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House Grants Bush Authority To Attack Iraq

 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:48 / 10.10.02
This just in, from the NY Times:

October 10, 2002
House Passes Iraq Resolution With 296 to 133 Vote
By CARLA BARANAUCKAS


ringing the United States a step closer to the possibility of war, the House voted 296 to 133 this afternoon to give President Bush the authority to use military force against Iraq.

The resolution gives Mr. Bush the authority to use military force as he determines is appropriate to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq" and to "enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions against Iraq."

Speaking at the White House, President Bush said the House vote was something "that all Americans can be proud of."

"The House of Representatives has spoken clearly to the world and to the United Nations Security Council," Mr. Bush said. "The gathering threat of Iraq must be confronted fully and finally.

"Today's vote also sends a clear message to the Iraqi regime. It must disarm and comply with all existing U.N. resolutions or it will be forced to comply. There are no other options for the Iraqi regime. There can be no negotiations. The days of Iraq acting as an outlaw state are coming to an end."

In the House vote, Republicans overwhelmingly backed the resolution, with 215 voting yes. They were joined by 81 Democrats, including the House Democratic leader, Richard Gephardt. Voting no were 126 Democrats, 6 Republicans and 1 independent.

Mr. Bush also said he was pleased with the progress being made in the Senate on the resolution.

Earlier in the day, the Senate voted, 75 to 25, to limit debate on the resolution, meaning a vote could come as early as this evening or by early Friday.

Debate on the resolution, which was sought by President Bush, has been tinged with memories of the terrorist attacks on the United States last year as well as previous wars.

In an address to the nation on Monday night, Mr. Bush said that President Saddam Hussein of Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological weapons, and was seeking nuclear weapons. In addition, Iraq has blocked United Nations inspectors from visiting to determine the type of weapons Iraq is maintaining.

"As a free society we have to defeat dangers before they ripen," Mr. Bush said. "The war on terrorism will be fought here at home unless we summon the will to confront evil before it attacks."

Representative Charles B. Rangel, Democrat of New York, invoked the Korean War, noting that Congress had never voted on that conflict. He said he had pledged to veterans of the Korean War that he would never "delegate the responsibility of considering the danger of war."

"I won't leave it to the president, unless he brings me evidence that we are in danger," Mr. Rangel said. "I won't give it to the United Nations because I don't believe that this sacred responsibility should be transferred."

Expressing concern that an attack on Iraq could unravel the coalition that is fighting terrorism, Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said: "The clear and present danger that our country faces is terrorism. I say flat out that unilateral use of force without first exhausting every diplomatic remedy and other remedies and making a case to the American people will be harmful to our war on terrorism."

In an unusual moment that put two frequent opponents on the same side of an issue the Republican whip and the House Democratic leader both spoke in favor of the resolution at the end of the debate.

The Republican whip, Representative Tom DeLay of Texas, said: "As a free society we have to defeat dangers before they ripen. The war on terrorism will be fought here at home unless we summon the will to confront evil before it attacks."

The House Democratic leader, Representative Richard Gephardt of Missouri, said: "Saddam Hussein's track record is too compelling to ignore. And we know that he continues to develop weapons of mass destruction including nuclear devices. And he may soon have the ability to have a nuclear weapon against other nations.

"I believe we have an obligation to protect the United States by preventing him from getting these weapons and either using them himself or passing them or their components on to terrorists who share his destructive intent."

The Senate's cloture vote came after the majority leader, Senator Tom Daschle of South Dakota, announced from the Senate floor that he was supporting the resolution. "For me, the deciding factor is my belief that a united Congress will help the president unite the world," Senator Daschle said. "And by uniting the world we can increase the world's chances of succeeding in this effort and reduce both the risks and the costs that America may have to bear."

Senator Daschle had been one of the last holdouts among Democratic leaders, and he said he decided to support the resolution after revisions were made to the original proposal.

"Because this resolution is improved and because I believe that Saddam Hussein represents a real threat and because I believe it is important for America to speak with one voice at this critical moment I will vote to give the president the authority he needs," Mr. Daschle said. "But I respect those who reach different conclusions."

Senator Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia had led the effort to delay a Senate vote until next week.

Earlier in the day, the White House press secretary, Ari Fleischer, commented on the expectation that the resolution would be passed.

"The president has made no decisions about what the next step would be," Mr. Fleischer said. "Clearly, we will continue to talk to the United Nations about the inspection process. And that's where the matter currently stands."


Sigh.

It's an inevitable now, eh?
 
 
MJ-12
21:03 / 10.10.02
Now?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
21:16 / 10.10.02
I still have a little bit of hope and naivete left in me. I was hoping maybe it would be shot down in Congress.

