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Notes to League of Extraordinary Gentlemen v2 #3 are up

 
 
jjnevins
17:56 / 25.09.02
Here, and mirrored here.

In case anybody is curious what the references are to....

jess
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
22:14 / 29.09.02
I've just bought & read the first 3 issues of vol 2. Am I a slave of prevailing memes in seeing some sort of commentary on 9/11 in the Horsell scenes?
 
 
The Natural Way
08:31 / 30.09.02
Weeell...they are pretty much lifted from the book. Probably just a coincidence.
 
 
sleazenation
10:09 / 30.09.02
sop has anyone got a link for a comprehensive translation of what the aliens are saying in vol2 issue 1?

I've worked out a few (mostly alien swaering and saying "look!") but i'm curious as to the others
 
 
The Natural Way
10:15 / 30.09.02
Nevins misses the nod to 'Springfield'. I mean, where else are you going to find a talking cat?
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
13:00 / 30.09.02
It might not have been coincidence that he chose to lift them, "Mars" being the planet of war & all.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
16:37 / 30.09.02
I'm loving this title. I find it far, far superior to the first book. It's achieving something rare in comics - a genuinely new sensual aesthetic. It's not so much the appearance of the art that does this; rather the sum of all the techniques (widescreen panels, splash pages, grids, 'instances' in time perfectly captured by O' Neill (and obviously perfectly described by Moore)and the rather queasy, nightmarish atmosphere that these techniques, coupled with the storyline, create.

It's like a bad fuckin dream.

The sense of disorientation and helplessness is extreme. Mina's beating, with no hand to rescue her (reminiscent of w.men's Silk Spectre rape scene - except hope was always present in Watchmen's slab of utopia: if you remember, the Executioner entered stage left), and an invisible one striking her; the precise micro-narrative of the League is revealed.

They're all in shock. Mr. Hyde seems somehow pathetic, impotent and how about that coachman: a golem of war, he reeks of brutal british imperial violence.

O'Neils artwork is a revalation: he should win every possible award for this work. SAmefor the colouring - It's one of the rare occasions where I could say that the colouring has seriously enhaced the art - a crucial element of the storytelling.

This is an exercise in Craft which perhaps vindicates the existence of the production line technique created by the majors - a true collaboration that may be considered a rival to works of sequential art by one creator.

The coolected hardback of this fucker is going to be one beautiful book.

To get back to my original point: reading this book gives me a sensation of interactivity I have not felt before (but this is passive interaction compared to the Invisibles (a website?)) - it's close to the experince of watching a film in a big dark cinema - perhaps it's the feeling Paul Pope was trying to describe with his tagline for 100%:

A graphic movie: yes - the dumbest descriptive term I've heard for a while but I think I know what he means since LOEGpt.2 came out.
 
 
The Natural Way
18:43 / 30.09.02
Yes. This is good. I feel exactly the same way.

Can't be asked to check, but did Mr. Nevins also miss the "Lebowski" reference?

"We don't know if his ancestors amounted to much [or whatever]..."

Priceless. And dead on.

Looks like the beardy one doesn't watch Buffy. The prat.

Great to see you, Yawn. Where have you been?
 
 
The Natural Way
18:47 / 30.09.02
Sorry. He did pick up on it. Superb.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
19:08 / 30.09.02
hi runce - good to see you too.

I've been in Ibiza watching the final death throes of qlubbin'.

Horrific sight.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:00 / 01.10.02
Yeah. Weird background noise in San Antonio - sounds like football chanting. Fucking hate that place.

There's quite a nice beach party scene if you look for it, tho'.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:42 / 01.10.02
I was genuinely interested in cataloguing the half-dead corpse of ‘corporate I beef ar’ rather than catching the new ‘scene’. I also wanted to stop taking chemicals and bring an end to my clubbing era and thought I should do this with a night in Pasha on E.

I am now all set for:Low fi weirdness.

Sorry everyone – major thread rot.
 
 
glassonion
18:51 / 01.10.02
ah it's nice though. runce's brother alan and i have spent all week so far gushing about this comic book, and those annotations are equally fucking brilliant. moore should have mr. nevins in all his books quicksmart. i feel with the online annotations the whole reading experience has become very new and very nice. and have you noticed, most amazo of all - IT'S ON TIME
 
 
CameronStewart
20:33 / 01.10.02
I reckon O'Neill's been working on this since right after the last one finished - so he's had plenty of time to get them "in the can" to avoid delay...
 
 
The Natural Way
07:40 / 02.10.02
...uuuhhh...how many years ago was that?
 
