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Gnostic Sophia

 
 
Tamayyurt
23:18 / 03.10.02
Some one asked me about this the other day and I realized I don't know much about it (except that the name means wisdom). Can you guys give me a run down on Sophia or provide good links about this. I tried Google and came up rather short. Anything will be helpful seeing as how I don't know anything.
 
 
JoeCrow
08:24 / 04.10.02
Not-So-Short Overview: Gnostic cosmology is based on the idea of the universe being created by Ialdabaoth, the Demi-Urge (known to us as YHVH/Jehovah/Big Daddy/etc.). The Demi-Urge is usually depicted as a slightly retarded and somewhat malevolent servant of the "Alien God", an indescribable supreme being of pure spirit. The Demi-Urge creates the universe in clumsy imitation of his patron, and does a hack job of it, (thus explaining all the bad stuff that happens in it: puppies dying, country music, the Black Death, The Anna Nicole Show, all that stuff). In the process, the Demi-Urge manages to trap part of the Alien God's essence in his universe. Accounts differ as to whether this was deliberate or accidental, depending largely on the weight one places on retarded vs. malevolent in Demi's description. For that matter, accounts also differ as to whether Demi created the universe or swiped it from the Boss. Theology's like that.

Anyway. The essence of the Alien God, trapped in the material world, manifests itself as the human race, or rather as the soul of the human race, wrapped in the icky stuff of materiality. This is Sophia, the Daughter of Wisdom, blinded by the material world and tormented by Ialdabaoth, on account of he's a dick like that. Ialdabaoth tells poor deluded Sophia that he created her, and that she deserves all the bad stuff coz she's bad. Whole Wrathful God trip, Old Testament stylee, doncha know. Some folks claim that Sophia is a later arrival, sent to rescue the fragments of the Alien God from bondage, but that she got lost in the material world.

Either way, she's stuck here. So Alien God sends a messenger into the world to wake her up and show her the way out. This messenger is usually seen as Yeshua ben Yoseph, this Jewish carpenter dude, but is also occasionally seen as Lucifer. Sometimes both. The messenger is here to remind Sophia of her origins beyond the world, and show her how to escape from the prison of existence.

Basically, Sophia is the divine spark within us all that yearns to return to her father outside the universe.
 
 
Sebastian
12:04 / 04.10.02
In-te-res-ting, if you ask me.

Any bibliograhpical resources you can point for heavy readers?????
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
12:34 / 04.10.02
Believe it or not, there's a pretty interesting gnostic community in alt.somethingorother on google groups. Search on Katherine Tredwell and on Dreamsnake, another name she uses. She's a historian at... University of Oklahoma? Somewhere like that. Specializes in the history of science, but has helped me trace mythological traits & characters & such. Actually, she'd probably be an interesting addition to Barbelith.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
17:18 / 04.10.02
Huh. I wonder if someone should send her an invitation.
 
 
grant
17:58 / 04.10.02
Synchronicity: I was just reading over this site yesterday. It's got plenty on Sophia.

As a note, "Sophia" can be translated into "Wisdom," and may or may not be a stand-in for the figure of God in the Biblical Book of Proverbs (also called the Book of Wisdom).
 
 
Tamayyurt
19:34 / 04.10.02
Thanks for all the info.
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
20:44 / 04.10.02
"Tell me you've read VALIS..."
 
 
Seth
22:30 / 04.10.02
Big synchronicities for exp. Possibly more to post when I'm not wankered out of my wooden skull.
 
 
at the scarwash
04:35 / 05.10.02
The Gnostic Scriptures Bently Layton, ed. Doubleday. New York, 1987.

Jonas, Hans. The Gnostic Religion: The Message of the Alien God & the Beginnings of Christianity. Beacon Press. (Out of Print)

Sophia is most properly an aspect of the Valentinian School of Gnosticism, of, I believe the third century C.E., based in Alexandria. Sophia, divine wisdom, was the emanation of the (Godhead) that, by her very nature, desired to truly comprehend her Father, the unknowable One, the so-called Alien God. This desire caused discord in the Pleroma (fullness). Because this impossible quest for understanding (absofuckinglutly unknowable, see) disrupted the balance of the One and his emanations, a figure known as the Horos (limit or boundary) cast the desiring portion of Sophia outside of the fullness, into the nothing.

Now, that nothing wasn't so much nothing anymore, as there was something in it. This aborted something is known as Achamoth, or Sophia Achamoth, the lesser Sophia. In the darkness of the comsos, this aborted part of the true Godhead (Oneness-->>Sophia-->>Achamoth) weeped and wailed and laughed and raged. She didn't know where she was, or what she'd been thrown out of, but she felt that she'd been severed from something. From her passions formed the Demiurge, who not knowing his provenance, believed himself the Highest. From what was left of the passions of his unknown mother, the Demiurge shaped the archons, and together with them, the furniture of the cosmos. As all of the raw materials of creation come from Achamoth, they contain a spark of the Godhead. Mr. Unknowable, pitying his poor granddaughter (if no one minds my personifying them), sent another part of himself, the Christ from the Pleroma into the cosmos to save as much of creation as possible, freeing these sparks of divinity to return to our rightful place as part of what's really real.

Fucking Gnostics. All these abstractions.
 
 
Seth
10:28 / 05.10.02
Is there a connection between Sophia and Isis?

I've been enjoying The Thunder, Perfect Mind, which appears to be a poetic description of Sophia. Right?
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:57 / 05.10.02
yeah, I've read Valis but I didn't want to get information from, you know, fiction even though Dick knows his shit!

I don't know about Isis, but I know there's a connection with Athena
 
 
penitentvandal
08:43 / 06.10.02
(off topic) How the hell can you guys get italics in yer posts? Tell me! I'm sick of having to resort to SHOUTING when I want to EMPHASISE something? (/off topic)
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
11:20 / 06.10.02
"<" "i" ">" your text here "<" "/" "i" ">"
 
 
penitentvandal
15:21 / 06.10.02
Like this?
 
 
Sirhan Sirhan Solo
19:35 / 06.10.02
The Gnostic Friends Network is a good starting reference point, without the archaic language, and with a healthy dose of humor.
 
 
The Dadaist
01:00 / 10.10.02
Sophia:



 
 
grant
17:25 / 10.10.02
I was inaccurate earlier - Wisdom is a *separate* book from Proverbs, although both are thought by some to address Sophia.
Wisdom is a "deuterocanonical book," part of the Catholic Bible, but not the Protestant (they view it as Apocrypha).
If you'd like to know more, have a read-through of the Douay-Rheims version.
 
 
Seth
00:08 / 11.10.02
...And You Will Know Her By The Fucking Freaky-Assed Eyes All Over Her Tits
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
19:47 / 31.10.02
Just readin about a group of Gnostics known as the Simonites I baelieve (based on Simon Magus) that believed that Sophia was drawn down to earth, imprisonned in a human body and forced to service a whorehouse.

That's wild.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
20:34 / 31.10.02
Sounds alleg-whore-ical to me.

Sorry.
 
 
cusm
20:42 / 31.10.02
Ok, the Dadist's image has me wondering now. Who was the Greek diety who was covered by eyes? I believe their job was to guard the golden apples.
 
 
Logos
00:33 / 01.11.02
Argus.
 
 
cusm
01:22 / 01.11.02
Right, the peacock! Thanks, Logos.
 
  
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