(shakes head)

I don't know what to say.
 
 
Slim
21:19 / 10.10.02
"Fuck you, Bush!"

That's what works for me.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
13:41 / 11.10.02
Well, fuck them then. They might as well close themselves down the arsebiscuits, why they want to pretend to be a democracy when they're giving all their power to Bush, dumb tossers.
 
 
rizla mission
14:19 / 11.10.02
ah, fuck.
 
 
Baz Auckland
14:28 / 11.10.02
At least he and Gulliani didnt win the peace prize. That was a scary thought.

In Today's News: US Has Plan For New Military Government in Iraq

For Chrissakes...
 
 
Baz Auckland
14:29 / 11.10.02
Wrong link I think, but that's Yahoo's fault. The story's in their news section.
 
 
w1rebaby
15:40 / 11.10.02
This one, I think?

"I am viscerally opposed to a prolonged occupation of a Muslim country at the heart of the Muslim world by Western nations who proclaim the right to re- educate that country," former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said during Senate hearings last month.

Christ on a frigging bicycle. I'm on the same side as Henry Kissinger. How can anyone think this is a good idea?

What I would really like was if this was all a ploy and, at the last minute, he'll say "Hmm, in the end we're not going to do this" so that everyone is so grateful they'll love him. I might skip the "loving him" part.
 
 
cusm
15:58 / 11.10.02
Well, its not *quite* like the senate granting the emperor temporary emergency military powers...
 
 
Harold Washington died for you
16:01 / 11.10.02
The best part is Bush comparing his actions to Kennedy in the Cuban Missile Crisis.
 
 
MJ-12
16:16 / 11.10.02
In Today's News: US Has Plan For New Military Government in Iraq

In all fairness there are worse alternatives.
 
 
gridley
20:49 / 11.10.02
I watched Hillary giving her speech in support of Bush and the war effort on C-Span with great amazement. She seemed so passionate about going to war with Iraq that I almost forgot to wonder when she's up for re-election again...
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
00:11 / 12.10.02
And I pull the drawstring on the canvas bag on my head just a liiiitle bit tighter...

It's sad, really. I started to become more politically aware at just the wrong time. Now, I feel so hopelessly helpless about the state of the world and where this country in particular is going that I just want to curl up in a corner and stop thinking about it. If there ever was anything that a single person could do to have any impact in preventing shit like this, that time is quickly passing, it seems. That bag of ass Bush is just going to keep plowing ahead until he's fucked us all. And the majority of America is going to just keep smiling and applauding his every move until we all drown in the shit he's created...

Nothing original, I realize. Just venting. And despairing.
 
 
tango88
03:34 / 12.10.02
In Today's News: US Has Plan For New Military Government in Iraq


The same problem as in the Gulf War - whoever takes over from Saddam is likely to be worse. The solution at that time was to leave him in power, after all his country was fucked and he was neutralised as a threat to Kuwait/US interests.

Years later, Saddam is even less of a threat than after the Gulf War. he can't even scratch his nuts without a report landing on the president's desk. But the conservatives have a new plan - American occupation of a Middle Eastern country. It goes without saying that this is a very very bad idea.

But it gets worse, I seriously believe that the US is going to use small scale nuclear weapons to attack Iraq and maybe even drop one on the S-man's palace. They have been floating the idea in the press,(for example:http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa083102a.htm) and claiming that nukes are no different from conventional weapons. (However, if Saddam, that "bad man" uses them, they become weapons of mass destruction.)

=>On June 17, 2002, the United States officially withdrew from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty. In announcing the end of the famous Cold War-era treaty, President Bush stated, "As the events of September 11 made clear, we no longer live in the Cold War world for which the ABM Treaty was designed,"

When I was last in the US in November 01, some redneck had a fifteen foot sign in his front yard which read "Nuke the bastards!". It looks like Billy-Joe might get his wish.
 
 
Baz Auckland
13:36 / 12.10.02
The thought of nuclear weapons scares the living hell out of me. Goddamn it. Instead of going on about "giving democracy to the Iraqi people" I wish they would just say "we want a friendly dictator again"
 
 
Ganesh
15:11 / 12.10.02
When someone first showed me this I wasn't sure whether or not it was satire. Now, it seems particularly slim satire...
 
 
nutella23
15:16 / 12.10.02
And what's going on at the UN? Are inspectors going to be sent back in or not? I thought that's what it was all hinging on at this point...Or does it even matter anymore?
 
 
Hieronymus
20:32 / 12.10.02
This seems to be the latest on what the blue hats are doing.

And this makes me absolutely sick.