 
Jack Fear
14:42 / 07.10.02
In re: the Appendix: anybody else ever read The Dictionary of Imaginary Places, edited by Gianni Guadalupi and Alberto Manguel? Because in light of that remarkable document, there are large section of the Appendix which seem.... hm. Predictable. Familiar, even.

In fact, while I have noooooo doubt whatsoever that Alan Moore has indeed reead every single one of the books he references, cover-to-cover, it has also occurred to me that even an undereducated layman like meself could, in a couple of afternoons, knock off a document rather like the LoEG2 Appendix simply by cutting and pasting chunks of the Dictionary.

Not that Mr. Moore would ever ever ever do such a thing.

Lead story is fucking ripping, though. The major difference this time is that the plot and its complications seem to be growing more organically out of the characters--and they are full-fledged characters now, rather than gimmicks or devices, which is something that I thought hurt the first series--a certain emotional distance.

The assault on Mina was as horrible as it was because we felt for her, and knew the depths of his wickedness. Quatermain is floundering, uncertain--in his innate decency he can hardly understand the magnitude of the horror that's upon him. Nemo's pessimism and ferocity will have to win the day (this is war, remember).

And Hyde's ferocity? Hyde's got a more personal agenda, I reckon. He's being set up as a sort of love-struck avenging angel, isn't he? It'll be bad for Griffin: remember, as established in the first series, Hyde can see Griffin (his heat patterns, anyway) but Griffin doesn't know that--though I think he suspects.

Griffin's in for it, though: either the Martians will betray him, or Hyde will eat his entrails in a way we'll all enjoy. The sheer burning hatred in his pronouncement, "He was here. He was naked." --god, my stomach twisted, reading that. Edward Hyde, from sociopath to Wrong Bastard: transformed by the simple act of daring to allow himself to love someone. Just great.

Can't wait for the next 'un.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:45 / 07.10.02
I take it people picked up on the reference in the appendix to 'Hyde Park', formerly Serpentine Park and renamed after Hyde following the "events" of 1898?

Something tells me Hyde won't make it out of this alive either, but he may well die saving the world.
 
 
Jack Fear
19:25 / 07.10.02
Imagine the memorial: on the green, near the Boating Pond, a huge bronze statue of this slavering monstrosity, with the tender inscription

Our Eternal Gratitude
EDWARD HYDE
"You sky-wog bastards! I'll EAT you!"
REQUESCIAT IN PACEM
 
 
jjnevins
13:01 / 13.10.02
Sleazenation--What translation has been done on the dialogue appears on my site. As far as I know nobody has comprehensively translated it, no. If you've got suggestions for what I missed, I'd like to read them.

Marrynce--I didn't miss the reference. I just thought it was to MULBERRY STREET, rather than THE CAT IN THE HAT. My mistake, per Todd Klein. And of COURSE I didn't miss the Lebowski reference. I mean, sheesh! Give me *some* credit.

Glassonion--thanks. The book of the annotations, when it comes out next May, should be pretty damn good, too. The revised annotations have turned out quite well, and Moore's commentary on the annotations and my interview with him should be good. And, since Titan is interested, there should be a British edition of the book to go with an American edition. (And possibly a Spanish edition, too, but we'll see.)

Jack Fear--Moore has not, as it turns out, read all the works in question. He relied on Guadalupi & Manguel, among other works, to put together the Appendix. And, yeah, an uneducated layman -could- do that--but nobody thought of it until Moore did it. And I doubt an uneducated layman could do it quite as well as Moore did, or put that distinctive Moorean twist on Alice Liddell's fate.
 
 
The Natural Way
16:09 / 13.10.02
Didn't mean to insult you!

But what about SPRINGFIELD? The Simpsons......
 
 
jjnevins
12:53 / 14.10.02
Sorry, I have it on very good authority (*very* good authority) that it's not a Simpsons reference. Theodore Geisel was from Springfield, Massachusetts, and Moore thought it fitting that the Cat in the Hat (which he thought Lovecraftian and creepy enough to put in LoEG) should saunter down Mulberry Street in Springfield. No Simpsons tie there, sorry.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:26 / 14.10.02
Rrrg. Damn you and yr friends in high places!
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:31 / 14.10.02
accepted. but if you subscribe to Moore's ideaspace concept, the 'Springfield Simpson's' notion is situated very close to the 'official' reference you have annotated.

The Simpsons is such a massive human idea that it inhabits many locations within the ideaspace.

me? pedantic? yeah, but there's worse.
 
 
jjnevins
17:31 / 14.10.02
Well, yes, but I'm a believer in that quaint and outdated notion of "authorial intent." Endless interpretations can be made, but in this case the author's own is most important.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
19:06 / 14.10.02
'spek jj, 'spek.
 
  
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