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Warewullf
19:29 / 23.09.02
*sigh*
This day, last year, I became unemployed. It's not much fun. People don't seem to want me to work for them. And I have so much to offer!

My mom says I'm cool!

So, any other Barbelithers among the long-term unemployed/unemployable?
 
 
remorse
20:32 / 23.09.02
For quite a while I was in your situation. It wasn't that I was lazy by any means. I just could not find a job that I enjoyed or had any ambition to get out of bed for. In the ten years I have been 'eligible' to work, I have had more jobs than I have fingers and toes, much more. Some places I would work only until the first break of the day, on the first day, then leave. Some nasty work out there that I'm sure people in other places would gladly do for half the wage offered. But I couldn't deal with it. What really sucked was watching all my friends who had jobs, go to do fun things that involved spending cash. I either stayed home or sold something (comics and cards etc.) for spending money.

So, I have been in your situation my friend. My only suggestion is to maybe make a list of the things you enjoy doing. Do you like to work outside or inside? Is the food and resturaunt industry your kind of thing? Maybe the arts and entertainment scene. Also I'm not sure where you are located, but delivery drivers where I live make decent money delivering, be it food or parcels.

And of course, there is always scooling for your main interests.

My best wishes for your best efforts.
 
 
Trijhaos
21:16 / 23.09.02
A topic near and dear to my heart.

So last July, I started filling out applications everywhere. Kroger, Wal-mart, Target, the list goes on and on. This past July, I finally got an interview. Woo-hoo! Right? No. I bombed. I didn't get the job. No problem. I'll continue applying for jobs. Somewhere along the line I filled out an application at Jack-in-the-Box and got a call to come in for an interview maybe two weeks ago. Woo-hoo? Nope. I didn't get it because somebody with "fast food experience" was preferable. A week ago, I filled out an application at a place that provides tech support for computers. Ok, so here's a question for you. Would you rather hire a computer science major who knows about computers but has no "telemarketing" experience or someone who doesn't know jackshit about computers but sold Avon over the phone for 2 years? Right. You hire the idiot bimbo who sold make-up to frumpy housewives.

Now here's the thing. I'm not lazy. I'm willing to work. I will do the dirtiest, most disgusting thing you can come up with. All you have to do is pay me. Unfortunately, on most job applications, there's no "Are you willing to clean our vomit and shit encrusted toilets" box to check.

My major stumbling block it seems is lack of work experience. I'm not sure what's appropriate to put on an application. When I was a senior in high school and in 8th grade, I worked in the school library. Appropriate? I don't know and to tell the truth I don't give a damn. I worked, thus it's work experience. Then we get to the other work I did. For a period of a month and a half, I worked for a now out of business computer shop helping wire a school building for network, telephone, and intercom capability. Is this appropriate to put down as work experience? I don't know. I was never officially hired. It was one of those, "Hey! You wanna make some extra money?" deals. Well of course I did. I was 14 and had a number of plans for my $100 (Yes, I realize I was horribly exploited) If an employer were to call the number I put down, they'd get either a message saying the number is out of service or "Comic Connection. Ivan speaking. May I help you?"

I'm starting to think I just don't look employable. I go in, ask for an application, and I get some strange looks, like, " You want to work here? You're kidding right?". I guess I'm not respectable-looking. Am I expected to shave my beard off and dress in a suit just to fill out an application so that these people will take me seriously?

Of course, there's the whole college thing. I go to school from around 8 until 2. I can't exactly work a full-time 9 to 5 job and that's what most people are hiring. I need a job that will allow me to work from somewhere like 2 to 11 or so. Which means fast food, retail, or something of the sort with shifts. Unfortunately, we get into the whole, "lack of experience with cash registers". Look, you use computers, I've grown up around computers, I can build computers in my sleep, I think I can figure out which buttons to press to make the little cash drawer pop out.

I have the abilities, skills, and can work the hours you need worked. Who the fuck cares that I don't have any of your "real work experience". I will be more reliable than those other assholes you hired before me. I won't call in sick unless I'm puking my guts up and bleeding from my eyes, and if you need someone to work overtime, give me a call. I won't bitch about it.
 
 
videodrome
22:00 / 23.09.02
re: work experience

Trijhaos, has no one ever told you that you're really just supposed to lie about shit like this? Do you have a friend or two with a cel that can be an 'old manager' or something? Christ, most of the jobs I've ever had came as a result of lying on applications and resumes. You obviously have the confidence and tenacity to do any of these gigs you're applying for. Make some shit up. If it blows up in your face, it's not like they were gonna give you the job anyway...
 
 
remorse
23:30 / 23.09.02
Trijhaos: Am I expected to shave my beard off and dress in a suit just to fill out an application so that these people will take me seriously?