Can someone tell me what the draw is to Iraq? Surely it's not something as petty as old vendettas (they must not have been THAT important if they left Hussein in power when Bush Sr left). I read somewhere that Iraq's oil reserves are second only to Saudi Arabia's? Does anybody have any info on that?

God. I cannot believe this is happening.
 
 
tango88
02:26 / 13.10.02
Some people say that the 'draw' is the oil but personally, I think it has more to do with spheres of influence. The US government is helping to prop up the Saudis and the smaller Gulf states, Kuwait is on their side. Recently, they gave 2 billion in aid to Egypt. Iraq is one of the states that doesn't play ball. From one point of view, with a bit of manipulation, the Middle East is ripe for the picking.

For an ultra conservative view on things, go to http://www.newamericancentury.org/
 
 
tango88
02:36 / 13.10.02
I just noticed one more thing- one the website I gave above check out the definition that they give for (US global) leadership:

The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle...


Note the order: military strength first, diplomacy second, moral principles last.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
06:29 / 13.10.02
OK...for the oil info...

Over the last couple of years, France and Russia have been working pretty hard on getting the rights to Iraq's oil, which as stated above is second only to Saudi Arabia's. If they get the oil, there is very little chance that the oil will be going to US countries.

Now, my opinion...there was a HUGE rush by the Bush Administration to get this issue front and center in August, and they have kept trying to tie it to Al Qaeda, even when the CIA of all people says there in no connection. The push to get this resolved before the election makes me think, very cynically, that this whole issue might just start to fade away on November 5th, the day after the midterm election.

At least until 2004, when the resolution that Congress passed will STILL be in effect. Maybe I'm just getting too cynical, but it seems that the Bush people have learned that when they are at war, people support them, so why not make the US under a constant atmosphere of war?
 
 
grant
12:37 / 03.12.02
rstevens of diesel sweeties has his own theory about America's aggression against Iraq....
 
 
Enamon
02:08 / 04.12.02
I can honestly say that one way or another the U.S. administrators will definately go to war with Mesopotamia.

Err....

I mean Iraq.
 
 
grant
15:27 / 04.12.02
in the mailbox this morning:
Dear MoveOn member,

Inspections in Iraq have started. Most of us
breathed a sigh of
relief. Unfortunately, it's become clear that
the ultra-hawks in
the Bush administration -- Cheney, Wolfowitz,
Perle -- will not
take yes for an answer. While the rest of the
world thinks Iraq
has backed down, these men are beginning a
massive public relations
blitz for war.

With the possibility of a peaceful resolution to
this crisis at hand,
we cannot allow a few men to push the world to
war. Send a message
to President Bush to let the inspections work at:

http://www.moveon.org/winwithoutwar/

We'll compile your messages and present them to
the Administration,
including Secretary of State Powell, and to U.N.
Secretary General
Kofi Annan.

The good news is that the ultra-hawks face some
serious opposition.
Secretary of State Colin Powell and other members
of the Bush
Administration are willing to give diplomacy a
chance, and the State
Department's interpretation of the U.N.
resolution is a lot more
reasonable than the White House's interpretation.

But unless wiser heads prevail, this is what we
should expect:
(1) starting December 8th, members of the Bush
administration will
claim that Iraq is in material breach of the U.N.
resolution, citing
supposed omissions in the coming multi-hundred
page report, based on
undisclosed intelligence; (2) soon thereafter
some "hot" incident,
like anti-aircraft fire on U.S. patrols in the
no-fly zone, will be
used to solidify public support for war, and
finally (3) the bombing
campaign will begin.

This could all begin before Christmas -- another
wonderful gift to
the world from the Bush administration.

President Bush has agreed that war should be the
very last resort.
Let's hold him and his administration to those
words:

http://www.moveon.org/winwithoutwar/

Please sign on today. We must support policy
makers who will oppose
these few extremists in the Bush White House who
have been looking
for an excuse for war from the very beginning.

Sincerely,

--Eli Pariser
International Campaigns Director
MoveOn.org
December 4th, 2002


Took me about five minutes to write a note to append to the top of the form letter. I ripped off Bill Hicks' "Shane" routine, but hey, I doubt Dubya's staffers are fans.
 
 
w1rebaby
17:59 / 04.12.02
Back on the War Against Terrier, Bush has granted the CIA permission to legally kill any US citizen, or anyone else, linked to al-Qaida anywhere in the world.
 
 
Enamon
18:42 / 04.12.02
Now all we have to do is link Bush to Al Qaeda...
 
 
Baz Auckland
10:51 / 05.12.02
I thought they did that already... Hey! Does this mean we have Reagan, et al. killed too?
 
  
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