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John Pilger - FLYBOY this one's for you

 
 
angel
08:22 / 25.09.02
Flyboy, curiously after our chat last night about John Pilger and his origins, I stumbled over a profile piece on him in the Big Issue - London (23-29 September No. 507).

The piece is located on the back page and is quite interesting, although not hugely in depth mostly due to space restrictions I suspect.

You might even be able to find The Big Issue online, but I haven't had a chance to look.

Hope this is of interest.
 
 
illmatic
10:28 / 25.09.02
Did anyone see the Pilger doc lat week? I guess this is what you were discussing. There was a follow up piece in The Guardian (weird, "why wasn't it in The Daily Mail)a few days ago mentioning the predictable barrage of hate mail he's recieved in response. Even some Carlton bigwig (Michael Green?) gave the film a slamming. Makes you wondered if any of the bastards actually watched it. Maybe I'm being deliberately blind but how could you watch that and not feel some empathy?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:59 / 25.09.02
Pilger's piece in The Guardian: 'Why my film is under fire'.

Just to demonstrate that the Guardian isn't as rapidly and one-sidedly anti-Israel as some have alleged, a response by Stephen Pollard, 'Massacre of the truth' was published the next day.

What's fascinating about this is that the two pieces offer such clashing views on the nature of media coverage of the Middle East in the UK and Europe... Both see the media as massively biased to the point of exclusion of almost all dissenting voices - but they differ as to which view is portrayed, pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian.

Also of interest may be the various views and responses that have been found in the paper's letters pages this week so far: Monday, Tuesday, today. I'll have to come back later to discuss the issues raised, as my lunch break is about to end... But I'd be interested to know what people think is the truth about, say, the BBC's coverage of Israel and Palestine. I also want to talk about Pilger's general style and strategy, the strengths and weaknesses thereof, etc...
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
13:39 / 25.09.02
The links I could find are wank, but two weekends ago, I went to the MCA here in Sydney; there's a touring exhibition of photographs by photographers who've accompanied Pilger on his excursions. The shots were chosen by him and he wrote a new couple of pars about each. Heavy stuff, although some of the impact was lessened by the gallery atmosphere, and the loss of the way they were presented - it seemed less direct, curiously.

My take on Pilger is that he's very much "respected Journalist/Journalist of the year John Pilger", and that that sort of familiarity can get in the way of the reading, in the same way that a George Monbiot piece is really a George MOnbiot piece, not a piece on subject x. I need to read more Pilger; there's a couple of books of his here at my parents' house - might knock one over this weekend and let you know what I think. I'm shamefully ignorant of his stuff, but it seems that the consensus is that his Statements have Gravity, and he's the only one Telling It Like It Is. Usual foreign correspondent hype.

Right. Will shut it now.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:43 / 25.09.02
I read Pollard's piece which seemed to suggest that Palestinian massacres never occur but if they did, they still wouldn't matter. And his arguing over what the BBC call the terrorists is just daft and presumerably to fill a few paragraphs of space, at no point do the BBC even pretend that they are nice people.
 
 
GreenMann
12:03 / 26.09.02
Probably because he earned international credibility decades ago for his investigative journalism, Pilger is not afraid to let the cat out of the bag+expose the pro-Israel mafia.

With the US media in their pocket, powerful Jewish+Israeli lobby groups have now been working on the already right-dominated British media with some success (not too difficult i suppose). As Pilger points out, most of the UK media (a handful of multinational organisations) now gets its vocabulary straight from the Israeli government, e.g. "Terrorism" = armed Palestinian resistance against Israeli occupation; "targetted killings" = murder of Palestinian political activists and (usually) many passers by; Israeli army "incursion" = (illegal) Israeli army invasion of Palestinian territory etc..

The fact that in the last 2 years almost as many Palestinians have been killed by the Israelis as those who died on September the 11th has been totally ignored by the British media. In the last month alone, 100 Palestinians have been murdered (oops ... i mean of course "targetted") by the Israeli army. Although Panorama had the courage to commemorate the 1983 massacre of around 3,000 women, children+elderly people overseen by Ariel "Butcher" Sharon, the British media rates poorly for fair coverage, balanced debate by European standards.