That is a great way of going about it, yes. Although, there was a person who told me that you should wear to the interview what you would wear everyday to work. Yes, that can be tough if you have multiple interviews, and if you never have been in the place before, or if the facility has uniforms etc. That is why a general suit and tie or even a nice button up shirt with slacks shows initiative to look nice, if even for the first interview. Being clean shaven has also been on my list before interviews. Some places you can grow the long whiskers back over time, if they confront you...'Wha! How'd that get there' and start over. I jest.

Also, videodrome has a point. My girlfriend does resumes for all of our friends and there is defintley some sweetening up for all of them. Probably seventy percent of the jobs I've had never check references. Either blatantly lie or at least shine it up a little. You are pretty much selling yourself to the company. Tri, I would definitley put that wiring and networking job on an application. I still put my first 'real' job on them, and that was twelve years ago. Especially if the work is pertainant to what you are applying for.

Wullf, another suggetion. If you had any great experiences at a job or if you recieved recognition and positive feedback from bosses or managers, use those references first and formost. I have even used teachers from high school as references (the ones that liked me, not the ones who thought me a pest). Just make sure you tell them in advance.
 
 
the Fool
03:00 / 24.09.02
Mr Wulf, maybe barbelithmagicpeople can help ease the path to employment?

What do you want to do? We'll see if we can't throw some good fortune your way...
 
 
Monkeyzilla Vs Tokyo
03:44 / 24.09.02
I'm also struggling with unemployment. Should I put down the jobs I got fired from on applications? Or have a gap thats over a year big in my employment history? *twitch*
 
 
Warewullf
19:17 / 24.09.02
Thanks guys.

As for the kind of work I'm looking for, I'm severly limited here. I have psoriasis. On my hands. I'm allergic to everything. I can't go near dirt, dust, chemicals of any kind (including ordinary cleaning stuff) ordinary soap and just about anything else you can think off. If it flares up, my fingers and hands become extremly sore and obviously, limits me as to what I can do. Stress also effects me.

So, I need a stress free job where I don't have to actually touch anything. Hrmph.

But anyway, I'm looking for web development work cos it's something I'm halfway interested in and have done before. I'd sooner cut off my own ears than work in a callcentre again. I'm not lazy. Really. I am fully prepared to work. It's just impossible to find anything. I haven't even had an interview in a year.

I'd love something "Occulty" but that ain't likely. I'd also like something arty, if possible. I create 3D artwork (GQ Gallery) but aren't likely to get paid for it...although it is very helpful for creating webpages.


Cheers for the offer of magicky help Fool, if you get a chance, I'd appreciate anything you could do. I've tried sigils and other things but I'm too close to it. Lust of result is definitely an issue!
 
 
w1rebaby
19:33 / 24.09.02
Unless you've got track experience, a great portfolio or the magick works incredibly well, you won't get anything in web design or computer art. I mean, check the ads but I don't think it's going to happen. You could try to join some company in another role so that you could switch jobs, I suppose, but it takes time and it's not guaranteed. Best thing is to build up a portfolio and a track record independently, and for that you need time, money and thus job. I guess you know all this.

Hmm. Low stress, no exposure to funny chemicals. Whereabouts do you live... big city? What I'm thinking is some sort of clerical job that you don't have to think about too much and can leave behind when you go home, ready to come back and create shit.
 
 
Trijhaos
00:48 / 25.09.02
Lovely. Simply lovely. "Lie about your employment experience". I'd love to, but for some reason I'd feel bad about it. I think it has something to do with these damned "morals" and "values". Stupid things are always getting in the way.

There's also the fact that I don't really know anybody who'd be willing to back up my little "spins on reality".

I suppose I'll continue firing off applications until eventually I come across an employer nice enough to give me a chance.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
01:36 / 25.09.02
Trij: I wouldn't get too bitchy at vid; he's really just trying to help, albeit in perhaps somewhat blunt terms. Rephrase it as "embellish", if you like. Everyone does it with their CVs: a lowly officeboy becomes an editorial flow co-ordinator, or some such. It's got nothing to do with morals, and everything to do with a) losing any sense of shame and trading it in for self-promotion and b) the fact that if you don't sell yourself, or make yourself sound more flash than any other applicant, you probably won't get past the starting post.

And c) everyone else is doing it.

Seriously. Rewording can work wonders. I never knew I was such a damn rocket-scientist until a friend helped me out with my CV. Hell, I'd even employ me now.
 
 
the Fool
04:27 / 25.09.02
The barbelith magical employment agency is now open. Our first client is young Mr Wulf seeking a position in webdesign.

It's down here!
 
  
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