautious.

I don't think it's a great conspiracy that fear sells products. It's simple psychology really. It's easier to go buy a quick fix than to actually examine anxiety. It doesn't take too much cynicism or insight on the part of advertising and media executives to hit on what works.
 
 
The Strobe
14:19 / 29.11.02
I think the problem with Moore's film is that it's too long. Two hours is a long while for a documentary, and I left feeling bombarded with facts. Also, the pacing's a little out. Early on, the rapid switch between humour and pathos, silly and serious (and often challenging you as to whether what you're seeing IS serious or silly) works really well, but as the film goes on, you can almost anticipate the shifts. And, Moore being Moore, he ends on sentimentality. Five minutes after I'd left the preview theatre, I only remembered the Columbine CCTV sequences, which were some of the most powerful (and simply displayed) material in the film.

This is partly down to the fact that Moore admits he's untrained, and strings stuff together however it might work out. And he did admit to getting very nervous in interviews; with Charlton Heston, his tone of voice isn't fawning to generate sympathy - he's just really, really nervous. Flux is right - if you stop the film before Heston, and maybe even before K-Mart, it becomes a lot better. It's just too long for someone who admits to not being good on structure; by the end that's what brings it down.

But despite all that, I still rate it very highly, because the man got it made, and it got a pretty decent release considering it's a documentary here, and an even more decent one in the States. And the interview with Richard Nichol (sp? name?) was just scary.

"I mean, you've got to be careful. There are loonies out there."
 
 
Ethan Hawke
14:28 / 29.11.02
part of the problem with the reception the film is getting/has got from people who aren't already sympathetic to the causes Moore champions is that he, himself in interviews is much less subtle and knowledgable than the film itself is. To break down the dichotomy, we have Michael Moore as a public figure going on talk shows saying a handgun ban in the answer, while his movie (whatever he intended) is much more ambivalent about the possibility that such a ban would do anythign to stop the violence in America.

I'll say it again - "Bowling for Columbine" isn't about guns - it's about American fear and violence, and to let both the liberal and conservatice media transform the movie into a simple screed (or agument) about gun control is missing the point. I'm not sure Moore even knows what kind of movie he made.
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
18:58 / 29.11.02
I've just got back from seeing this, and I'm still chewing over several points raised by Moore, and the manner in which he tackled his subject matter. For those who have yet to see it, the film seemed to flit between portraying an image of a frightened nation being spoon fed hyperbole in order for Congress to administer otherwise questionable domestic or foreign policy, and an almost personal hounding of the NRA, and, specifically, of their chairman Mr Heston (not necessarily a bad thing, now I consider it).

Certainly the views of the cinema were fairly clear, with ripples of laughter as Moore treated us to one insecure 'merican after another, although his result of having KMart cease their sale in ammunition - even though it was more due to unwanted media attention than it was to any degree of conscience on the part of KMart - elicited a small applause.

My own view that Moore's film was - to an extent - preaching to the converted. That is of course no reason for it not to have been made, but nonetheless I felt at times that the tales of the damage wrought by frightened and armed 'mericans were designed not so much to teach or educate, but to reinforce the notion amongst those who already agree that America's gun love affair is...well not a very good thing really.
 
 
Gary Lactus
11:51 / 05.12.02
Good point about preaching to the converted,Tezcatlipoca . I thought the film could be a very powerful and important piece if seen by the right people. In England the film was mainly shown in art house cinemas to art house audiences. I'd like very much to know what sort of distribution Bowling For Columbine recieved in the USA. Probably much the same as here but I like to think it ruffled a few feathers.
 
 
grant
14:47 / 06.12.02
Oddly, I missed it during its two or three weeks at the local mall multiplex.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:56 / 06.12.02
Contrary to popular belief, Terri isn't Steve's Wife. I am. I am Steve's Wife.

His WIFE!
 
 
bjacques
12:59 / 09.12.02
Is that a MODERAN (David R. Bunch) reference?

There's some great gun control humor in the 1974 movie The President's Analyst. A suburban liberal explains to Lee Marvin that he packs a gun to defend agaisnt right-wing extremists, and that the liberal extremists will only disarm when the other extremists do so. Later he tells his son that "no, Billy, that's the CAR gun. The HOUSE guns goes in the HOUSE and the CAR gun goes in the CAR!"
 
 
Shortfatdyke
14:19 / 28.12.02
I'll start out by stating that I actually really like guns. Target shooting is one of my favourite pastimes - as long as the target is not a living thing. That said, I thought this was a very good film, both hilarious and depressing. Michael Moore seemed to get more and more pissed off as the film went on, more horrified the more he learnt. He seemed genuinely upset, bewildered as to why the country he was born in is so aggressive. Most impressive person interviewed had to be Marilyn Manson; when asked what he would say to the students of Columbine he replied, "I wouldn't say anything. I'd listen...."

I do think guns should be banned, though - apart from all the other factors that makes people violent, if you can't get hold of a gun, you can't shoot someone.
 
 
rhedking
01:40 / 30.12.02
...long time listener, first time caller...

I just saw the movie a today and I think Mr. Moore did a good job with the documentary. While it was obvious what his particular stance was, he did a good job of NOT giving answers...leaving the audience with something to think about. He wasnt trying to solve our problems....the first step in fixing anything is to recognize their is a problem, which is what he was trying to to for his audience.

Why are so full of fear? Why do white people get filled with fear when a black man walks by them? Why is everything we hear and see in some form of warning or danger? Why are we bombarded with images of violence when crime statisics are going down?

Personally I have to agree with Mr. Manson, sorta. Manson thinks that fear is used to control people into buying things...I think fear is used to control the nation and make it easier for things like police-run states to occur....but that's me.

As far as Clinton....while Mr. Moore didnt give him credit for the wellfare reforms of the mid-90's, he at least made it clear that Clinton was responsible for the most bombings in Croatia the same day of Columbine events.
 
 
Peach Pie
20:04 / 31.03.03
personally, i think this film is up there with the shawshank redemption.
 
 
PatrickMM
01:14 / 12.06.04
Saw it for the first time yesterday, and was a bit disappointed. The film raises some interesting issues, but at times Moore comes off like he can't understand anyone who won't listen to his points.

The scene that annoyed me the most was when he was asking a news reporter why they're not covering the pollution on the news. First off, what's the guy supposed to say? He probably doesn't choose what to report on, and second, they couldn't exactly do a news report every day about pollution, there has to be some coverage of new events, and yet Moore gave the impression that crime shouldn't be covered, they should just report on pollution and other social wrongs. It was idealist in a really narrowminded way.

The K-Mart scene felt like bullying, and featured no attempt at providing any sort of debate. It was just so saccharine, "You've got to save the children!" There was no attempt to persuade them, other than, look at the wounds, this kid's been shot. Plus, returning the bullets is such a dumb concept, clearly designed solely to get media attention, and precluding any sort of real debate.

Another part that bothered me was when he seemed to blame rich white people eating at restaurants for the welfare status of the poor black woman. There was one line, something like she spent her life serving rich white people, which just felt unneccesarily aggressive. Dick Clark's seemed to be a mid-price level restaurant, I don't think people who eat there are causing the decline of civilization, in fact, without them, that woman would have no job. I'm sure Moore himself has had quite a few fancy dinners, so villifying the people who eat at this mid-level establishment seemed a bit too much.

His basic points on the news creating an aura of fear in the US, and the out of control nature of guns are all very valid, it's just he told things in such a sensationalist style, there was no real debate, it was too much posturing from Moore.
 
  
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