On top of this, far-right Zionist groups such as 'Media Watch International' and other powerful US-Jewish lobby groups, have been shutting down the PCs of journalists critical of Israel by bombarding them with thousands of emails.

So, from a UK journalist's point of view - whatever their political bias - it is almost impossible to write a fair, balanced story about Israel or 'Palestine' (even THAT name is taboo in the British media) without running the risk of being branded "anti-semetic" + losing their job. Add to this pressure from powerful+untouchable media owners, editors, the Israeli embassy, British Jewish organisations and now e-terrorism to drop, re-word or revise media reports+you have pretty blatant censorship. So much for the so called "free press".

At least one journalist, Pilger, has the guts to speak out.
 
 
illmatic
14:38 / 26.09.02
A passing comment as I don't have the time or energy to debate all the issues raised by reading the Guardian letters page. One point of criticism stuck me as accurate - if I recall correctly, he did not mention the 1967 war as an aggressive attack by Arab armies. Can anyone set me right on my history? Was this an aggressive attack by the Arab states in an attempt to destroy Israel? If this is the case, does this somehow justify the continued Israeli presence in the occupied terriory?
 
 
GreenMann
09:56 / 27.09.02
Mr Illmatic – in answer to your 1st question - yes, in 1967 Arab countries did aggressively attack Israel in an attempt to reclaim it for the Palestinians+ (to quote a notorious phrase) “push the Israelis into the [Mediterranean] sea”.

However, historical context is crucial to understanding this sorry saga so please bear with me while I wade through some history. 20 years before the 1967 war (1948), on an understandable wave of pro-Jewish sympathy following the Holocust, large chunks of Palestine (under British administration after WWI) were given to Jewish refugees from Europe.

Palestinians, not surprisingly, still call the taking of their country “The Catastrophy”. There followed a mass-exodus of Palestinians from what is now known as Israel. Palestinians say they had to flee for their lives after ongoing massacres by the Israeli army (approx. 1m Palestinians sought asylum in neighbouring Arab countries). The Israelis claim that most Palestinians voluntarily left their homes.

By 1967 the Israelis had invaded+occupied the majority of Palestine, apart from the West Bank+Gaza. The Arab countries of the 1960s were far more radical +supportive of the Palestinians than they are now (some had new quasi-socialistic/nationalist regimes with strong ties to the Soviet Union). So, in 1967, on behalf of their Palestinian cousins, an Arab coalition invaded Israel to reclaim Palestine but failed dismally. The Israelis, armed to the teeth with US-weaponry+intelligence, gave the invading Arab armies a bloody nose from which they have never really recovered.

The Israelis took advantage of this+ have occupied West Bank, Gaza+Golan Heights to this day, since becoming the willing US-backed rotweiler of the region … but times have moved on+now the vast majority of Palestinian groups+Arab states (all I think) now recognise Israel’s right to exist, even the most anti-Israeli states of Iran, Libya+Syria want a Palestinian-Israeli political settlement for both states. So far so good (or bad, depending on your point of view!) … but this is where it gets a bit complicated. To answer your second question Mr Illmatic, does the 1967 aggressive invasion by Arab states justify continued Israeli occupation? In my opinion NO - because the context and circumstances of the middle east+Israeli policy have changed entirely.

Since 1967 Israeli government policy - while overtly pursuing a ‘peace process’ mainly for international PR purposes - has also backed the physical colonisation of the rest of Palestine. A large network of generously-funded Israeli settlements have been expanding on a daily basis throughout the West Bank+Gaza during the last 20 years, particularly under Sharon. Palestinians are daily evicted/bombed out of their homes at any opportunity by the Israeli army. A deliberate Israeli policy of wiping out of the Palestinian economy, its culture, its physical infrastructure is rapidly becoming a new genocide.

As a justification up for this territorial expansion, the Israeli government puts up a mixture of historical air-brushing+claims that a Greater Israel is justified on the basis of biblical stories+Zionist ideology. Uncomfortable details like the fact that Palestinians have been the majority community (although the Jews were certainly a minority ethnic minority) since the 7th century are conveniently overlooked. It is a bit like Celts ‘returning’ to Essex to colonise+expel those imposter Angles+Saxons ‘back’ to Germany where they belong, so crazy is the far right Zionist argument.
 
  
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